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Something you just get used to - I have ordered 1098 and miltistradas when they were launched and there is a wait every time. Worth it though
 
Got the news from my dealer - his training is April 17th. Bikes come out very soon after, if you have an early order
 
FrostyFire said:
Does anyone have any actual evidence of delays or is it just hearsay?
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Not with Ducati, but with other products, yes. The news form an importer friend is that internal product deliveries were delayed for a few days and up to two weeks, do to the bad weather.
I suspect that Ducati follows a "just in time" production/supplier chain model, so it is plausible that they suffered some delays in their production line mainly due to delays form external suppliers. However, I also suspect that Ducati could add a week or so to account for other production delays while blaming the weather, even if their supply chain was only minimumily affected.
 
The snowstorm had very little to do with the production delay. Ducati was already well behind schedule prior to that. Sale of the company and InvestIndustrial's lack of willingness to keep pumping cash in copious amounts of cash all to realize no return on capital invested has much more to do with it. All the Panigale hype generated our pre-orders, which, in turn were used to cultivate a prospective company buyer (some would say 'sucker' based on review of Ducati's financials). That offer has a 4/15 deadline, before which Panigales will not be delivered in large numbers (again, InvestIndustrial isn't interested in dumping in more cash...they're more interested in dumping the company and getting their money back). I've posted somewhat extensively regarding this on 1199forums.com so won't copy that data here. I feel like a used Ducatista. : ( and if Ducati doesn't deliver or respond with a definitive delivery date soon, I'll be canceling my order; I'm sure others will follow.
 
this is now exactly the same situation i ´ve been in to two years ago as i ordered the s1000rr.
there was also no respond till the day of delivery which was in fact four days earlier as scheduled.
now my dealer told me --end of march - begin april as delivery date. and there is no delay at all. there will be no preinformation of delivery.
thats it for the 1199s.
the base modell will be delivered later-- same procedure as it always was with ducati.
 
Chuck said:
.... if Ducati doesn't deliver or respond with a definitive delivery date soon, I'll be canceling my order; I'm sure others will follow.
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Sorry, I won't be one of them. I've had my deposit in since the 25th of July.. What's another few weeks ;)

I recall delays with the 916, 999, 1098, RSV4, S1000rr.... Why would we expect the 1199 to be different.
 
FrostyFire said:
What did you dealer base that date on? Hopes and dreams? I was the first to order from my dealer, and I was told April.
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My dealer is the importer, so deals direct with the factory, as I have mentioned before.

Unit we are talking about was on the order system, since it opened, through which he gets actual build slot info, like week-x.

So, with all due respect, I'm not basing my comments on a "first at my dealer" scenario, also particularly not from a dealer and region where delay will be added due to extended shipping times.
 
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For some reason - known only to himself - chuck is commenting on most of the Ducati websites about his view on how the Ducati company sale is doomed to failure and that the schedule for production and delivery of panigales is going to be severely impacted by this.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to express it on the Internet. He might be correct in his assertions. He is consistently advising us all to lose hope and cancel our orders.
I won't be cancelling mine as all that will do is allow someone else to take my slot.
Maybe chuck is counting on that ?
 
ukrr said:
For some reason - known only to himself - chuck is commenting on most of the Ducati websites about his view on how the Ducati company sale is doomed to failure and that the schedule for production and delivery of panigales is going to be severely impacted by this.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to express it on the Internet. He might be correct in his assertions. He is consistently advising us all to lose hope and cancel our orders.
I won't be cancelling mine as all that will do is allow someone else to take my slot.
Maybe chuck is counting on that ?
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Personally, I don't find Chucks comments overly negative:

- Yes, for sure Ducati management have bigger fish to fry.
- Yes, there are enough die-hard Ducatisti to buy every Panigale they finally get round to building this year.
- Enough bikes will ship March/April to appease the masses and potential investors.

But most importantly, will the bike be utterly splendid ???

I think yes, so wait, reasonably quietly I will :):)
 
BTW. If anyone fancies getting clever, go find out about Panigale spec Marzocchi forks and Sachs shocks.

Based on Ducati just-in-time production and supply model, I doubt they plan to receive them too long before they're needed.

..... just like the Tricolore body panels :rolleyes:
 
i can wait a few extra weeks if its needed,i was told early April for my base but if that turns out to be early May then so be it...if however it turns out to be end May and there,s still no sign of it then i may be tempted to go test ride the Aprilla and BMW
 
ukrr said:
For some reason - known only to himself - chuck is commenting on most of the Ducati websites about his view on how the Ducati company sale is doomed to failure and that the schedule for production and delivery of panigales is going to be severely impacted by this.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to express it on the Internet. He might be correct in his assertions. He is consistently advising us all to lose hope and cancel our orders.
I won't be cancelling mine as all that will do is allow someone else to take my slot.
Maybe chuck is counting on that ?
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Hardly ukrr, you are in the U.K., I'm in the U.S., so I really don't think your canceled order would result in that bike being delivered to me. I'm not advising anyone do anything, nor am I being negative, merely giving factual information. Choose to believe it or not; not to sound abrasive, but I really don't care; however, it is factual. Go back and look at any comment I've made, you'll see that it's proven within several days thereafter. What is disturbing to everyone is perhaps the realization that the owners are seeking to sell out at a time where we are all impatient to receive an arguably great superbike, and that the production and delivery delays are because the owners don't want to continue dumping in more of their cash (I certainly don't blame them, it's hard to suck up paying salaries to line workers but hold back allowing them to manufacture product, but InvestIndustrial has made the decision to sell, so that takes priority). "It's business, strictly business."
 
Chuck said:
comment I've made, you'll see that it's proven within several days thereafter. What is disturbing to everyone is perhaps the realization that the owners are seeking to sell out at a time where we are all impatient to receive an arguably great superbike, and that the production and delivery delays are because the owners don't want to continue dumping in more of their cash (I certainly don't blame them, it's hard to suck up paying salaries to line workers but hold back allowing them to manufacture product, but InvestIndustrial has made the decision to sell, so that takes priority). "It's business, strictly business."
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A business is generally valued by its turnover and profitability, both past and forecast, if Ducati delay in selling bikes (especially ones that are going for full list price) then the forecast revenue will be hit and for sure will give any prospective buyer some leverage to negotiate the value of the company down..

The costly part of bringing a new product to market is the R&D and marketing (this is now behind them) the production cost is far less significant, as the suppliers will be bankrolling the company with extended payment terms for parts delivered.
In fact I would expect that Ducati have the money in the bank from sales far before the suppliers are paid, this in turn positively inflates the cash flow of Ducati, enhancing the market value of the company.

My opinion is, Ducati want to increase the output of sold bikes for all the reasons given above......
 
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Chuck said:
Hardly ukrr, you are in the U.K., I'm in the U.S., so I really don't think your canceled order would result in that bike being delivered to me. I'm not advising anyone do anything, nor am I being negative, merely giving factual information. Choose to believe it or not; not to sound abrasive, but I really don't care; however, it is factual. Go back and look at any comment I've made, you'll see that it's proven within several days thereafter. What is disturbing to everyone is perhaps the realization that the owners are seeking to sell out at a time where we are all impatient to receive an arguably great superbike, and that the production and delivery delays are because the owners don't want to continue dumping in more of their cash (I certainly don't blame them, it's hard to suck up paying salaries to line workers but hold back allowing them to manufacture product, but InvestIndustrial has made the decision to sell, so that takes priority). "It's business, strictly business."
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According to Australian MCN Ducati has actually been for sale since 19th Dec 2008, when they delisted at the Milan Stock exchange and it was some pull from Bonomi Snr that got it printed in the London Financial Times on Feb 11 to coincide with the release of the Panigale......no mean feat !

So from what I can gather all is good at Ducati and bikes will arrive on planned dates, which for me downunder is last week in April, which I have always been told.
 
Just keep on looking out for the aftermarket parts of the Panigale. Im sure time will fly....and before you know it, your Panigale has arrived at your local dealer.. ;) Patience...... :D:D
 

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