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D'you know how much it costs to change the gearing on a Fireblade....
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The best thing I can say about the Fireblade, is that I’m still thinking about it even after riding my Godzilla of a bike home.
I’ve started think of it like the Bruce Lee of bikes hahaha
Imagine your out to diner and bump into this little un-assuming Asian guy in glasses having diner….he very quietly asks you to step out side, kinda amused by the little guy you go and you start to circle each other….at 1st your like: “Okay he moves decent but I got this lil guy…..then WANG!!! you get kicked in a face 3 times so fast you never even saw him move, and now he’s just standing there all docile looking again
It doesn’t feel like a liter bike, it rides and handles like a 600 that has Ducati power but even so it feels more tame. Part of the fun of the Ducati is that it doesn’t feel tame, but the Fireblade is just as fun even though it feels tamer, I honestly think it’s because of the size, it just feels really good to go that fast on a bike that small feeling.
And it’s not light, my Ducati is about 50 pounds lighter but the Fireblade felt like the lighter bike…I think it has to do with ride height and geometry….it’s a different lever or fulcrum point tipping the Fireblade in.
I’ve started think of it like the Bruce Lee of bikes hahaha
Imagine your out to diner and bump into this little un-assuming Asian guy in glasses having diner….he very quietly asks you to step out side, kinda amused by the little guy you go and you start to circle each other….at 1st your like: “Okay he moves decent but I got this lil guy…..then WANG!!! you get kicked in a face 3 times so fast you never even saw him move, and now he’s just standing there all docile looking again
It doesn’t feel like a liter bike, it rides and handles like a 600 that has Ducati power but even so it feels more tame. Part of the fun of the Ducati is that it doesn’t feel tame, but the Fireblade is just as fun even though it feels tamer, I honestly think it’s because of the size, it just feels really good to go that fast on a bike that small feeling.
And it’s not light, my Ducati is about 50 pounds lighter but the Fireblade felt like the lighter bike…I think it has to do with ride height and geometry….it’s a different lever or fulcrum point tipping the Fireblade in.
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No clue…could be as simple as changing the sprocket teeth count to get it into a livable zone though…. I hear the aftermarket part list is very small, and worse still apparently they neutered the US versions by about 30 hp….and it’s a PITA to reflash them up to Euro Spec
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You need the kit ECU and wiring loom! £8k
If you change the gearing without it, all the electronics turn off.
You need to ride a V4R or 22 V4, if you prefer the way the Honda handles. The 4mm change to swingarm position is massive.
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I suspect the foot pegs are high on the Honda because the whole thing is lower to the ground. If the foot pegs are too low you’d have problems in the lean.
At Laguna this weekend. Foggy. I don’t compete in motorcycle road racing although I am a fan obviously. There are probably a lot of factors why racers ride what they ride in their respective classes. Ducati as a brand doesn’t seem to have much representation outside top pro level racing accompanied by factory money and support.
There are zero Ducs in stock 1000 (not sure on the rules) There is one V2 in SS this weekend and it has full factory support and Josh is riding it. There is one V4 in SB this weekend and it has full factory support with an ex Motogp guy on it. Other than that the only Ducatis here are in the parking lot. To me (and again this is an uneducated, bystanders observation) it seems like it’s a lot easier and less expensive to go racing with other brands.
There are zero Ducs in stock 1000 (not sure on the rules) There is one V2 in SS this weekend and it has full factory support and Josh is riding it. There is one V4 in SB this weekend and it has full factory support with an ex Motogp guy on it. Other than that the only Ducatis here are in the parking lot. To me (and again this is an uneducated, bystanders observation) it seems like it’s a lot easier and less expensive to go racing with other brands.
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Ducati also offers no rewards for winning on their bikes. BMW and most other manufacturers pay out a couple grand if you win an event on their bikes (even when it's just regional events like CRA in Socal) but Ducati doesn't give a dime.
I don't really think it's a rideability thing, thought that might be a factor. It seems like $$$ is the main reason why Ducati isn't the bike of choice for racing on most levels. Running the V4R platform for a few years in MotoAmerica obliterated Kyle Kyle Wyman's financial situation, making him unable to secure the funds to run a BMW machine this year.
I don't really think it's a rideability thing, thought that might be a factor. It seems like $$$ is the main reason why Ducati isn't the bike of choice for racing on most levels. Running the V4R platform for a few years in MotoAmerica obliterated Kyle Kyle Wyman's financial situation, making him unable to secure the funds to run a BMW machine this year.
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Everything costs double on a Ducati, when you go racing, and there's no real performance benefits.
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Yeah but then there’s fun factor….apparently there is a price for that lol
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Did a bit of googling.... gearing change seems to be an issue only for the 'SC77' fireblades Rick. SC82s seem to tolerate up to a -1 front and +2 rear? If you want to deviate farther from that (-1 front +2 rear is a pretty wide range that should fit most scenarios IMO), it seems you need to reflash. Not seeing anywhere that you need a different wiring harness though.
OK yes that's annoying. But is it really that big of a deal though? Plenty of similar ........ you have to put up with on a Ducati. A $30k bike with a garbage quickshifter is just as much of a crime as a gearing change needing an ECU flash. Besides, a reflash is a necessity / given for any street bike and something we all do anyway, so what's the big deal?
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IF the ecu is cracked. If not… kit ecu might be the only option.
Do you know how long it takes to make a gearbox ratio change on a ZX10R? About 20 min and there are six different ratio options in the Kawasaki kit package. How long does a gearbox ratio change on a V4 take?
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I don't pretend to be knowledgeable about Hondas, never owned one so take this for what it's worth (not much). Just being a keyboard hero, but ECU is cracked and plenty of tunes seem to be available.
https://mcuinnovations.com/software/ecuworkbench/tunes/?model=honda-sc82
https://brentuningmoto.com/product/2021-cbr1000rr-r-sp-stage-1/
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Cassette style gearbox was great on the ZX10R. I never changed a single ratio :'D
I'm unlikely to on the V4, I don't even know if you have to split the cases. But, I do know I can do anything I like with the sprockets, in minutes, without throwing out my ECU.
tbf, I do have the Sitta quick change sprocket carrier, which did cost me a few quid, but is an absolute doddle to use.
Whilst the rest of the eccentric hub is a setup nightmare when you do swap sprockets.
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You’re good buddy. I don’t know anything about them either.
Prior to release of the current gen, widespread speculation had it slotted as a v4. I was interested. As soon as specs were available and it was revealed to be an i4, I lost interest. If the next gen is a v4, i might re-engage.
on the Duc you have to split the case to do just about anything. Great styling, great innovative engineering, horrible support engineering. Ducati is continuing their quest for no user serviceability. These bikes are a maintenance nightmare for the service center’s and for the do it yourself guys, worse and that’s before you layer the painful ass raping at the parts counter. Not a bike for the squeamish. Sitta QC great setup.
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Really good point, so what if it has a cassette gearbox or whatever MotoGP style feature if its not used by 99.9% of the buyers. As for splitting cases, yep thats pretty normal for significant engine work and if you are blowing up gearboxes or need to change ratios regularly you probably have your team mechanic doing it!
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Winter project:
Not much left to do on this bike, RaceSeats.it custom seat on the way, suspension done for now with FKR 108 front fork inserts custom valved and spring. Ohlins TTX GP rear shock custom valved with a 130 spring.
The rest is just Carbon Fiber and Titanium and a new livery.
Motoholders rear subframe though I think I’m going to order the Pierobon rear subframe.
Not much left to do on this bike, RaceSeats.it custom seat on the way, suspension done for now with FKR 108 front fork inserts custom valved and spring. Ohlins TTX GP rear shock custom valved with a 130 spring.
The rest is just Carbon Fiber and Titanium and a new livery.
Motoholders rear subframe though I think I’m going to order the Pierobon rear subframe.
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remind me are you on the pierobon extended swing arm?
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Dear Steven, After careful review of your posts I'm afraid your situation means you need to get help
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to buy at least 3 more bikes!!
You gotta stop spending all your bike money on the Duck there are other bikes out there begging to come home with you!
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to buy at least 3 more bikes!!
You gotta stop spending all your bike money on the Duck there are other bikes out there begging to come home with you!Similar threads
