Akrapovic Exhaust on a Panigale

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Duck41 said:
Yes, the primary issue here seems to reside with the ECU up-map. Based on manufacturer reputation alone, there is very little reason to assume the Akra exhaust would have any negative effects on the mechanical functioning of the bike - particularly to the point of a malfunction, but the overarching concern here is that if some other seemingly unrelated issue arose, it could theoretically give Ducati grounds to deny a warranty claim on the basis that the possibility of the exhaust or ECU up-map playing a contributing role in the malfunction cannot be eliminated.
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you're a lawyer or something??? ;);)
 
I agree with Ronin that it may not damage the engine but on the flip side I understand why it may void the Ducati's warranty. Ducati basically warranty the performance of the bike. As we all know changing the diameter of the of the header changes the torque either higher in rpm's (larger diameter) or lower' rpm's (smaller diameter) or the change in length which causes a change in the torque's curve longer primaries provide more torque below the peak and reduce it past the peak. Shorter primaries provide more torque above the peak at the expense of below-peak torque. Imagine every complaint Ducati would possibly get from people (who ride on the streets) because most people would like to get that fat header like the WSBK or SSTK headers only to find out that it runs like crap on the streets no low or mid range, Fueling sucks, etc. Ducati dealers has a set of test parameter with their stock headers, slip on's and Full Termi that they have chosen. They possibly couldn't know what performance parameters each and every single aftermarket exhaust would give when they work on your bike so they just limit it for warranty repair. It makes good business sense to do so.
 
reganc said:
but what if you don't go with the termi upmap as i'm not sure if you can buy separately
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Youc can buy seperatly key.Sure you can buy what if you lsot yours then you could never unlock a bike it can be bought.
 
Phil said:
you can damage a motor by having an exhaust that is too lean, though i doubt that AKRA or any exhaust maker would make that mistake.

even some DIY garage modding guys who core their stock exhaust go check it on a dyno afterwards.


i don't get the whole AKRA vs. TERMI thing??? where did that come from in the first palce and where is Rich when we finally need him ;)
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Welll i explained that akra is not some home made exhaust.They arte no.1 in the world for a reason and makin that kind of mistake would be just lol for a factory that big
 
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Duck41 said:
Yes, the primary issue here seems to reside with the ECU up-map. Based on manufacturer reputation alone, there is very little reason to assume the Akra exhaust would have any negative effects on the mechanical functioning of the bike - particularly to the point of a malfunction, but the overarching concern here is that if some other seemingly unrelated issue arose, it could theoretically give Ducati grounds to deny a warranty claim on the basis that the possibility of the exhaust or ECU up-map playing a contributing role in the malfunction cannot be eliminated.
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Now DUCK has got a point like i already said and wrote they could void warranty and say its due to akra even tho it is not.

But if you got a norma ldealer that has brain cells,he would jus put it into warranty and its pretty much it without much explanation to ducati,plus how would ducati know anyway
 
ScrapperX said:
I agree with Ronin that it may not damage the engine but on the flip side I understand why it may void the Ducati's warranty. Ducati basically warranty the performance of the bike. As we all know changing the diameter of the of the header changes the torque either higher in rpm's (larger diameter) or lower' rpm's (smaller diameter) or the change in length which causes a change in the torque's curve longer primaries provide more torque below the peak and reduce it past the peak. Shorter primaries provide more torque above the peak at the expense of below-peak torque. Imagine every complaint Ducati would possibly get from people (who ride on the streets) because most people would like to get that fat header like the WSBK or SSTK headers only to find out that it runs like crap on the streets no low or mid range, Fueling sucks, etc. Ducati dealers has a set of test parameter with their stock headers, slip on's and Full Termi that they have chosen. They possibly couldn't know what performance parameters each and every single aftermarket exhaust would give when they work on your bike so they just limit it for warranty repair. It makes good business sense to do so.
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yes but we are talkin akra not some exhaust.the same akra they put on their damm project 1201 i mean cmmon you put that exhaust on your prime best bike ever built,seriously would anyone do it if akra was not the best,they know akra is akra it is just they got partnership with termi,i think that is biggest problem.And termi know akra jus owns them so hard.


Let see rumours about ducati and akra since ducati is audi and audi and akra go along jus fine.

I guess then it will void warrant not having akra on the bike LOOOOL
 
ScrapperX said:
I agree with Ronin that it may not damage the engine but on the flip side I understand why it may void the Ducati's warranty. Ducati basically warranty the performance of the bike. As we all know changing the diameter of the of the header changes the torque either higher in rpm's (larger diameter) or lower' rpm's (smaller diameter) or the change in length which causes a change in the torque's curve longer primaries provide more torque below the peak and reduce it past the peak. Shorter primaries provide more torque above the peak at the expense of below-peak torque. Imagine every complaint Ducati would possibly get from people (who ride on the streets) because most people would like to get that fat header like the WSBK or SSTK headers only to find out that it runs like crap on the streets no low or mid range, Fueling sucks, etc. Ducati dealers has a set of test parameter with their stock headers, slip on's and Full Termi that they have chosen. They possibly couldn't know what performance parameters each and every single aftermarket exhaust would give when they work on your bike so they just limit it for warranty repair. It makes good business sense to do so.
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Oh gotta add something they had original and termi from my friend which they teared apart after they tested it all,and they made compliant to those thing tested numerous times,driven thousand of km.They did every inch of a research and all,if i was not there i would not know all this and would not be writing it.Not to mention how factory looks like,one look from inside you guys would be WTF is this nasa or wtf is this
 
Ronin said:
yes but we are talkin akra not some exhaust.the same akra they put on their damm project 1201 i mean cmmon you put that exhaust on your prime best bike ever built,seriously would anyone do it if akra was not the best,they know akra is akra it is just they got partnership with termi,i think that is biggest problem.And termi know akra jus owns them so hard.


Let see rumours about ducati and akra since ducati is audi and audi and akra go along jus fine.

I guess then it will void warrant not having akra on the bike LOOOOL
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Don't get me wrong Akra is a damn good exhaust, I rode with a guy on this forum that has one last Sunday and the thing is beautiful, sounds bad ass and well constructed but he told me that there is positives and negatives in the fueling/RPM but he can live with. But Ducati's warranty cannot include some companies but not others it will cost them too much money in testing or open themselves to law suits. I'm sure the new bikes with Akra will be well tested and money we'll spent.
 
ScrapperX said:
Don't get me wrong Akra is a damn good exhaust, I rode with a guy on this forum that has one last Sunday and the thing is beautiful, sounds bad ass and well constructed but he told me that there is positives and negatives in the fueling/RPM but he can live with. But Ducati's warranty cannot include some companies but not others it will cost them too much money in testing or open themselves to law suits. I'm sure the new bikes with Akra will be well tested and money we'll spent.
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First service,UP-MAP,oil change reset ecu and that fueling/rpm is gone.At least few of my friends had termi and one akra all went away after first service
 
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ScrapperX said:
Don't get me wrong Akra is a damn good exhaust, I rode with a guy on this forum that has one last Sunday and the thing is beautiful, sounds bad ass and well constructed but he told me that there is positives and negatives in the fueling/RPM but he can live with. But Ducati's warranty cannot include some companies but not others it will cost them too much money in testing or open themselves to law suits. I'm sure the new bikes with Akra will be well tested and money we'll spent.
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On the positives, the sound has been raved about for sure and people seem to vote hands down for an Akra over a Termi and maybe performance is probably better too.. Can you elaborate on the negatives to be specific?
 
desmodromic system said:
is it safe to say that the exhaust that comes with the superlegera is akrapovic? why did they ditch the termi's for this awesome exhaust?
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Most of the other "up grades" are weight related. Superleggera in Italian means "superlight" so I'd say that the weight is most likely the reason. (just an educated guess)
 
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acowsik said:
On the positives, the sound has been raved about for sure and people seem to vote hands down for an Akra over a Termi and maybe performance is probably better too.. Can you elaborate on the negatives to be specific?
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I don't want to speak for him but he said there is a dead spot at 4K but the rest of the range it's a beast he kept the 39T. I'm sure that will go away if he went to the 41t. I feel the full Termi comes alive in the upper ranges due the the bigger header and the 41T helped in the lower to mid some.
 
ScrapperX said:
I don't want to speak for him but he said there is a dead spot at 4K but the rest of the range it's a beast he kept the 39T. I'm sure that will go away if he went to the 41t. I feel the full Termi comes alive in the upper ranges due the the bigger header and the 41T helped in the lower to mid some.
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Looks like the 39T sprocket was his issue at the lower end and not the exhaust..
 
acowsik said:
Looks like the 39T sprocket was his issue at the lower end and not the exhaust..
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I don't know for sure but it sounds like it, and I think he really doesn't care since he doesn't ride in that range anyways. He is a pretty good rider and is very happy with the Akra. I do know the AKRA is hands down better sounding than the Termi. Performance not so sure because it really depends on how you ride and where you ride. Every Dyno Chart I've seen from the Akra vs Termi is compared with the old Termi up map which sucked and the latest upmap it way better. If I compared my dyno chart with the new Termi up vs the Akra I'll take mine anyway.
 
ScrapperX said:
I don't know for sure but it sounds like it, and I think he really doesn't care since he doesn't ride in that range anyways. He is a pretty good rider and is very happy with the Akra. I do know the AKRA is hands down better sounding than the Termi. Performance not so sure because it really depends on how you ride and where you ride. Every Dyno Chart I've seen from the Akra vs Termi is compared with the old Termi up map which sucked and the latest upmap it way better. If I compared my dyno chart with the new Termi up vs the Akra I'll take mine anyway.
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Did not notice anything to be like you said and i driven it with normal stock and then akra.And am so picky i would be grumpy for that,since in factory they told me to keep them psoted what is hapening with the bike if i notice anything and i havent in 2,5 months
 
Ronin said:
Did not notice anything to be like you said and i driven it with normal stock and then akra.And am so picky i would be grumpy for that,since in factory they told me to keep them psoted what is hapening with the bike if i notice anything and i havent in 2,5 months
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How many km do you have on the bike?
 
Alright. Swung by my dealer and they cleared me for warranty should I just add the exhaust and not change the upmap that came with my R.

I'm in for the groupbuy. Or........ Motomummy has it in stock for $3437.00......hm...
 

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