2023 V4R info to keep in mind

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SuperDomestique said:
I noticed a slight difference in ergonomics between the previous generation and 22, mainly the tank profile (Unsurprisingly, Andy has trouble feeling things betwixt is legs). The electronics are a bit more refined and you get Full power mode (moot if you tuned your 19). The quick shifter and gear ratios are also more refined. The engine, again, more refined with maybe a bit more durability with the gun-drilled con-rods. But nothing revolutionary all in all. If you swapped your suspension from your 19, I’d spitball that you’d probably get a couple to a few tenths drop in lap time but not full seconds. Bike might be slightly easier to ride at the limit. I’m a mediocre rider at best and feel that my 22 S is not the handful like what’s been said about the 1st or 2nd gen bikes. It’s actually been rather tame and predictable riding at pace and feel comfortable pushing on it.

If you’re making money off a V4R, that’d be the only reason to upgrade imo.
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different shape tank...but same as 22 base.
22 base (with 23 upgrade) on electronics ....same
22 base gear ratios and quick shifter ..........same
22 base more power and useable power.......;)
40K versus 22k (even if you use another 8k wisely on FGRT even 130mm travel, and ttx to make it 30k plus you could probably include in that upgrade the SAP to adjustable)


but I do understand its not an R, I get it!
 
cl955 said:
And all the extra power... except it hasn't really :cool:
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I think people give more weight to the power factor than it deserves, its always been the case in motorcycles and probably always will be. Its been said many times that its all about useable power and how its delivered. Pretty much since the K5 all modern sports bikes have more than enough for most applications and accelerate in the first few gears at not too dissimilar rates . The R is a different beast, its a homologation special, a flagship and marketing tool. It says " I am the meanest baddest fastest of them all" and thats what you are buying into. Some people get them and use them as intended, WOT on a track but I am guessing that most of them are sold because of the R sticker. Ducati doesnt care but i am guessing also that they dont make a lot of money on the R so if they can release an updated model that is fundamentally the same all the better.

I thought about the R and ultimately got the S because of the less stressed engine and the DES for street plus my level. If I was fast and racing litrebikes Id get the R, and if the changeover was reasonable even if the models werent too different I'd probably upgrade as I am pretty sure that the newer model has certain improvements that wont show up on the first ride.
 
V4r 2023 Didn't change the behavior of the motorcycle when downshifting? This because of the rotation of the internal of the engine?
 
Paul G said:
I think people give more weight to the power factor than it deserves, its always been the case in motorcycles and probably always will be. Its been said many times that its all about useable power and how its delivered. Pretty much since the K5 all modern sports bikes have more than enough for most applications and accelerate in the first few gears at not too dissimilar rates . The R is a different beast, its a homologation special, a flagship and marketing tool. It says " I am the meanest baddest fastest of them all" and thats what you are buying into. Some people get them and use them as intended, WOT on a track but I am guessing that most of them are sold because of the R sticker. Ducati doesnt care but i am guessing also that they dont make a lot of money on the R so if they can release an updated model that is fundamentally the same all the better.

I thought about the R and ultimately got the S because of the less stressed engine and the DES for street plus my level. If I was fast and racing litrebikes Id get the R, and if the changeover was reasonable even if the models werent too different I'd probably upgrade as I am pretty sure that the newer model has certain improvements that wont show up on the first ride.
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True, but Ducati made a headline out of a power figure that hasn't been seen, even with the most benign view.
Many years ago, I bought an RG500 Suzuki based on the hype of "Grand Prix bike for the road. 80hp, wheelie monster etc." type headlines. It was a pile of crap - terrible handling, rubbish brakes and nowhere near 80hp. I was young and stupid - now I'm old and slightly less stupid.
No V4R for me until the special gearbox arrives (I did say only slightly less stupid lol)
 
roadracerx said:
So......I just rode a 2023 V4R with full Akrapovic exhaust back-to-back-to-back with my 2019 V4R. I have to say I can't tell much difference in the handling, no difference in the tank or the seat and the new bike is runs hotter due to the exhaust running up the side!

My V4R soaks up the bumps better (tweaked stock suspension) but I set it up so....

The quick shifter on the new bike is a tiny bit better and I mean tiny.

The clutch makes WAY less noise and mine has new plates so apples-to-apples here.

The new "fan strategy" just means it comes on sooner.

I felt a small change in the smoothness of the traction control and the dash has a better info-graphic although I am barely looking at it when I ride quickly.

I am having trouble rationalizing the purchase of a new V4R that will cost me the better part of 60K which of course means I sell my V4R, which only has a thousand miles on it for 37K meaning it will cost me around 23K and about 40 hours of my time to prep the new and old bikes.

I am torn.
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I would think you could work wonders with the adjustable swingarm and whatnot on the new V4R…and the gearing is different.

I had one on hold but let it go after they did not release the new gearbox. You sorted my bike well enough that I can’t imagine the R making me any faster or being any funner than how my bike is set up. And Duessan put a tune in mine that gave it more power across the mid rpm range so I don’t think I’d like the rev happy R as much or find it easier to ride fast. I can do all of Chuck in 3rd gear except touching 4th on the straights and stay in a strong enough power band to wheelie it coming off a straight.

Still though when I’m reading your post the 1st thing that came to mind was that it’s not an apples to apples comparison if you didn’t set up the suspension the way you like on the 23 R…seems to me that would make a pretty big difference.

If I buy another bike other than a Supermoto bike I’d get the HP4 Race, but you already have one of those…or maybe a GYTR R6.
 
@Steven31371 The swingarm pivot is delivered in a different position (+1) on the 2023 V4R but the adjustability is exactly the same as the 2019 V4R, which is delivered in -3 position. I have tried all positions on track and the best is neither of these. The gear ratios are apparently different but the gearing, as in final ratio, is the same.
 
roadracerx said:
@Steven31371 The swingarm pivot is delivered in a different position (+1) on the 2023 V4R but the adjustability is exactly the same as the 2019 V4R, which is delivered in -3 position. I have tried all positions on track and the best is neither of these. The gear ratios are apparently different but the gearing, as in final ratio, is the same
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Which is the best position? Thanks
 
roadracerx said:
So......I just rode a 2023 V4R with full Akrapovic exhaust back-to-back-to-back with my 2019 V4R. I have to say I can't tell much difference in the handling, no difference in the tank or the seat and the new bike is runs hotter due to the exhaust running up the side!

My V4R soaks up the bumps better (tweaked stock suspension) but I set it up so....

The quick shifter on the new bike is a tiny bit better and I mean tiny.

The clutch makes WAY less noise and mine has new plates so apples-to-apples here.

The new "fan strategy" just means it comes on sooner.

I felt a small change in the smoothness of the traction control and the dash has a better info-graphic although I am barely looking at it when I ride quickly.

I am having trouble rationalizing the purchase of a new V4R that will cost me the better part of 60K which of course means I sell my V4R, which only has a thousand miles on it for 37K meaning it will cost me around 23K and about 40 hours of my time to prep the new and old bikes.

I am torn.
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was the 23 stock geometry ?
 
roadracerx said:
@Steven31371 The swingarm pivot is delivered in a different position (+1) on the 2023 V4R but the adjustability is exactly the same as the 2019 V4R, which is delivered in -3 position. I have tried all positions on track and the best is neither of these. The gear ratios are apparently different but the gearing, as in final ratio, is the same.
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actually, the gear ratios as in gearbox are the same as the base 22 on..... the final ratio, ie front and rear sprockets are different because the engines are different.

it also seems the best SA position, which is a subjective thing, is the -1........ the fixed position the base 22> is in..
 
Better the devil you know!

But if you didn’t have any doubt then you wouldn’t have concluded your observations with a question.

Personally, as an owner of both a ‘21 SF V4S and a ‘22 Panigale V4 I find that newer (‘22+) bikes more refined electronically which can be rectified with a tune where it matters most.

I would say that the upgrade to the newer bikes is objectively worth $2k… if you find that you have to pay more then it isn’t worth it imo.

There’s always the allure and excitement of getting the newer bike and the V4 has likely reached the pinnacle of its development but if there aren’t any problems with the 2019 then I don’t see any reason to upgrade.

Speaking of problems, I’ve already read about several ‘23 bikes with the water pump failure which in my opinion is due to oil over filling. My point is that the new bikes are only a marginal step forward.
 
andyb said:
actually, the gear ratios as in gearbox are the same as the base 22 on..... the final ratio, ie front and rear sprockets are different because the engines are different.

it also seems the best SA position, which is a subjective thing, is the -1........ the fixed position the base 22> is in..
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I think what he’s saying is that the primary gear ratios are different between 19 and 23 R but final drive remains same at 15/42.
 
SuperDomestique said:
I think what he’s saying is that the primary gear ratios are different between 19 and 23 R but final drive remains same at 15/42.
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yes and im saying the 2023R on gearbox and primary drive is the same as the 22 on base ...just as it was 2019 R and base.


Yes all 2019 models versus all 2022 models are different.
 

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