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Steven31371 said:
Was at Big Willow for a coaching day, went backward on time but that’s okay because I was learning. RoadracerX is a brilliant line coach, was funny, we were in the fast group and taking a different line in Turn 8/9 and crossing people up frankly in an unsafe way, though we were trying to signal it and stay clear to be as safe as possible…but by mid day all the faster riders switched to RoadracerX’s line, which IS faster. He did a 1:29 flat on that line. Which I think was fastest lap on the day. Not bad considering he rarely goes to Big Willow.

The one negative was that the track just got repaved and I was very excited about that, but on turns 3 and 5 there were some places on the freshly repaved sections that were so rough they jogged your front tire sideways if you hit them. I called Willow Springs about it today and they said they knew about it and the paving company was coming out 1st week of October to fix it and apologized in a very nice way for the track condition, they seem to be on top of trying to get Big Willow set up right.

In other news, my mega build bike is probably going up for sale soon, new project in mind.

As a relatively new rider whose a bit old to be learning to track ride, I’ve finally come to the conclusion that this bike is hurting my progress more than helping it. It turns like riding on a fly’s back, is INSANELY fast, and grips far beyond my ability, but it’s also a very savage bike…all of which makes it fun as hell and fast as hell, but also harder to learn on. I’ve kinda hit a plateau on it.

So I think I’m going to sell it, let somebody faster than me ride it faster than me, and I’ll do the whole next season on a Kramer or an 8C RC. Then look for a new V4 to play with in 2025.
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Buy an old 750 Gxr. Has HP but no torque, forces you to learn to carry speed. And when you toss it away cheap to fix.
 
X15b said:
That's a front and rear, bit hard to compare like that ;)
What compounds were you running?
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Haha

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bp_SFV4 said:
Sad because you didn't type Aprilia RSV4 XTrenta.
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It’s on my radar, but if I’m going to spend all next year on a different bike I kinda want to wait and see what comes out next year. RoadRacerX ordered an XTrenta, so I’m kinda interested in his thoughts on the bike when it’s in hand.

Maybe the 2025 Ducati V4R will have that new trick gearbox
 
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Steven31371 said:
Was at Big Willow for a coaching day, went backward on time but that’s okay because I was learning. RoadracerX is a brilliant line coach, was funny, we were in the fast group and taking a different line in Turn 8/9 and crossing people up frankly in an unsafe way, though we were trying to signal it and stay clear to be as safe as possible…but by mid day all the faster riders switched to RoadracerX’s line, which IS faster. He did a 1:29 flat on that line. Which I think was fastest lap on the day. Not bad considering he rarely goes to Big Willow.

The one negative was that the track just got repaved and I was very excited about that, but on turns 3 and 5 there were some places on the freshly repaved sections that were so rough they jogged your front tire sideways if you hit them. I called Willow Springs about it today and they said they knew about it and the paving company was coming out 1st week of October to fix it and apologized in a very nice way for the track condition, they seem to be on top of trying to get Big Willow set up right.

In other news, my mega build bike is probably going up for sale soon, new project in mind.

As a relatively new rider whose a bit old to be learning to track ride, I’ve finally come to the conclusion that this bike is hurting my progress more than helping it. It turns like riding on a fly’s back, is INSANELY fast, and grips far beyond my ability, but it’s also a very savage bike…all of which makes it fun as hell and fast as hell, but also harder to learn on. I’ve kinda hit a plateau on it.

So I think I’m going to sell it, let somebody faster than me ride it faster than me, and I’ll do the whole next season on a Kramer or an 8C RC. Then look for a new V4 to play with in 2025.
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It's a good strategy. I wouldn't mind doing the same.
One of the things holding me back is that the KTM and Kramer are both very special, low volume bikes. Clearly, one would take off all the exotic carbon bodywork and store it (shame, but sensible), but in the event of a crash or even a mechanical/electronic failure, the prospect of waiting on parts and being charged exorbitant prices (with no used parts market) scares me.
Fair, or am I being paranoid? Or do the benefits justify the risk?
 
cl955 said:
It's a good strategy. I wouldn't mind doing the same.
One of the things holding me back is that the KTM and Kramer are both very special, low volume bikes. Clearly, one would take off all the exotic carbon bodywork and store it (shame, but sensible), but in the event of a crash or even a mechanical/electronic failure, the prospect of waiting on parts and being charged exorbitant prices (with no used parts market) scares me.
Fair, or am I being paranoid? Or do the benefits justify the risk?
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They harden those bikes for track use REALLY well out of the box, they come with some spares as I understand it, and the parts that cost more are so track hardened that you’d have to have a catastrophic high side to really cost a bundle to make ready to ride again.
 
baggerman said:
Buy a bike with no electronics. You'll learn faster when your mistakes aren't being moderated by AI.
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This. I am a humble rookie and started way too late for the kind of level I deeply want to reach. BUT I always ride with ALL assistance off. Granted I am far away from top-speed/crazy-lean category but if I ever get there I want to do it “clean” and “pure”. If it is not possible … fine. In fact I will gladly trade my ‘21 v4 with a ‘18 V4 if I find a good/clean deal.
 
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tftrained said:
This. I am a humble rookie and started way too late for the kind of level I deeply want to reach. BUT I always ride with ALL assistance off. Granted I am far away from top-speed/crazy-lean category but if I ever get there I want to do it “clean” and “pure”. If it is not possible … fine. In fact I will gladly trade my ‘21 v4 with a ‘18 V4 if I find a good/clean deal.
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It is always better to have ridden in the dirt
 
baggerman said:
It is always better to have ridden in the dirt
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Agreed, and I did my entire childhood and teenage years, so when something has gone wrong I’ve luckily been able to call upon that muscle memory to save things. But where it’s not helping me so far is having the confidence to INTENTIONALLY ride the V4 at it’s limits and control slide it like I use to on dirt. The speeds are just too different and consequences too high, it’s like the gap is too far between sliding on dirt at dirt speeds and sliding on pavement at track speeds on a V4.

That’s why I think I’m going to back off the liter bike a bit and progress from a Kramer evo2 or similar to the Kramer 890RR then back to liter bikes…so I can sorta walk up to riding at the limits on a V4 in a controlled way.
 
Steven31371 said:
Agreed, and I did my entire childhood and teenage years, so when something has gone wrong I’ve luckily been able to call upon that muscle memory to save things. But where it’s not helping me so far is having the confidence to INTENTIONALLY ride the V4 at it’s limits and control slide it like I use to on dirt. The speeds are just too different and consequences too high, it’s like the gap is too far between sliding on dirt at dirt speeds and sliding on pavement at track speeds on a V4.

That’s why I think I’m going to back off the liter bike a bit and progress from a Kramer evo2 or similar to the Kramer 890RR then back to liter bikes…so I can sorta walk up to riding at the limits on a V4 in a controlled way.
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What about picking up a base 22+ V4? The 22+ electronics and chassis are softer than the previous gen and you can run it in low power mode which only gives you 150 hp. You could get 2 for 1. And you could refit the parts you’d want from your old bike like suspension and gearing
 
Alkhater said:
The Kramer/RC 8 looks like it's a smaller bike... being a larger lad don't you think that will be a hinderance?
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Nah, I’ve seen one in person, they aren’t THAT small. Plus it’s for track use not touring so comfort isn’t my highest priority as long as I can get into a good riding position.

I’ve also lost a fair amount of weight and have gotten in better shape since I 1st started going to the track, so what’s a comfortable riding position window has expanded.

The one bit I do have a concern about is the windscreen size.
 
That’s what I mean… with regards to ergonomics not comfort.

I’m 6’ and even on the Panigale it’s a challenge to get into a proper tuck, that’s with the clip ons as far forward as they can go without hitting the steering damper. Part of the reason I’m moving the damper to the side.
 

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