Back in the shop

Ducati Forum

Help Support Ducati Forum:

tftrained said:
This. I am a humble rookie and started way too late for the kind of level I deeply want to reach. BUT I always ride with ALL assistance off. Granted I am far away from top-speed/crazy-lean category but if I ever get there I want to do it “clean” and “pure”. If it is not possible … fine. In fact I will gladly trade my ‘21 v4 with a ‘18 V4 if I find a good/clean deal.
Click to expand...

It is always better to have ridden in the dirt
 
baggerman said:
It is always better to have ridden in the dirt
Click to expand...

Agreed, and I did my entire childhood and teenage years, so when something has gone wrong I’ve luckily been able to call upon that muscle memory to save things. But where it’s not helping me so far is having the confidence to INTENTIONALLY ride the V4 at it’s limits and control slide it like I use to on dirt. The speeds are just too different and consequences too high, it’s like the gap is too far between sliding on dirt at dirt speeds and sliding on pavement at track speeds on a V4.

That’s why I think I’m going to back off the liter bike a bit and progress from a Kramer evo2 or similar to the Kramer 890RR then back to liter bikes…so I can sorta walk up to riding at the limits on a V4 in a controlled way.
 
Steven31371 said:
Agreed, and I did my entire childhood and teenage years, so when something has gone wrong I’ve luckily been able to call upon that muscle memory to save things. But where it’s not helping me so far is having the confidence to INTENTIONALLY ride the V4 at it’s limits and control slide it like I use to on dirt. The speeds are just too different and consequences too high, it’s like the gap is too far between sliding on dirt at dirt speeds and sliding on pavement at track speeds on a V4.

That’s why I think I’m going to back off the liter bike a bit and progress from a Kramer evo2 or similar to the Kramer 890RR then back to liter bikes…so I can sorta walk up to riding at the limits on a V4 in a controlled way.
Click to expand...

What about picking up a base 22+ V4? The 22+ electronics and chassis are softer than the previous gen and you can run it in low power mode which only gives you 150 hp. You could get 2 for 1. And you could refit the parts you’d want from your old bike like suspension and gearing
 
Alkhater said:
The Kramer/RC 8 looks like it's a smaller bike... being a larger lad don't you think that will be a hinderance?
Click to expand...

Nah, I’ve seen one in person, they aren’t THAT small. Plus it’s for track use not touring so comfort isn’t my highest priority as long as I can get into a good riding position.

I’ve also lost a fair amount of weight and have gotten in better shape since I 1st started going to the track, so what’s a comfortable riding position window has expanded.

The one bit I do have a concern about is the windscreen size.
 
That’s what I mean… with regards to ergonomics not comfort.

I’m 6’ and even on the Panigale it’s a challenge to get into a proper tuck, that’s with the clip ons as far forward as they can go without hitting the steering damper. Part of the reason I’m moving the damper to the side.
 
Just to give some opinion and not completely derail you classified ad.

I think going to a smaller bike is a great idea, but what I am reading doesn't really seem like the most honest approach. Getting multiple smaller bikes and journeying thru them moving on once you have mastered them is not realistic. Trust me you don't have the time to do that...

Get one smaller bike and go for it. To me this really speaks to the fact that you should build to a supebike, you started with one then got a gxsr but now want a different smaller bike? I think you do also have to reason with your draw to bikes, all of us on here loving Ducatis sort of for a reason - Kramers are cool but do you think a single 690 is going to be engaging and draw you to the track? Sure the RR or the 8CRC will prolly hit more of the nerve to go ride but also probably be better moderate step down power wise for someone of your size. Also keep in mind a V2 would be an excellent mid power bike for you to consider.

In no way is any of this meant to sound too critical or negative just wanted to provide my insight on it, I think the foundation of it is spot on. Get a smaller bike learn how to sail around the outside of V4R guys on corners but also triple down on fitness and understanding the nuances of riding at the track, once you start seeing big accomplishments you might NOT come back to riding big bikes.
 
KarlKani said:
Just to give some opinion and not completely derail you classified ad.

I think going to a smaller bike is a great idea, but what I am reading doesn't really seem like the most honest approach. Getting multiple smaller bikes and journeying thru them moving on once you have mastered them is not realistic. Trust me you don't have the time to do that...

Get one smaller bike and go for it. To me this really speaks to the fact that you should build to a supebike, you started with one then got a gxsr but now want a different smaller bike? I think you do also have to reason with your draw to bikes, all of us on here loving Ducatis sort of for a reason - Kramers are cool but do you think a single 690 is going to be engaging and draw you to the track? Sure the RR or the 8CRC will prolly hit more of the nerve to go ride but also probably be better moderate step down power wise for someone of your size. Also keep in mind a V2 would be an excellent mid power bike for you to consider.

In no way is any of this meant to sound too critical or negative just wanted to provide my insight on it, I think the foundation of it is spot on. Get a smaller bike learn how to sail around the outside of V4R guys on corners but also triple down on fitness and understanding the nuances of riding at the track, once you start seeing big accomplishments you might NOT come back to riding big bikes.
Click to expand...

All valid, and yes I’m still debating about the Evo2…for sure I think I’ll progress faster if I do 3 to 5 track days on one of those then jump up to an 890, but do I really want to spend 23k on a bike that I’ll likely outgrow after 3 to 5 track days?

The GSXR is still a pretty big powerful liter bike, surprisingly so, though it does have the benefit that I don’t mind crashing it, it’s also not that much of a ‘dialing back’ from my bike, definitely less savage though.
 
Alkhater said:
That’s what I mean… with regards to ergonomics not comfort.

I’m 6’ and even on the Panigale it’s a challenge to get into a proper tuck, that’s with the clip ons as far forward as they can go without hitting the steering damper. Part of the reason I’m moving the damper to the si
Click to expand...

Steven31371 said:
All valid, and yes I’m still debating about the Evo2…for sure I think I’ll progress faster if I do 3 to 5 track days on one of those then jump up to an 890, but do I really want to spend 23k on a bike that I’ll likely outgrow after 3 to 5 track days?

The GSXR is still a pretty big powerful liter bike, surprisingly so, though it does have the benefit that I don’t mind crashing it, it’s also not that much of a ‘dialing back’ from my bike, definitely less savage though.
Click to expand...

The GSXR is like 140 crank I think. But more importantly no electronics (buy an old one). And it's both shorter and lighter. Very 600 like. My friend had one after tossing away a couple of liter bikes. He's about 6' 1" and liked the riding position. In the end what did you think about the sicom's, didn't you have a set?
 
baggerman said:
The GSXR is like 140 crank I think. But more importantly no electronics (buy an old one). And it's both shorter and lighter. Very 600 like. My friend had one after tossing away a couple of liter bikes. He's about 6' 1" and liked the riding position. In the end what did you think about the sicom's, didn't you have a set?
Click to expand...

I love the Sicom Rotors and pads, when combined with an upgraded MC they are perfect, very progressive initial bite but ramp up to about the same stopping power as steel rotors with Z04 pads. But 5 pounds less rotational mass than the latter.

I’ll use them on any bike I get moving forward.
 
baggerman said:
Thanks. Do you think they're streetable? How do they act with the rotors cold? And what MC?
Click to expand...

I have the 17 RCS Corsa Corta

Work equally well on street or track, they aren’t like old school CF rotors that need to heat up

There is a very specific bedding process you have to go through with them but once that’s done they work like normal brakes but with 5 pounds less rotating mass, so the bike feels 30 or 40 pounds lighter
 
Jolly Roger V4 said:
Perfect super mid for that track. Throw an exhaust on it and be done. Ride it all day long and never get tired. I almost bought one. Got
another super mid and love it at that track.
Click to expand...

What did you get?

I’m leaning toward a Kramer Evo2 690R

I want light, easy and crashable with good braking and control, that turns crisply.

When I 1st started building my bike it was about building the sexiest most capable bike I could…then learning how to ride it. But it was about the bike 1st, riding 2nd.

But now it’s all about the riding, I want to do some amateur racing but I’m far from being able to be competitive, and not progressing as quickly as I’d like…so now it’s about going back to basics with the bike, regardless of cost and looks.

As all of you said, learning to ride fast on a 120k nearly WSBK spec V4 isn’t probably the easiest route. But at the time I didn’t care, I wanted that super sexy bike to have fun on, and however fast I was or was not on it was okay.

Moving forward for at least half a season I want a bike that literally disappears under me but still does exactly what I ask it to do. A bike that’s flickable like my Ducati but that I give no ..... about low siding while I ride it at its limits, and reaching it’s limits are attainable fairly smoothly and easily.

I think I’ll go test ride a V2 and see how it feels, with the Kramer I also literally have to do nothing to it except get the right springs on it. (And maybe put some Sicom Rotors on there lol)
 

Similar threads

J
2024 Ducati V2 Bayliss Edition
Replies
1
Views
298
AlanM
A
M
Panigale V4 RG
Replies
7
Views
655
SirJAG
S
M
For Sale Leftover V4S Part Out Items- locks Kit/ecu/cluster, Ohlins Suspension, Swingarm, radiators, other bits
Replies
0
Views
242
MdDuc
M
Vicati
For Sale Panigale 1299s and Panigale 959 Full bolt ons
Replies
11
Views
1K
Vicati
Vicati
Steven31371
  • Locked
SOLD! Sold and/or removed from sale
Replies
18
Views
1K
Steven31371
Steven31371

Register CTA

Register on Ducati Forum! This sidebar will go away, and you will see fewer ads.

Recent Discussions

Back
Top