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Just want to say I applaud the decision of building your base level of talent to meet your desired pace on track. Smart way of doing it for sure though, like you, I was late to picking up this sport. Personally….like @SuperDomestique suggested, switch to low power and keep your beast. I would run Chuck like that for 1/2 the weekend last season, just took the edge off enough that my corner speed went way up due to less mismatch between the tail end of braking and entry speed.
 
In a recent event with Troy Corser he had us very focused on technique and was getting us to short-shift, keep the speed down and brake soon but lightly, trying to ride at 80%. He was saying that once you have the technique and feel comfortable with it, you can increase the speed and break harder initially.

I guess using the lower power setting would help with it.

I did a lap focused on body position and lines with light braking, never went above 90% throttle and used 5% less than my maximum lean angle and went 6 seconds faster.

A Kramer is very tempting though and it’s hard to argue against what you are suggesting.
 
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@spooky CaliSBK School does a "4th gear no brakes" exercise that has a similar outcome. Did a lot of time with the JP43 school and they will try and get you to full stop on the throttle as early and often as possible...that's better than 5 double shot lattes for the 'ole ticker!!!
 
spooky said:
In a recent event with Troy Corser he had us very focused on technique and was getting us to short-shift, keep the speed down and brake soon but lightly, trying to ride at 80%. He was saying that once you have the technique and feel comfortable with it, you can increase the speed and break harder initially.

I guess using the lower power setting would help with it.

I did a lap focused on body position and lines with light braking, never went above 90% throttle and used 5% less than my maximum lean angle and went 6 seconds faster.

A Kramer is very tempting though and it’s hard to argue against what you are suggesting.
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Troy Corser I think still owns the fastest lap at the old Sears Point. There was an AMA race at Sears the week after a superbike round at Laguna (mid 90's). For some reason they allowed him to run that AMA round (maybe they wanted the mechanics to see the VR1000 Harley that Miguel Duhamel was on). He had never seen the track before. I was racing AFM at the time and the fastest guys in the club had not yet broke into the 1' 40's. I think it was in qualifying he run's (if memory serves me well) a 1' 42 something. Seemed impossible to me at that time. Talented guy.
 
baggerman said:
Troy Corser I think still owns the fastest lap at the old Sears Point. There was an AMA race at Sears the week after a superbike round at Laguna (mid 90's). For some reason they allowed him to run that AMA round (maybe they wanted the mechanics to see the VR1000 Harley that Miguel Duhamel was on). He had never seen the track before. I was racing AFM at the time and the fastest guys in the club had not yet broke into the 1' 40's. I think it was in qualifying he run's (if memory serves me well) a 1' 42 something. Seemed impossible to me at that time. Talented guy.
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He passed me into a bend and buggered off out of sight down the back straight on his back wheel with a passenger on the back... He makes it look effortless.

One of the instructors told me he rode pillion with Troy at a track and when he checked the bike after to look at the stats he'd done 58 degrees of lean angle... :oops:
 
spooky said:
He passed me into a bend and buggered off out of sight down the back straight on his back wheel with a passenger on the back... He makes it look effortless.

One of the instructors told me he rode pillion with Troy at a track and when he checked the bike after to look at the stats he'd done 58 degrees of lean angle... :oops:
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Damn 😅
 
KarlKani said:
highly doubt they are doing this tho
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They really don’t need to because the core of their setup is the trellis frame, which you don’t need on a V4 because the engine is the frame. They already sell the subframes and swingarms for the V4’s. And you can source a standard WSBK tank or an OEM tank and all the other components to build out the bike.

So you really don’t need a ‘kit’ from them, just the subframes and swingarm, the latter they have both extended SSSA’s and DSSWA, for the V4 already, though it would be nice if they just made a turnkey complete kit.

I think the way to go with them to essentially make an over powered Kramer is to do their 1299 or 1199 engines kit with the gas tank and electronics sorted etc. That would be a hell of a bike, nearly the lightness and agility and precision of a Kramer, with way more power.
 
Steven31371 said:
They really don’t need to because the core of their setup is the trellis frame, which you don’t need on a V4 because the engine is the frame. They already sell the subframes and swingarms for the V4’s. And you can source a standard WSBK tank or an OEM tank and all the other components to build out the bike.

So you really don’t need a ‘kit’ from them, just the subframes and swingarm, the latter they have both extended SSSA’s and DSSWA, for the V4 already, though it would be nice if they just made a turnkey complete kit.

I think the way to go with them to essentially make an over powered Kramer is to do their 1299 or 1199 engines kit with the gas tank and electronics sorted etc. That would be a hell of a bike, nearly the lightness and agility and precision of a Kramer, with way more power.
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I would gamble that a stock 22+ PV4 will be easier to ride than an X85R. Your current bike is difficult to ride because it’s been modded to death. My 22 PV4 is probably the easiest bike I’ve ever ridden 600 or 1000
 
It’s not the physicality of my bike, I’ve actually made it easy to ride from that standpoint, and I’ve gotten into pretty good shape…with all the rotational mass reduction and geometry changes etc. it’s not difficult physically to ride.

The problem is twofold:

1. It’s so absurdly fast that I am overwhelmed on it all the time, that’s also what I LOVE about it because it makes it fun. It changes direction better than any bike I’ve ever riden, it pulls harder than any bike I’ve ever riden, it brakes harder than any bike I’ve ever riden, and grips harder than any bike I’ve ever riden. But all this conspires together to make it so that it’s so fast that my inexperienced ass can’t muster up the balls to ride it at its limits or anywhere near that. Because I didn’t progress to this bike, I jumped right in.

2. A simple low side on this bike would cost 6 to 10k to repair lol, and no matter how much I ignore that it’s there.

The result is that coming into a braking zone the speed then deceleration is so strong that I’m just holding on and not breaking down corner entry, line, roll speed, and lean angle. At mid corner I’m rolling at speeds on the low end of A group but leaning less, not utilizing the whole tire. On corner exit acceleration is so hard that I don’t get on the gas early and hard enough.

Bottom line, I want to get faster, much faster, but this bike is WAY too much sensory input to do that. As a novice rider I didn’t understand that, as an intermediate rider I do now.

It is set up really well so I could just keep it, switch to a roller bike that’s dialed down enough to work on form and skill, and I may just do that, I’m not holding my breath that the bike will sell for a price I’m willing to sell it at in this market.

But I’m also ready for some new toy to work on if I’m honest.
 
timwu12 said:
The Kramer/RC 8 looks like it's a smaller bike... being a larger lad don't you think that will be a hinderance?
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Nah, I’ve sat on one, feels fine, you don’t really know until you have a bike on track how it’s going to feel on track, but I felt pretty good sitting on it.

Now I’m leaning toward keeping my current bike, and getting a Kramer Evo2 R though, something the opposite of my bike but that will still turn as good as my bike.
 
Steven31371 said:
Nah, I’ve sat on one, feels fine, you don’t really know until you have a bike on track how it’s going to feel on track, but I felt pretty good sitting on it.

Now I’m leaning toward keeping my current bike, and getting a Kramer Evo2 R though, something the opposite of my bike but that will still turn as good as my bike.
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Thank you!
 

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