BrenTuning Flash Development (Tech Talk)

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miker1 said:
It seems like Brentune concentrates more on the Bmw products. I was not happy with the flash on my v4 and have gone back to the termi upmap. we will leave it at that its a long story.
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we’d love to hear your story.

Brenn on my 1299 has been excellent
 
///SLR-TUNING said:
Found this guy's, Be aware!!
Www.Brentunings.com
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I personally had a run in with them and their terrible customer service .

I had the privilege to view and Bren map extracted with a woolich software and what a joke ... 775.00 they charge for what ? Perhaps Better throttle response that rapid bike can do the same from less , dyno your Bren tuned bikes .


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alvarop said:
dyno your Bren tuned bikes .
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I know this is the V4 area, and I am interested in tuning for V4 as well, but my 1299 does have much better smoothness at lower revs and seems to run a bit cooler.

Brenn wants $500 for a Dyno tune (I have their handheld flashing unit already) and they want the bike for 2 days.

I am very interested in Woolich for V4 at this point.

what abt @vcyclenut ??? Their tune is half of Brenn I think
 
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endodoc said:
Right now there isn’t a Woolich solution for the V4 and no plans to do one.
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that’s pretty lame.

My service writer said “all you need is Akra and UpMap. No need for ECU flash like was necessary on the big twins”

I want a brand new V4 and I want it under warranty
 
Everyone throws all this terminology around like they know what the heck it means. No disrespect to anyone but you are going to need to do a little basic homework in order to identify what it is you hope to achieve by altering the OEM engine management configuration in the bike that you have. Most of these "maps" unless specifically done manually via a dyno or manipulated through auto tune are canned (copied) from someone else. You could have 4 flash products from different companies all using the same flash/map. The problem has always been the end user has no idea what the stock map looks like and no idea what the up-map, flash, remap etc look like and to add to the confusion, 99% of purchasers have no idea what the engine mapping nomenclature means anyhow. I have seen first hand now a couple of "maps" that were a re-canned" Akra flash. Nothing more. So when you buy a tuning solution, how do you verify what you received? In the case of the 99s the ignition mapping and the fuel mapping do have to factor emissions. Factoring emissions, the factory tune makes compromises and in the case of the 99s, the bikes have stalling issues among other things. What the factory up-map does is factor the changes that the different exhaust system has on the fueling. It is not some super tuning upgrade. The Bren tune for the 99s at least the ones we have looked at make changes to the ignition map. We could not tell that any of the fuel mapping was different comparing the OEM map to the Bren map. With these ignition changes, the bike for sure runs better and has been cured of its stalling woes but it is definitely not optimized from a performance perspective past that. Did Bren actually build that map? Who the hell knows. I believe the adaptive tuning is the best solution hands down if you really want to optimally "TUNE" your bike. You have full access to graphic representation of your base map and all the subsequent changes that are made both statically and dynamically and you can build as many maps as you want and tune whatever variables you want when you want and best of all, you own it. If the business model warrants, Woolich would probably build something. With regard to my personal experience with Bren, I bought their stuff. I used their (or whoever) maps a a base map for my Woolich build. All I can say from my experience aside from what was already said about the map itself was that Bren was a bit disingenuous in its representation of its products on multiple occasions. Nuff said. I have moved on. I still use the Bren box (repackaged and sold for a lot more) to look at any diagnostic codes but I am now suspect there as well. I will be doing some tests by purposely faulting some things and see if the Bren diag jives with what we physically do. Stay safe, wash your hands
 
endodoc said:
Everyone throws all this terminology around like they know what the heck it means. No disrespect to anyone but you are going to need to do a little basic homework in order to identify what it is you hope to achieve by altering the OEM engine management configuration in the bike that you have. Most of these "maps" unless specifically done manually via a dyno or manipulated through auto tune are canned (copied) from someone else. You could have 4 flash products from different companies all using the same flash/map. The problem has always been the end user has no idea what the stock map looks like and no idea what the up-map, flash, remap etc look like and to add to the confusion, 99% of purchasers have no idea what the engine mapping nomenclature means anyhow. I have seen first hand now a couple of "maps" that were a re-canned" Akra flash. Nothing more. So when you buy a tuning solution, how do you verify what you received? In the case of the 99s the ignition mapping and the fuel mapping do have to factor emissions. Factoring emissions, the factory tune makes compromises and in the case of the 99s, the bikes have stalling issues among other things. What the factory up-map does is factor the changes that the different exhaust system has on the fueling. It is not some super tuning upgrade. The Bren tune for the 99s at least the ones we have looked at make changes to the ignition map. We could not tell that any of the fuel mapping was different comparing the OEM map to the Bren map. With these ignition changes, the bike for sure runs better and has been cured of its stalling woes but it is definitely not optimized from a performance perspective past that. Did Bren actually build that map? Who the hell knows. I believe the adaptive tuning is the best solution hands down if you really want to optimally "TUNE" your bike. You have full access to graphic representation of your base map and all the subsequent changes that are made both statically and dynamically and you can build as many maps as you want and tune whatever variables you want when you want and best of all, you own it. If the business model warrants, Woolich would probably build something. With regard to my personal experience with Bren, I bought their stuff. I used their (or whoever) maps a a base map for my Woolich build. All I can say from my experience aside from what was already said about the map itself was that Bren was a bit disingenuous in its representation of its products on multiple occasions. Nuff said. I have moved on. I still use the Bren box (repackaged and sold for a lot more) to look at any diagnostic codes but I am now suspect there as well. I will be doing some tests by purposely faulting some things and see if the Bren diag jives with what we physically do. Stay safe, wash your hands
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Awesome !


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I want to make it clear that i'm not bashing anyone or anyone building maps/tunes etc and I am absolutely a novice when it comes to this stuff especially after staring at all those dam graphs, charts, scales etc. There is a reason race teams employ a full time guy to do this stuff. Anyhow a major takeaway is you have two camps. One camp is "my bike runs like ...., I got a (whoever flash) and it runs better. Done deal. Camp two wants to actually tune their bike for optimum performance. If all these "map" guys are doing legitimate "in house" R&D and actually have specific unique tunes and better yet, not just make and model specific but customer nuanced specific then make that data available to the buyer. He paid for the damn thing and don't start with "proprietary BS. This ain't for the trophy, if you’re at that level you’re using MM or Motec and this conversation is mute. This has been a "buy it on faith" purchase for a long time. Time to legitimize this piece.
 
///SLR-TUNING said:
Hello mate I flash the V4s as well , but that Unit u have is already locked to their slave tuning box and u can't use it with Noone else for tuning. Hope this issue can be changed in the future otherwise I would have email you a free map for u to test that I made for a local V4 here in South Fl . Follow me on IG @slrtuning.
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What hardware/software are you using to tune a V4. I currently don't see anything out there available for sale that lets the customer read and adjust the ECU tables on a V4.
 
That’s my question as well. You have to have access to the OEM map to mod. How are you accessing the Continental ECU
 
endodoc said:
Most of these "maps" unless specifically done manually via a dyno or manipulated through auto tune are canned (copied) from someone else.
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Now I know what ppl meant when they said “canned”

Thanks for the write up. You think Woolich is the way to go on my 1299?
have you looked at UpMap vs stock vs tuned before? My bike with Brenn is so much nicer at lower revs than with upmap

I’m also wondering abt the UpMap on the V4. I’d love to just have it UpMapd and retain warranty so I’m not on the hook $1,700 when the battery fails

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endodoc said:
Time to legitimize this piece.
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I’ll gladly have my bike run on the Dyno and make the info available

maybe one of the Woolich experts can help build me a better tune
Someone was recommending not using O2 sensors anymore?
 
endodoc said:
1299 or the V4?
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1299 for now, I’d like to have a V4 in my possession as soon as this nightmare is over
I will make info available so we can get the ball rolling. I’d love to just be able to plug in a DimSport handheld and load on a flash

there’s one inbound to my dealer w my name on it. When it will arrive??? After the dealerships are allowed to reopen their sales floors

I’d like to have PHL modify the factory exhaust, so it’ll be exciting to have a custom map
 

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