BrenTuning Flash Development (Tech Talk)

Gogoggansgo · Mar 25, 2021

I’m currently waiting on the base map from bren for the SF. I will report back the process and how its going

also he wants me to pull the black box fuse every time i flash the bike, at first i went hell no what a pain in the ass but it took a whole 5 mins of my time. I’m extremely excited to see if he lives up to the hype like he does with the bmw guys

we shall see dyno testing coming soon

Gogoggansgo · Mar 25, 2021

RickD996 said:
The Dim Sport does have limitations, it doesn't access everything. SLR mapped me a quick action throttle, and fuelling maps. But either he couldn't, or wouldn't, adjust the traction maps. So, maybe the velocity stacks aren't available with the software too? He was able to adjust the rpm limit.

all tuning platforms have some sort of limitations. With dimsport it seems anything outside of the engines configs, isn’t possible. So if you think bren can dial in the traction control like Cobb does it’s not going to happen. Honestly it would tickle me to see more tuning support for the euro brands in general. Someone like bren could definitely make a market for tuning the traction control systems as an add on. Kinda like when you car has a stand alone transmission ecu like most DCTs do. There is a huge market for DCT tuning

g1141900 · Mar 25, 2021

Not everything can be tuned by the ECU. As for the V4 Panigale, the electronic gearbox (up/down shutter cut off time etc ...) and traction controls are managed by BBS. DUCATI's V4 machines are smart. The DUCATI V4 can't really perform without BBS tuning. The EVO2 from DUCATI Performance is a good example. It's just that if you want to stick with maximum speed and horsepower, whatever you use, it's all about comparing acorns.

craig bush · Mar 25, 2021

g1141900 said:
gearbox (up/down shutter cut off time etc ...) and traction controls are managed by BBS.

BBS?

Gogoggansgo · Mar 25, 2021

craig bush said:
BBS?

Black box system
Bren has me pull the fuse when i flash the bike, not a big deal but shows nobody but ducati can get into it

g1141900 · Mar 25, 2021

craig bush said:
BBS?

Black box system
Bren has me pull the fuse when i flash the bike, not a big deal but shows nobody but ducati can get into it

g1141900 · Mar 25, 2021

Using a program from Italia Rexxer, I rewrote both the BBS and the ECU. The data is the same as the EVO2 from DUCATI Performance.
The ECU has been rewritten with D2630U1IABACL1 for akrapovic full exhaust and the BBS has been rewritten with Number67 (slick tire version). The dash board has not been changed, but the difference is only in the appearance and the function itself is EVO2 from Performance.

EVO2 software - slick / race rain tyre use only ?

Guys I just called Frasers asking about the EVO2 software install for my 2018 V4S which I use on road and at track days, and they advise against doing it. Checking the Ducati website it now appears to recommend this only for race slick / rain tyres. DTC Evo 2 Frasers says hardly anyone has paid...

ducatiforum.com

The blen system uses a POWER GATE 3 based terminal, so you should be able to access and reprogram the BBS depending on your programming. Dimsport trasdata should have that capability too.

g1141900 · Mar 25, 2021

craig bush said:
BBS?

It is a device called BLACK BOX UNIT. The BBS is an ECU. Dash boards, abs and imu are ECUs as well. The left switch box is also connected with the LIN bus, so you can say it is an ECU in a sense.

craig bush · Mar 25, 2021

g1141900 said:
It is a device called BLACK BOX UNIT. The BBS is an ECU. Dash boards, abs and imu are ECUs as well. The left switch box is also connected with the LIN bus, so you can say it is an ECU in a sense.

Thanks! I appreciate the insight.

What does the bbs do?

Gogoggansgo · Mar 25, 2021

craig bush said:
Thanks! I appreciate the insight.

What does the bbs do?

It’s literally a black box lmfao it’s the core function of the bike

craig bush · Mar 25, 2021

Gogoggansgo said:
It’s literally a black box lmfao it’s the core function of the bike

So, it’s a data logger for post-accident analysis?

brad8266 · Mar 25, 2021

Gogoggansgo said:
Black box system
Bren has me pull the fuse when i flash the bike, not a big deal but shows nobody but ducati can get into it

You can buy the bench tuner option from dimsport or alien and you can break into a lot on the ECU and tweak almost anything. Very pricey though to buy, at least 3k and you need to know what you’re doing.

BP PanigaleV4S · Mar 25, 2021

craig bush said:
So, it’s a data logger for post-accident analysis?

No, it controls the ABS, DTC etc. I’m not aware of any data logging. If you unplug it the bike will start but will have error messages galore.

craig bush · Mar 25, 2021

bp_SFV4 said:
No, it controls the ABS, DTC etc. I’m not aware of any data logging. If you unplug it the bike will start but will have error messages galore.

Ok. So, what was Gogo trying to say here?:

Gogoggansgo said:
It’s literally a black box lmfao it’s the core function of the bike

BP PanigaleV4S · Mar 25, 2021

Its a black rectangle-ish shape. I think he meant a literal black box as in shape, not as in flight recorder.

Don14R · Mar 25, 2021

RickD996 said:
SLR Tuning and Brentune both use devices made by an Italian company, DimSport.

Essentially, it's a handheld device which can read and flash the V4 ECU. But you need the software to program the device, which is where SLR and Brent Brentune come in.

They send you a handheld device, it reads your ecu. You send this file to SLR or Bren, they rewrite it (flash file), send it back to you, and you load it onto the handheld device, and then onto your ecu.

I think Rexxer also offer a similar device.

Damn my mind is made up. Never want to own anything newer than what I have now. Thx.

MoTec is expensive. I know it works great for fuel and ignition. Does it have traction and wheelie control tho? @Mick1976

craig bush · Mar 25, 2021

Don14R said:
Damn my mind is made up. Never want to own anything newer than what I have now. Thx.

MoTec is expensive. I know it works great for fuel and ignition. Does it have traction and wheelie control tho? @Mick1976

Per the SBU build, it does (many other configurable I/O’s for those inclined to collect data - suspension travel, tire temp and pressures, etc...). Pretty sure Maxxecu and Racetech do as well (both popular in the drag community).

Interesting that you don’t see standalone engine management as often in the bike community as in the auto community (where it’s common place).

Don14R · Mar 25, 2021

BSB makes em run MoTec

Per rules no tc or wc

I thought it was cuz it didn’t have those features

Imagine riding one of those things 25 more hp than we got and not being allowed tc or wc : )

craig bush · Mar 25, 2021

Don14R said:
Imagine riding one of those things 25 more hp than we got and not being allowed tc or wc : )

Longer swingarm and more anti-squat maybe.

MoTec is popular in the Supra and turbo Viper communities too. It’ll control basically anything you want it too - TC, LC, bump box, wheelie control (for cars, lol), etc...

Don14R · Mar 25, 2021

For drag cars I think it was the first company to get crazy with it. ProStreet class all had MoTec 20 years ago. Bikes shortly thereafter. Now like you said racetec on everything

Definitely longer arm. Would be a blast to race. Til that first fast high side : )

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