Thanks! I was just worried if the engine is running too rich or lean. Maybe it sense more air so it adds more gas to offset the lean condition..
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Thanks! I was just worried if the engine is running too rich or lean. Maybe it sense more air so it adds more gas to offset the lean condition..
Wow that is a great result from just a filter change. Getting rid of the "rpm dip" and the bike "pulling harder", "3rd gear whatever"
Sounds like lots of people wasted a lot of money with TB, RB, custom dyno tuning, fancy exhaust systems.......and all we had to do was get one of these filters.
You learn something new everyday.
If the paper filter is so great. Why didn't they keep using it in the SL or 2015 R?
Look this is what I felt after I did the change. And like I said the lift is more likely from the swing arm change.
Just go buy the filter and try it out yourself.
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I have the MWR SBK filter.
Thats too bad your filter doesn't actually improve anything over the stock paper filter. Now I see where you are coming from.
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I got a P08 filter at 2nd service, and I could also notice a difference. Not anything extreme, but feels more smooth and as rcube wrote, it's more prone to 3rd gear wheelies if I push hard.
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100%. When I fitted that filter, I felt no difference. Some people however cannot accept that they spent money on something and cannot feel anything different. Perhaps a placebo effect, so they then make exaggerated claims that there is some miraculous improvement in performance. I think its all frogshit. Unless you have before and after dyno charts then its all subjective opinion and wishful thinking.
Feeling good about a purchase is not an issue. However making reports which are not factual may lead other people to spend money and if they do not feel the same result then they are disappointed. It's a risk we take here on the forum when you decide to modify your bike based on the advice of others.
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It seems like you are using MWR to judge the sprint filter, which is incorrect. Unless you have have tried it, you are talking out of your ass.
And I have no issue saying an air filter didn't do .... for me(it is less than $100 for god sakes...not like I spent a few thousand haha). I would want others to know if that was the case to stop people from using it. This filter did produce some changes. Obviously not night and day. But it is definitely noticeable.
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do you have a dyno of your bike with a MWR and again with the Sprint filter? I ask because I want to see some real life data on this Sprint filter before i drop 350 on it... or are we all just 'feeling' this difference with no real data to prove or disprove it? I jumped on the MWR bandwagon and i did a dyno, however, i also did a rapid bike and a few other upgrades at the time so i didnt get to see a filter change result.
This is the same question i posed earlier in this thread and still no one has shown a dyno of their bike with one vs the other. I would just like to see it prior to taking the plunge
I am comparing stock paper filter with sprint filter. I never tried MWR.
Well if you actually read the reviews for MWR. Which I did...I don't think there is a single person who said they felt any difference with it installed. Now if you search for sprint filter, people actually reported feeling something. Nothing crazy, but there is a change in throttle and sound. Thats one of the reasons why I decided to give it a try. The other reason I think you guys are forgetting is the SL and 2015 R use p08 stock. And now I am reporting back what I am seeing.
Obviously I don't have any real data to back it up. Then again for $100...I don't think I give a .... or care enough to put it on a dyno twice just to show you guys or myself.
Also I have no idea where you are getting the $350 from. Unless you are buying the p16. Then even if I did a dyno for p08...it wouldn't be valid for p16.
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I am comparing stock paper filter with sprint filter. I never tried MWR.
Well if you actually read the reviews for MWR. Which I did...I don't think there is a single person who said they felt any difference with it installed. Now if you search for sprint filter, people actually reported feeling something. Nothing crazy, but there is a change in throttle and sound. Thats one of the reasons why I decided to give it a try. The other reason I think you guys are forgetting is the SL and 2015 R use p08 stock. And now I am reporting back what I am seeing.
Obviously I don't have any real data to back it up. Then again for $100...I don't think I give a .... or care enough to put it on a dyno twice just to show you guys or myself.
You havent been a forum member long enough to not see the MWR bandwagon jump thats for sure. you can do a search and see and hear plenty of people say they felt from their certified 'ass dyno' and heard from their calibrated ears, that the MWR filter was great! and we all took that at face value and we went and got the filter. And you can see dyno results people posted on it... a few HP gains in some cases, but we all wanted smoother throttle and better air/fuel mix... then you hear that the stock paper is better etc etc etc.
I do know that the SL and the R come with the P08 and well, just because an OEM does it, doesnt mean its the best (if that is what your logic is).
And yes, i would want the P016, however, if there is anything that shows gains in the P08 over the MWR, that i would take it at face value and be able to make an educated hypothesis on the P016 at that time.
Just looking for more than hear-say at this point as i fell into that prior lol .
i'm sorry but i just can't see how anyone is going to notice any difference in changing out a filter.
the possible 1-2hp just would not register with me and quite frankly i don't need it,it's so hard to get all the power down on the tracks here.
for what it's worth my last bike 2013 R i changed to the MWR filter and didn't notice one tiny piece of difference.
the possible 1-2hp just would not register with me and quite frankly i don't need it,it's so hard to get all the power down on the tracks here.
for what it's worth my last bike 2013 R i changed to the MWR filter and didn't notice one tiny piece of difference.
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You must be right I am just taking out of my ass. I had better watch out or ARSEHAMMER will hear me. Then I really will be in trouble.
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Got my Sprint filter in this weekend. Here is a list of what I noticed after installation. Please keep in mind this list accounts for the full DP Akra exhaust and Upmap as well as give or take a year of 15 years AMA and WERA road racing.
1. Damn Ducati did you really need to make changing the air filter such a PITA?
2. Lot of light shines through the Sprint vs the OEM filter. Use scientific test of super high power light. 100,000,000,000 Lumens. (The SUN).
3. Performance difference. By seat of the pants Zero. I am sure there was a gain. It says so right on the box.
My take away I now have a nice filter that I can clean and put back on the bike. And not worry about oiling the filter.
1. Damn Ducati did you really need to make changing the air filter such a PITA?
2. Lot of light shines through the Sprint vs the OEM filter. Use scientific test of super high power light. 100,000,000,000 Lumens. (The SUN).
3. Performance difference. By seat of the pants Zero. I am sure there was a gain. It says so right on the box.
My take away I now have a nice filter that I can clean and put back on the bike. And not worry about oiling the filter.
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You must have fitted it wrong. You should notice the dip in the torque curve gone and the front wheel should be lifting up in 3rd gear with big power wheelies.
Just kidding. I got the same result fitting my "MWR World Superbike Filter".
Although I did not feel anything different, I am sure it is flowing more air (and dirt) than the OEM.
Prior to fitting a bunch of stuff I wanted to actually objectively test what the result would be.
I took my bike to a dyno. Wayne "Tuneboy" McDonal did a base run. Bike completely stock.
I then fitted a full Akra Evo system, the above filter (MWR) and took it back. Wayne then did a custom TB tune. Net result was that I gained 8.1 hp. The real difference though was in torque increase from 3500 to 5000 rpm.
So when I got back on the bike I could actually feel a difference. I posted all this before about this time last year.
The main point though is that I was not feeling an extra 8 hp at 10500 rpm. I rarely have the bike at that rpm on the road. On the track yes. Road no.
It was the extra response I felt down in the lower range 3000 to 5000rpm where I really noticed it. And that was clearly the increase in Nm across that range. My 2 cents.
And you are right, changing that filter is a PITA when you are by yourself.
The test might be conducted objectively...but your test is wrong. You had full system + air filter installed at the same time. An accurate test would be you doing 3 dyno runs:
1. base
2. full system
3. full system + air filter
I never claimed it is a big power gain or faster. We all know it is max 1-2hp at high rpm if anything. I don't know why anybody would expect a big gain from air filter. All I said was the throttle feels different and sounds louder at high rpm (which is all I really wanted). And stop taking what I said out of context. I said it is easier to get 3rd gear lift now(I think panigale can get 3rd gear lift just fine stock) ...but I actually think it is related to my swing arm change than the air filter. And I didn't get the dip when accelerating from low rpm. Maybe it is the way I was riding? This is just what I felt in a few days...not an objective test by any means.
My issue is you coming in here acting like you know about an air filter you have never used based on your "test" on MWR filter. Which is also wrong because you have no idea what the air filter actually did since you had full system + filter installed/tested at the same time.
If you actually used the sprint filter and find it makes no difference, I have no problem with that. And I believe what Blade Runner said...because he actually tried it.
You had full system + air filter installed at the same time. An accurate test would be you doing 3 dyno runs: 1. base
2. full system
3. full system + air filter
I never claimed it is a big power gain or faster. We all know it is max 1-2hp at high rpm if anything. I don't know why anybody would expect a big gain from air filter. All I said was the throttle feels different and sounds louder at high rpm (which is all I really wanted). And stop taking what I said out of context. I said it is easier to get 3rd gear lift now(I think panigale can get 3rd gear lift just fine stock) ...but I actually think it is related to my swing arm change than the air filter. And I didn't get the dip when accelerating from low rpm. Maybe it is the way I was riding? This is just what I felt in a few days...not an objective test by any means.
My issue is you coming in here acting like you know about an air filter you have never used based on your "test" on MWR filter. Which is also wrong because you have no idea what the air filter actually did since you had full system + filter installed/tested at the same time.
If you actually used the sprint filter and find it makes no difference, I have no problem with that. And I believe what Blade Runner said...because he actually tried it.
it's just common sense an air filter change aint goin to do sh*t on this bike.
the only way you would notice it is if your origional filter was blocked with debris or seriously dirty otherwise i can't see how people are noticing any type of change.
My 2cents worth
the only way you would notice it is if your origional filter was blocked with debris or seriously dirty otherwise i can't see how people are noticing any type of change.
My 2cents worth
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The test might be conducted objectively...but your test is wrong.
1. base
2. full system
3. full system + air filter
I never claimed it is a big power gain or faster. We all know it is max 1-2hp at high rpm if anything. I don't know why anybody would expect a big gain from air filter. All I said was the throttle feels different and sounds louder at high rpm (which is all I really wanted). And stop taking what I said out of context. I said it is easier to get 3rd gear lift now(I think panigale can get 3rd gear lift just fine stock) ...but I actually think it is related to my swing arm change than the air filter. And I didn't get the dip when accelerating from low rpm. Maybe it is the way I was riding? This is just what I felt in a few days...not an objective test by any means.
My issue is you coming in here acting like you know about an air filter you have never used based on your "test" on MWR filter. Which is also wrong because you have no idea what the air filter actually did since you had full system + filter installed/tested at the same time.
If you actually used the sprint filter and find it makes no difference, I have no problem with that. And I believe what Blade Runner said...because he actually tried it.
My point is that any air filter change alone will not be noticeable. I think your claims from your original post are rubbish.
My post above was to say that you need a larger increase than 1 or 2 hp before you can actually feel a change. I did not specifically set out to test the air filter.
Here is the bit in your original post.
Just got the 2015 R filter(P08) installed. Bike pulls harder and the rpm dip is gone.
This is where I think the exuberance of your purchase left you prone to exaggeration. As Chaotic says a few posts above your original, I do not think you would feel anything with just the filter change. Only a change in the map via access to the ECU is going to change the "rpm dip". And I am sure you were actually referring to the dip in the torque curve.
Anyway happy to bow out of this one now.
You win.
My point is that any air filter change alone will not be noticeable. I think your claims from your original post are rubbish.
My post above was to say that you need a larger increase than 1 or 2 hp before you can actually feel a change. I did not specifically set out to test the air filter.
Here is the bit in your original post.
Just got the 2015 R filter(P08) installed. Bike pulls harder and the rpm dip is gone.
This is where I think the exuberance of your purchase left you prone to exaggeration. As Chaotic says a few posts above your original, I do not think you would feel anything with just the filter change. Only a change in the map via access to the ECU is going to change the "rpm dip". And I am sure you were actually referring to the dip in the torque curve.
Anyway happy to bow out of this one now.
You win.
My point is you don't know. You have no real data to back up your claim either. Do a back to back dyno with the said air filter then you have some data.
Yes it does seem to pull harder. But does it mean faster? No. So maybe thats the wrong word to describe it.
According to termignoni...with their front exist slip-on exhaust...it is possible to remove the dip without touching the ECU. They have a dyno to show this. Unless that is with a map, then I stand corrected.
I believe you don't feel anything from just an air filter if thats what you say. But you did two things at once, so even if the air filter did something...how would you know? And if you are such an expert at air filter not doing anything...why did you even bother with one?
If I can get around to it. I will do a dyno this summer to see if there is any dip and report back.
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Damn, that is one badass filter.
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