2023 V4R info to keep in mind

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KarlKani said:
nothing this guy posts on YouTube is worth watching
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He’s a salesman, posting some of the stupidest videos and proud of them, the sheer amount of views he gets proves the dumming down of America.

Having said that, if he gets more people to buy track oriented bikes to ride up and down the PCH at 30 mph with the furry helmets with cat ears on them okay by me, cause that means more R&D dollars going into bike development.
 
So......I just rode a 2023 V4R with full Akrapovic exhaust back-to-back-to-back with my 2019 V4R. I have to say I can't tell much difference in the handling, no difference in the tank or the seat and the new bike is runs hotter due to the exhaust running up the side!

My V4R soaks up the bumps better (tweaked stock suspension) but I set it up so....

The quick shifter on the new bike is a tiny bit better and I mean tiny.

The clutch makes WAY less noise and mine has new plates so apples-to-apples here.

The new "fan strategy" just means it comes on sooner.

I felt a small change in the smoothness of the traction control and the dash has a better info-graphic although I am barely looking at it when I ride quickly.

I am having trouble rationalizing the purchase of a new V4R that will cost me the better part of 60K which of course means I sell my V4R, which only has a thousand miles on it for 37K meaning it will cost me around 23K and about 40 hours of my time to prep the new and old bikes.

I am torn.
 
roadracerx said:
So......I just rode a 2023 V4R with full Akrapovic exhaust back-to-back-to-back with my 2019 V4R. I have to say I can't tell much difference in the handling, no difference in the tank or the seat and the new bike is runs hotter due to the exhaust running up the side!

My V4R soaks up the bumps better (tweaked stock suspension) but I set it up so....

The quick shifter on the new bike is a tiny bit better and I mean tiny.

The clutch makes WAY less noise and mine has new plates so apples-to-apples here.

The new "fan strategy" just means it comes on sooner.

I felt a small change in the smoothness of the traction control and the dash has a better info-graphic although I am barely looking at it when I ride quickly.

I am having trouble rationalizing the purchase of a new V4R that will cost me the better part of 60K which of course means I sell my V4R, which only has a thousand miles on it for 37K meaning it will cost me around 23K and about 40 hours of my time to prep the new and old bikes.

I am torn.
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I think you know the answer. ;)
 
roadracerx said:
So......I just rode a 2023 V4R with full Akrapovic exhaust back-to-back-to-back with my 2019 V4R. I have to say I can't tell much difference in the handling, no difference in the tank or the seat and the new bike is runs hotter due to the exhaust running up the side!

My V4R soaks up the bumps better (tweaked stock suspension) but I set it up so....

The quick shifter on the new bike is a tiny bit better and I mean tiny.

The clutch makes WAY less noise and mine has new plates so apples-to-apples here.

The new "fan strategy" just means it comes on sooner.

I felt a small change in the smoothness of the traction control and the dash has a better info-graphic although I am barely looking at it when I ride quickly.

I am having trouble rationalizing the purchase of a new V4R that will cost me the better part of 60K which of course means I sell my V4R, which only has a thousand miles on it for 37K meaning it will cost me around 23K and about 40 hours of my time to prep the new and old bikes.

I am torn.
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Sounds like keep your 19 R. Was the 23 R customized to you (suspension, gearing, any other customizations similar to your 19 R)?. I'd imagine you might be able to get the 23 R tweaked slightly better than your current set up. But then again it'd take time, effort, and more money to accomplish.
 
roadracerx said:
So......I just rode a 2023 V4R with full Akrapovic exhaust back-to-back-to-back with my 2019 V4R. I have to say I can't tell much difference in the handling, no difference in the tank or the seat and the new bike is runs hotter due to the exhaust running up the side!

My V4R soaks up the bumps better (tweaked stock suspension) but I set it up so....

The quick shifter on the new bike is a tiny bit better and I mean tiny.

The clutch makes WAY less noise and mine has new plates so apples-to-apples here.

The new "fan strategy" just means it comes on sooner.

I felt a small change in the smoothness of the traction control and the dash has a better info-graphic although I am barely looking at it when I ride quickly.

I am having trouble rationalizing the purchase of a new V4R that will cost me the better part of 60K which of course means I sell my V4R, which only has a thousand miles on it for 37K meaning it will cost me around 23K and about 40 hours of my time to prep the new and old bikes.

I am torn.
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Appreciate actual expert insight. 👍
 
roadracerx said:
So......I just rode a 2023 V4R with full Akrapovic exhaust back-to-back-to-back with my 2019 V4R. I have to say I can't tell much difference in the handling, no difference in the tank or the seat and the new bike is runs hotter due to the exhaust running up the side!

My V4R soaks up the bumps better (tweaked stock suspension) but I set it up so....

The quick shifter on the new bike is a tiny bit better and I mean tiny.

The clutch makes WAY less noise and mine has new plates so apples-to-apples here.

The new "fan strategy" just means it comes on sooner.

I felt a small change in the smoothness of the traction control and the dash has a better info-graphic although I am barely looking at it when I ride quickly.

I am having trouble rationalizing the purchase of a new V4R that will cost me the better part of 60K which of course means I sell my V4R, which only has a thousand miles on it for 37K meaning it will cost me around 23K and about 40 hours of my time to prep the new and old bikes.

I am torn.
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Finally. Honesty without over the top gushing.
 
SuperDomestique said:
Was the 23 R customized to you (suspension, gearing, any other customizations similar to your 19 R)?. I'd imagine you might be able to get the 23 R tweaked slightly better than your current set up. But then again it'd take time, effort, and more money to accomplish.
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Why and what do you imagine?
What couldn't be improved with time, effort and money?

but thanks anyway..
 
roadracerx said:
So......I just rode a 2023 V4R with full Akrapovic exhaust back-to-back-to-back with my 2019 V4R. I have to say I can't tell much difference in the handling, no difference in the tank or the seat and the new bike is runs hotter due to the exhaust running up the side!

My V4R soaks up the bumps better (tweaked stock suspension) but I set it up so....

The quick shifter on the new bike is a tiny bit better and I mean tiny.

The clutch makes WAY less noise and mine has new plates so apples-to-apples here.

The new "fan strategy" just means it comes on sooner.

I felt a small change in the smoothness of the traction control and the dash has a better info-graphic although I am barely looking at it when I ride quickly.

I am having trouble rationalizing the purchase of a new V4R that will cost me the better part of 60K which of course means I sell my V4R, which only has a thousand miles on it for 37K meaning it will cost me around 23K and about 40 hours of my time to prep the new and old bikes.

I am torn.
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Well, it's basically the same bike, with a few different settings 🤷‍♂️
 
Sounds like there is no real reason to upgrade unless there is a special reason you want a new bike for the next thousand miles. Its hard to imagine what the next major model change could be that would make it worth it on merit.
 
Paul G said:
Sounds like there is no real reason to upgrade unless there is a special reason you want a new bike for the next thousand miles. Its hard to imagine what the next major model change could be that would make it worth it on merit.
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Pretty pleased I cancelled my order. Very happy with my 2020 V4 base with some good bits on it (incl an adjustable SAP). Would have been massive buyer's remorse - something I have experienced extensively with cars (Porsches)
 
andyb said:
Why and what do you imagine?
What couldn't be improved with time, effort and money?

but thanks anyway..
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I noticed a slight difference in ergonomics between the previous generation and 22, mainly the tank profile (Unsurprisingly, Andy has trouble feeling things betwixt is legs). The electronics are a bit more refined and you get Full power mode (moot if you tuned your 19). The quick shifter and gear ratios are also more refined. The engine, again, more refined with maybe a bit more durability with the gun-drilled con-rods. But nothing revolutionary all in all. If you swapped your suspension from your 19, I’d spitball that you’d probably get a couple to a few tenths drop in lap time but not full seconds. Bike might be slightly easier to ride at the limit. I’m a mediocre rider at best and feel that my 22 S is not the handful like what’s been said about the 1st or 2nd gen bikes. It’s actually been rather tame and predictable riding at pace and feel comfortable pushing on it.

If you’re making money off a V4R, that’d be the only reason to upgrade imo.
 

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