BrenTuning Flash Development (Tech Talk)

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lamb00j said:
do one set up this way, stock vs with brentuning... this is where the idea if its worth $1300 comes in to be honest. Them have the dyno pulls with the other bikes for fun as that is all they will be.

But again, either you, or brentuning should reach out to EDR Performance for a good non-biased 3rd party dyno pull on products if this cant be accommodated.

I have the V4R with the Arka, I like it but am always willing to do more. But 1300 is a bit steep if it doesnt do much.. that is why I (like others i am sure) would like to see some real world, real time data for this. I loved my RapidBike Race on my 1199 (i am blessed to live close to yamans shop for easy tech and installs) but i am always in the market for something great
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The shop an hour away is independent. I don't need to go to Oregon for a place to dyno my bike. They have perfectly competent dyno operators around here. That will be coming soon.

Rogue said:
Don't worry lamb, my friends at ASO knew that Bren had a history of deleting anything that wasn't in line with their agenda so they uploaded screenshots.
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Please stop trying to derail this thread to S1000RR's. No one cares about them on a V4 thread and it's completely off topic.

990Glen said:
Think we need to rename this thread BrenTuning Flash Development (Trash Talk) instead. :D:D
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Seriously lol. It's really only two people trying to get off topic constantly. They can either get back on topic or be ignored at this point.
 
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teh1337ftw said:
Seriously lol. It's really only two people trying to get off topic constantly. They can either get back on topic or be ignored at this point.
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You're right Troy, let's get back on topic.

teh1337ftw said:
That will be dependent on how much dyno time we are allowed. Adding tunes and resetting adaptations will take 4-6 pulls more on each bike I do it with. I will ask and see if they're interested but it's ultimately up to motorcycle.com. Worst case scenario I have friends that have a dyno about an hour away that I can use to test exactly that.
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On FB you said you own a dyno. Why are there so many holes in your story? You seem to leave several questions unanswered so I'll just compile all of them here.


endodoc said:
Well, I guess my point is in there somewhere. They don't send you any data. Their PC software does not allow you to view bin files. How do you know what you paid for? Where is the side by side between the base and the Bren tune in a visual format so the buyer can see what they just spent a few hundred bucks on?
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Rogue said:
Why would a company refuse to sell their tune to an individual? Seems like there's more to the story there. It's not like Val was a one off case.
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Rogue said:
Why is the tune encrypted and why can't myself or my tuner view/change the tables? Shouldn't I at least be able to view the data?
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Rogue said:
Hey Troy, why would I send you my ECU if you're just a happy customer? Your hole is getting deeper.
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Rogue said:
Wait, I thought Ed was Shiv? Why would he buy a product from a competitor? How do you know what he's bought anyway? I thought you were just another customer?
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spinkick said:
Dont you do web design for them or am I mistaking you for someone else? If I am, I apologize. Troy Gleason right?
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Make up your mind. It's Chris or Troy or none of the above. Please post where I said I owned a dyno on here.


Again, WAY off topic.


Thanks
 
teh1337ftw said:
Make up your mind. It's Chris or Troy or none of the above. Please post where I said I owned a dyno on here.


Again, WAY off topic.


Thanks
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Are you illiterate? Where in this thread have I called you Chris? I've called you Troy this entire thread. Because we know it's you, Troy Gleason. You're the only one being shady by neither confirming or denying who you are or what role you play in regards to BT. Way to deflect.

Those questions are directly aimed at the very subject of this thread, BrenTuning. So how are they off topic? I said that you claimed to have a dyno on FB, which you did. I don't have the time or want to dig through all of your bs but it's in the link I posted above. Lot's of my, I, and mine from you in there.

Congrats on becoming the Austin Racing of the tuning world.
 
Rogue said:
Are you illiterate? Where in this thread have I called you Chris? I've called you Troy this entire thread. Because we know it's you, Troy Gleason. You're the only one being shady by neither confirming or denying who you are or what role you play in regards to BT. Way to deflect.

Those questions are directly aimed at the very subject of this thread, BrenTuning. So how are they off topic? I said that you claimed to have a dyno on FB, which you did. I don't have the time or want to dig through all of your bs but it's in the link I posted above. Lot's of my, I, and mine from you in there.

Congrats on becoming the Austin Racing of the tuning world.
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Off topic again

Congrats on the tin foil hat theories you have there. When you own a V4 come back and talk. Till then this isn't where the 1299 guys talk about tuning their bikes with RB. If you need help getting back there, I can send you a link.

Stay salty ;)
 
I don't see a username as the end all be all of someone's identity and nor should you.

You're aware of "Leet Speak"? It's actually a popular username to have teh1337.

Again, this has nothing to do with tuning V4's and I would ask that people get back to topic because this has nothing to do with who I am nor am I interested in sharing that info for the world to know. My name has nothing to do with flashing bikes or tuning them. It will just put a target on me for the haters in the group here.
 
After riding my bike with the BT flash.
Much better midrange ( midrange was bad with Upmap and akro)
Better top end
No stalling
easier start up
Maybe still a bit lean on on/off throttle at lower rpm

Back on the topic
 
teh1337ftw said:
It will just put a target on me for the haters in the group here.
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Well you seem to have done a fine job of that already, aaaaaaanyways........ back on topic as the gentleman just said.

Forget all the other ...., for me to go for this I want numbers, not a guestimate of 10% better, I want graphs that aren't just generated in MS paint, I want to see actual runs and real world results........ that also means I don't run on rocket fuel from day to day!

Get some good runs, good comparisons with real results then you'll start winning customers, simple
 
Mutt1979 said:
Well you seem to have done a fine job of that already, aaaaaaanyways........ back on topic as the gentleman just said.

Forget all the other ...., for me to go for this I want numbers, not a guestimate of 10% better, I want graphs that aren't just generated in MS paint, I want to see actual runs and real world results........ that also means I don't run on rocket fuel from day to day!

Get some good runs, good comparisons with real results then you'll start winning customers, simple
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This^^^^^^^^^^
 
Mutt1979 said:
Well you seem to have done a fine job of that already, aaaaaaanyways........ back on topic as the gentleman just said.

Forget all the other ...., for me to go for this I want numbers, not a guestimate of 10% better, I want graphs that aren't just generated in MS paint, I want to see actual runs and real world results........ that also means I don't run on rocket fuel from day to day!

Get some good runs, good comparisons with real results then you'll start winning customers, simple
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Next Friday is the scheduled date with Motorcycle.com in LA. This has been delayed due to the termi bike having so many issues and being at ducati service for weeks on end. He's now dropping out of the dyno day so I'm bringing three v4's to test there. There will be an article as well that they do.
 
I missed a lot on my vacation.

I was truly disappointed...but i wasn't expecting the moon from bren tuning. I know they promised a lot in their ads but being in Hawaii, with the humidity and heat...i was expecting lower numbers...just not that low. Yes i got a 5hp gain. Same dyno. same dealer. same tire pressures. Only difference was Bren, full akra, and the expensive sprint filter.

Jaret Campisi had the same setup as me, except with the akra instead of the bren tuning and made just a hair under 200whp in the heat of east coast summer. We started at about the same baseline. The vids of Akra flash vs bren flash back to back with the gains shown, i had hopes of barely cracking that 200whp number.

I'm working with bren to see if there is more they can do.

They requested the before and after dyno graphs so they can make adjustments to the flash. I have to go back to the dealer and get those and ill see where it goes. I also have the option of running 100 octane. So might do another run with that to see what happens. I probably should wait till the ambient temp in the dyno room is less than 94F.

I am hopeful that my solution may be some additional tuning of the flash.
 
94F but you’re at sea level too so don’t expect to find much more joy. Bren can’t look at dyno numbers (unless you have A/F numbers) and magically make more hp unless they sent you bad data from the beginning. Bren makes wild claims but they aren’t reproduceable in the real world.
 
FlatlineEF9 said:
I missed a lot on my vacation.

I was truly disappointed...but i wasn't expecting the moon from bren tuning. I know they promised a lot in their ads but being in Hawaii, with the humidity and heat...i was expecting lower numbers...just not that low. Yes i got a 5hp gain. Same dyno. same dealer. same tire pressures. Only difference was Bren, full akra, and the expensive sprint filter.

Jaret Campisi had the same setup as me, except with the akra instead of the bren tuning and made just a hair under 200whp in the heat of east coast summer. We started at about the same baseline. The vids of Akra flash vs bren flash back to back with the gains shown, i had hopes of barely cracking that 200whp number.

I'm working with bren to see if there is more they can do.

They requested the before and after dyno graphs so they can make adjustments to the flash. I have to go back to the dealer and get those and ill see where it goes. I also have the option of running 100 octane. So might do another run with that to see what happens. I probably should wait till the ambient temp in the dyno room is less than 94F.

I am hopeful that my solution may be some additional tuning of the flash.
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can you post the back to back charts overlayed?
 
Teh1337ftw

I will. I have to get a second printout from the dealer because the first baseline runs were in 4th gear.

The second runs, after exhaust, bren, and filter were in 4th but he mentioned i might get more power in 5th. Got like 1.1 more hp. So the printout he gave me was the baseline in 4th and the modded 5th gear. Not a good comparison.

i saw the two graphs with the 4th gear runs and the operator said it was a consistent 5hpish across the band.
 
Blackbrush said:
94F but you're at sea level too so don't expect to find much more joy. Bren can't look at dyno numbers (unless you have A/F numbers) and magically make more hp unless they sent you bad data from the beginning. Bren makes wild claims but they aren't reproduceable in the real world.
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I can hope. lol. or wait till our "winter" when its a brisk 65 degrees at 10am
 
FlatlineEF9 said:
Teh1337ftw

I will. I have to get a second printout from the dealer because the first baseline runs were in 4th gear.

The second runs, after exhaust, bren, and filter were in 4th but he mentioned i might get more power in 5th. Got like 1.1 more hp. So the printout he gave me was the baseline in 4th and the modded 5th gear. Not a good comparison.

i saw the two graphs with the 4th gear runs and the operator said it was a consistent 5hpish across the band.
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If you can have them send the graph from both the same gears it would help. It's concerning that they picked different gears for before and after. Very odd.
 
Can we just get a simple before and after dyno graph?

That's really the only thing that's going to convince me to spend any money.

This must have been done at some point if they are claiming any benefit. If you can't compare the final product to the stock mapping how can you possibly claim it's better?
 
burton said:
Can we just get a simple before and after dyno graph?

That's really the only thing that's going to convince me to spend any money.

This must have been done at some point if they are claiming any benefit. If you can't compare the final product to the stock mapping how can you possibly claim it's better?
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They've done it on their own dyno but everyone wants to see completely independent results and I provided those from here in SoCal with a random shop. That graph is up.

Now I'm going to go to motorcycle.com and do it there
 
FlatlineEF9 said:
I missed a lot on my vacation.

I was truly disappointed...but i wasn't expecting the moon from bren tuning. I know they promised a lot in their ads but being in Hawaii, with the humidity and heat...i was expecting lower numbers...just not that low. Yes i got a 5hp gain. Same dyno. same dealer. same tire pressures. Only difference was Bren, full akra, and the expensive sprint filter.

Jaret Campisi had the same setup as me, except with the akra instead of the bren tuning and made just a hair under 200whp in the heat of east coast summer. We started at about the same baseline. The vids of Akra flash vs bren flash back to back with the gains shown, i had hopes of barely cracking that 200whp number.

I'm working with bren to see if there is more they can do.

They requested the before and after dyno graphs so they can make adjustments to the flash. I have to go back to the dealer and get those and ill see where it goes. I also have the option of running 100 octane. So might do another run with that to see what happens. I probably should wait till the ambient temp in the dyno room is less than 94F.

I am hopeful that my solution may be some additional tuning of the flash.
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I'd like to see you do a dyno run on bren, then a dyno run on akra and post the difference. Same day of course.


I have not seen bren post from their dyno stock exhaust stock tune then same day the graph for stock exhaust bren tune.

Another option is a drag race with the above bikes, do a few runs, swap bikes, do a few runs, take the average and compare.

I know that an independent one is coming, but why is this comparison not the first thing you see on their website?

Last, why is this flash 1300 dollars, is there something more better than a cob tune for a subaru or a panigale 1199, etc? How do canned tunes cost different, is it the Ducati tax basically?
 
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