And here comes the Yamaha R1M...

JeffD · Dec 2, 2014

TwiztedRabbit said:
I'll throw this into the mix for your thoughts. . Josh hayes graves yamaha team is using the r1.. not the m.

So is the British Superbike Milwaukee Yamaha team. But that doesn't have much, if any, bearing on what a consumer should buy.

I personally don't see the value in it, just like I didn't see the value of the 1199S over the base. For less than the price difference between the two I bought upgrades that are far better as piece parts (Bitubo gas fork cartridges, shock and steering damper, CF wheels) than the upgrade parts that come OEM. But of course that's me.

I see less of a difference in spec for the price between the R1M and R1. The R1M only adds carbon fiber bodywork, special paint scheme and the same Ohlins (albeit similar to the S1000RR/HP4 DDS for real-time damping control) and the Communication Control Unit - which is available for sale separately for the regular R1.

I guess all of the above for $5500 more is not such a bad deal, but the base R1 has all the same key features, save the suspension, which to me is still relatively first-generation. When they finally tie in the suspension settings to the GPS track mapping, so you can adjust the suspension for each section of the track - that will be very interesting to play with.

reganc · Dec 2, 2014

TwiztedRabbit said:
I'll throw this into the mix for your thoughts. . Josh hayes graves yamaha team is using the r1.. not the m.

he will be racing sbk with it so no need for the M version.

shakazulu12 · Dec 2, 2014

reganc said:
he will be racing superstock with it so no need for the M version.

Unless he got a major demotion, Hayes is running SBK. You are right about the "M" not being a benefit to someone actually racing. For street or trackDay applications the suspension is likely going to be fine. But for actual race use, it's getting ripped off in all likelihood.

Naturally this is just me speculating since nobody has ridden one outside of Yamaha test riders.

reganc · Dec 2, 2014

shakazulu12 said:
Unless he got a major demotion, Hayes is running SBK. You are right about the "M" not being a benefit to someone actually racing. For street or trackDay applications the suspension is likely going to be fine. But for actual race use, it's getting ripped off in all likelihood.

Naturally this is just me speculating since nobody has ridden one outside of Yamaha test riders.

No you are right. Brain freeze, and yes the suspension will be gutted.

JeffD · Dec 2, 2014

One more thing, the specific KYB suspension of the base R1 is new this year, and looks identical to what Kawasaki spec'd for their relatively cost-no-object H2. I'm very interested to see the review on it.

Ohlins OEM suspension is not nearly as good as aftermarket Ohlins, as evidenced by the Showa BPF fork on the Gen 4 ZX-10R consistently being subjectively rated higher than the 1199 S in damping quality, in various group tests. I wouldn't be surprised if the OEM KYB is rated very highly in reviews. Looking forward to Chris Ulrich's review in Roadracing World. He doesn't pull any punches in reviewing OEM bikes and has the pace to provide a definitive opinion on a bike's capabilities out-of-the-crate. His and Michael Neeves of MCN are the reviews I'm looking forward to on all the new 2015 superbikes.

Eleven 99 · Dec 2, 2014

Everyone who has sat on the new R1 at the bike shows has said it is very compact (makes the 1000RR feel huge). Makes me think at 6' 3", 230 lbs I'm not even going to fit on it. Might have to keep my 10R since it is fairly comfortable for me. Pretty soon only guys like Pedrosa, Lorenzo, and Marquez will fit on new bikes.

TwiztedRabbit · Dec 2, 2014

so me!!! 5'9" 140lbs

Eleven 99 · Dec 2, 2014

TwiztedRabbit said:
so me!!! 5'9" 140lbs

Yeah, should fit you like a glove. I tend to make full size sportbikes look like pocket bikes.

flobrandx · Dec 2, 2014

eleven 99 said:
yeah, should fit you like a glove. I tend to make full size sportbikes look like pocket bikes.

flobrandx · Dec 2, 2014

Or is it more like this?

Eleven 99 · Dec 2, 2014

JeffD · Dec 2, 2014

Same problem here, but I like to picture it more like this:

bradp51 · Dec 2, 2014

Eleven 99 said:

Wow I never knew anyone took that photo of me and I certainly did not give you permission to post it. LOL.

BROsiah · Dec 3, 2014

IMO you cant beat a RSV4 factory ...its on the same level as a Pani R and cost 10k less
And still looks almost as good as the Pani and WAY better than all the new jap bikes

Squidzilla · Dec 3, 2014

I like the rsv4 factory a lot. My dad has one and I've put a good amount of miles on it. I love the linear power and the sound the engine makes. And it doesn't feel nearly as heavy as its 463 pounds would suggest. That said, the 1199 looks better and flicks quicker than the Ape ever will. But to get back on topic, the new R1M has me intrigued more than any other new model. Can't wait for the reviews...

Rogue · Dec 3, 2014

JeffD said:
One more thing, the specific KYB suspension of the base R1 is new this year, and looks identical to what Kawasaki spec'd for their relatively cost-no-object H2. I'm very interested to see the review on it.

Ohlins OEM suspension is not nearly as good as aftermarket Ohlins, as evidenced by the Showa BPF fork on the Gen 4 ZX-10R consistently being subjectively rated higher than the 1199 S in damping quality, in various group tests. I wouldn't be surprised if the OEM KYB is rated very highly in reviews. Looking forward to Chris Ulrich's review in Roadracing World. He doesn't pull any punches in reviewing OEM bikes and has the pace to provide a definitive opinion on a bike's capabilities out-of-the-crate. His and Michael Neeves of MCN are the reviews I'm looking forward to on all the new 2015 superbikes.

What's the difference between a OEM Ohlins TTX and an aftermarket one?

b9009b · Dec 3, 2014

Rogue said:
What's the difference between a OEM Ohlins TTX and an aftermarket one?

Better valving, other upgrades in the aftermarket NIX. The way it was put to me buy a rider who knows his .... and his wallet.

OEM NIX - Outback Steak
After Market NIX/TTX - Delmonicos Steak.

JeffD · Dec 3, 2014

As b9009b notes above, plus the FGRT forks have billet fork lowers vs cast on OEM Ohlins forks. When you buy aftermarket you get springs to match your weight/use/skill, which would cost $300 for each end if you fall outside of factory specified spring rates - which many on here found out, especially those ligher than 180 lbs.

flobrandx · Dec 3, 2014

JeffD said:
Same problem here, but I like to picture it more like this:

So.....which of the two are you?

Eleven 99 · Dec 6, 2014

Motorcyclist Mag has a peek at Josh Hayes '15 R1 Superbike development

2015 Yamaha R1 Superbike | FIRST LOOK

And here comes the Yamaha R1M...

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