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You have quoted twice the problem that started this debate. That AR made you aware that Termi and Ducati were selling a $3500 performance up grade that was producing less performance than the standard system.

Thats a big claim and a false claim.

Buyer beware is not telling anyone not to buy this AR product but simply a warning to investigate your choices.

This became personal when Rich labelled members as trolls and requested some be banned for asking the following question.

How do you get the performance gain when your system is the same diameter as the standard system?

Instead of a simple answer that could have been ........ but sounded right like, we have a few subtle changes in radius of bends or length of pipe or a different baffle design.

Rich bit back with your a troll and I will not release our secrets.

Defensive and offensive. Poke me with a stick and you get a reaction.

Not once have I said anything negative about AR or the system, just asked questions that don't get answered. I too wanted the system to be a success as I love to have hot up options for my toys, I'm a sales persons wet dream in that sense.

When someone then threatens to have you removed from the forum and starts ranting about suing you it's hard not respond and emphasise their tom foolery.

The fanboys here will never change their mind as they entered the debate with their minds made up. But hell guys crying that we (trolls) are pushing an individual off the forum is as big a joke as the outlandish claims against Termi/Ducati.

Rich cries I will leave if you don't stop asking questions. Well so be it, If he wants to go then go.

The other manufacturers that Anthem mentioned as not being on the forum don't need the forum as a place to advertise unlike AR and the smaller outlets like Bellisimo.

You don't see Bellisimo running down another shop or a product that they don't sell or they too would be questioned about their claims.

Hell we all know that Gunny is not my best friend but with his air filter push he at no time says the standard filter reduces the performance or that the other after market filter reduces the performance. Just a simple claim and a price.

I am sure if I asked Gunny a question like how does it work, he would not say oh! that's secret you troll. He would say it allows more air through while still protecting the internals from debris! or words to that effect.

Be sceptical of all claims people it's healthy to do so. What has an individual to gain from their claims. Caveat emptor - buyer beware!
 
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Now that was a good/clear post. I hope you have nothing but positive reactions!!

On my way home, stopped at favorite pub!

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Gavin D and friends,

You keep talking about these claims that are false because of results that have come forward... please read carefully... THE CLAIMS WERE MADE BEFORE TERMI RELEASED A NEW MAP.

Should AR recheck there claims against the new map? Yes. But in no way does that make the claims false.

You and others keep posting as if you are doing everyone here a favor by being the product police. It's childish and comes across as a personal vendetta against Rich and AR. If you have a beef with AR, maybe take it offline where it can actually get resolved.

I personally don't care if it claims 300hp increase, it isn't the reason I would buy the exhaust. I suspect that to be the case with most. Nobody I know rides there bikes full out even 1% of the time. This makes the argument ridiculous.

I also don't believe you or any one of your forum bully friends ever planned on purchasing the exhaust to begin with... which makes your attacks seem more personal against Rich and his company. Pretty sure that is why he snapped. I would have done the same in his shoes.

Round up your posse and get the torches.
 
Gavin D said:
Anthem

You have quoted twice the problem that started this debate. That AR made you aware that Termi and Ducati were selling a $3500 performance up grade that was producing less performance than the standard system.

Thats a big claim and a false claim.

Buyer beware is not telling anyone not to buy this AR product but simply a warning to investigate your choices.

This became personal when Rich labelled members as trolls and requested some be banned for asking the following question.

How do you get the performance gain when your system is the same diameter as the standard system?

Instead of a simple answer that could have been ........ but sounded right like, we have a few subtle changes in radius of bends or length of pipe or a different baffle design.

Rich bit back with your a troll and I will not release our secrets.

Defensive and offensive. Poke me with a stick and you get a reaction.

Not once have I said anything negative about AR or the system, just asked questions that don't get answered. I too wanted the system to be a success as I love to have hot up options for my toys, I'm a sales persons wet dream in that sense.

When someone then threatens to have you removed from the forum and starts ranting about suing you it's hard not respond and emphasise their tom foolery.

The fanboys here will never change their mind as they entered the debate with their minds made up. But hell guys crying that we (trolls) are pushing an individual off the forum is as big a joke as the outlandish claims against Termi/Ducati.

Rich cries I will leave if you don't stop asking questions. Well so be it, If he wants to go then go.

The other manufacturers that Anthem mentioned as not being on the forum don't need the forum as a place to advertise unlike AR and the smaller outlets like Bellisimo.

You don't see Bellisimo running down another shop or a product that they don't sell or they too would be questioned about their claims.

Hell we all know that Gunny is not my best friend but with his air filter push he at no time says the standard filter reduces the performance or that the other after market filter reduces the performance. Just a simple claim and a price.

I am sure if I asked Gunny a question like how does it work, he would not say oh! that's secret you troll. He would say it allows more air through while still protecting the internals from debris! or words to that effect.

Be sceptical of all claims people it's healthy to do so. What has an individual to gain from their claims. Caveat emptor - buyer beware!
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Lardawge

Just incase you didn't read before you wrote. Read the quote. No posse but the Fanboy posse round these parts, Partner!!
 
lardawge said:
Gavin D and friends,

You keep talking about these claims that are false because of results that have come forward... please read carefully... THE CLAIMS WERE MADE BEFORE TERMI RELEASED A NEW MAP.

Should AR recheck there claims against the new map? Yes. But in no way does that make the claims false.

You and others keep posting as if you are doing everyone here a favor by being the product police. It's childish and comes across as a personal vendetta against Rich and AR. If you have a beef with AR, maybe take it offline where it can actually get resolved.

I personally don't care if it claims 300hp increase, it isn't the reason I would buy the exhaust. I suspect that to be the case with most. Nobody I know rides there bikes full out even 1% of the time. This makes the argument ridiculous.

I also don't believe you or any one of your forum bully friends ever planned on purchasing the exhaust to begin with... which makes your attacks seem more personal against Rich and his company. Pretty sure that is why he snapped. I would have done the same in his shoes.

Round up your posse and get the torches.
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I'm in complete agreement that the numbers were gathered before the up maps were corrected. Does that then make the claims obsolete? If yes, then don't f-ing make them anymore. Or, if there is new data, SHARE IT...which is what I've personally been asking for. I honestly don't see how that can be perceived as an attack? Please, enlighten me.

Oh, and if it doesn't run cooler, eliminating the need for a heat shield, then don't say it does. Pretty simple. Again, this is an AR problem. You guys can blame me for asking the questions, but that wont fix any of the problems here.
 
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It still doesn't answer the question about why you clowns take it so personal that you have to post pages and pages of nonsense on behalf of all us defenseless consumers.
 
lardawge said:
It still doesn't answer the question about why you clowns take it so personal that you have to post pages and pages of nonsense on behalf of all us defenseless consumers.
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If your having trouble understanding the previous post then ask a friend to read it and explain it to you! :rolleyes:
 
"The AR system adds a massive 10-15BHP low and mid in places over the termi full system and peaks at plus 5bhp as the graph shows. "

I found this quote from Rich on March 2nd 2013 on this very forum...

Seems a pretty unequivocal no caveat claim.....

The new Ducati map became available in Nov '12 if memory serves..so as a prospective buyer it wouldn't seem unreasonable to assume he was comparing the AR system to the Termi w/current map?? No??

So Rich.. does this claim still apply or not... Simple question... or should I use the "other" thread to expect an answer???
 
Gavin D said:
If your having trouble understanding the previous post then ask a friend to read it and explain it to you! :rolleyes:
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Exactly. Thats clearly how you deal with life which is why you have zero credibility. At least you are a superhero amongst your five forum friends. Good on you.
 
lardawge said:
Exactly. Thats clearly how you deal with life which is why you have zero credibility. At least you are a superhero amongst your five forum friends. Good on you.
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Dude... No heroes here.. Ask The Woot and/or Waf how they feel about their purchase right now??? AR took the moral high ground vs Termi.. now all we asking is why are these 2 guys not seeing the numbers claimed by Rich?? As one who is being "sued":rolleyes: by AR I asking them to clarify the discrepancies....
 
Stw said:
Dude... No heroes here.. Ask The Woot and/or Waf how they feel about their purchase right now??? AR took the moral high ground vs Termi.. now all we asking is why are these 2 guys not seeing the numbers claimed by Rich?? As one who is being "sued":rolleyes: by AR I asking them to clarify the discrepancies....
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Must have missed it. Did the Woot dyno his bike?
 

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