BrenTuning Flash Development (Tech Talk)

Rogue said:

Phl won't shut it down. He's better than that. I'd leave this up for anyone in the market for a tune.

Troy, I don't think you could've hung yourself any better. The best part of this whole ordeal is if you had just come in hear and said Hey, I'm a BT employee/promoter/representative/influencer, whatever. Our tune will improve the bike's overall power and feel. Here's a little bit about it etc. You would've been fine. You might've had a few guys bitching about a gaining minimal amount of peak power given the amount of money you're charging for a canned tune but hey, at least you delivered as advertised.

But instead, in typical Bren fashion they have to throw in the bs claims (i.e.10% peak hp gains). Anyone who questions it is called ignorant, not mechanically inclined, and apparently no one but Bren knows how to run a dyno. It's always the same old .... Troy.

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Funny that the people that actually have experience with BrenTuning don't have bad things to say here. It's the people that don't have experience talking though..

First, we just got the box a few weeks ago and didn't have the bike finished to fire until recently. Additionally, we are working with multiple pieces of equipment and software platforms and have not concluded the testing. The purpose of the "hack", if you will, is to establish the validity of what is being sold vs what is being delivered. You buy a map from someplace and if you are not able to compare the stock build to the mod then you have no idea what you paid for. This setup allowed me to look at the changes that were sent by the map provider and compare them to the stock map that was in the bike prior to the download of the aftermarket map. It then allows me to compare what the vendor said they sent to what was actually sent. I never one time said that the Bren tune was bad nor did I ever say that the Bren tune was not better than baseline. That is not the point of contention. The point of contention is, did you pay for goods and or services and not receive what you paid for. Simple as that. As far as posting the contents of what we received in a public forum, I have not had legal look at the contract with the mfg with regard to disclosure if there even is any verbiage pertaining to that however if anyone wants a list of the changes that were made to the base map that we received, PM or email me.

teh1337ftw said:

Funny that the people that actually have experience with BrenTuning don't have bad things to say here. It's the people that don't have experience talking though..

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Huh? I thought Ed bought it. We're going in circles now.

teh1337ftw said:

How did I "confirm" I'm associated in any way other than being a customer?

I've been waiting since the post you put up on the 24th where you said you would have comparisons from the bren file to stock. Please, post it here. You're the only person that has access to the stock file so please help the community.

What program did you use to read it out of the ECU? What was the process? For the stock file. I'm more curious how you got the stock bin to be honest.

What's the name of the shop? It would be easier to find than sending me landmarks. I'd be happy to visit. You're down the street. But also please post up answers to my questions. I'm very curious.

Thanks!

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Dont you do web design for them or am I mistaking you for someone else? If I am, I apologize. Troy Gleason right? You were arguing with Shiv on facebook about his tuner and calling him out on the validity of his tuner.

Man, we just want to see results with a stock bike with before and after on the same day with a stock pipe. If it shows results (better throttle response, more power) then we are good.

Folks just want to know what the relationship is with you and the company. We all would love data, but we also need to know for ourselves who is presenting all of this to make a good decision.

teh1337ftw said:

So basically everything you say can't be backed up by facts but you only cherry pick what you think can hurt anyone trying to get the mapping.

$250 for software and individual EGT tuning? Where? haha. Get what you pay for with that. 8 hours of work for $250 isn't worth it for anyone with a career in the field on tuning.

Unless YOU yourself have actual facts about YOUR OWN experience with brentuning, I suggest you stop talking about them because you're clueless. You don't understand tuning, you don't understand Brentuning, you don't understand software and you sure don't know Ducati's in general.

I'm happy to have an adult conversation with you but you refuse to have one. Wish you the best, Shiv.

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Where did I say individual EGT tuning? I said you can get a dyno tune for $250. I didn't mention any brands but you can get this done at a number of shops in my area via Rexxer. $250 plus the base dyno run. I'll bet dollars to donuts it makes more than 5 hp.

Since you still seem to think that I'm somehow associated with this Shiv guy and continually accuse me of knowing nothing about tuning (and now Ducati's in general, this just keeps getting better) let me share my setup with you:

Race Module: https://rapidbike.us/products/rb-racing-ducati-panigale-1299-s

WB o2's x2: https://rapidbike.us/products/my-tuning-bike-can-bus-auto-tuning-module

MyTune: https://rapidbike.us/products/youtune

Rexxer tune to turn off the OEM o2's

So I'd like to think I take tuning fairly seriously. Most are okay with slapping a generic, canned tune on their bike but I knew I could do better. I don't know many others that care about data logging. Now I know I don't know anything about Ducati's and tuning but you can do a search and find my build thread. I've only been on the forum and working on these bikes since 2013. Again, you're doing wonders for Bren's reputation.

I had never even heard of Shiv until the Aprilia forum. He's never been mentioned here. Does he do Ducati tunes?

teh1337ftw said:

If you mean post a private conversation between me and another member? I will have to decline. That may be something you would do but there's a reason it was a private message and not a post. I will gladly respect their anonymity.

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teh1337ftw said:

Again, PM's are key . I'll happily post your address and phone number if you don't believe me. This person sent me your info and said you're a paying customer. The fact that you didn't contest it means it's 100% true, so thanks for clarifying.

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Posting for posterity.

Rogue said:

Posting for posterity.

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We're all just waiting for the side-by-side comparisons. Everything else is getting sidetracked.

Rogue said:

Where did I say individual EGT tuning? I said you can get a dyno tune for $250. I didn't mention any brands but you can get this done at a number of shops in my area via Rexxer. $250 plus the base dyno run. I'll bet dollars to donuts it makes more than 5 hp.

Since you still seem to think that I'm somehow associated with this Shiv guy and continually accuse me of knowing nothing about tuning (and now Ducati's in general, this just keeps getting better) let me share my setup with you:

Race Module: https://rapidbike.us/products/rb-racing-ducati-panigale-1299-s

WB o2's x2: https://rapidbike.us/products/my-tuning-bike-can-bus-auto-tuning-module

MyTune: https://rapidbike.us/products/youtune

Rexxer tune to turn off the OEM o2's

So I'd like to think I take tuning fairly seriously. Most are okay with slapping a generic, canned tune on their bike but I knew I could do better. I don't know many others that care about data logging. Now I know I don't know anything about Ducati's and tuning but you can do a search and find my build thread. I've only been on the forum and working on these bikes since 2013. Again, you're doing wonders for Bren's reputation.

I had never even heard of Shiv until the Aprilia forum. He's never been mentioned here. Does he do Ducati tunes?

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You're going to tell me you encourage wideband tuning on a panigale? Explain why, please.

Anyone who wants the side by side between the stock map and what Bren delivered, PM me. Happy to share. There, we are not waiting anymore. And our legal dept will be talking to Bren in the AM regarding their business practices of sharing customer information which was verified by you not only stating that you know what I purchased but also the personal info under which it was purchased.

teh1337ftw said:

You're going to tell me you encourage wideband tuning on a panigale? Explain why, please.

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LOL. You won't have a true auto tune without them. Also, narrow-band sensors are only accurate at 14.7/1 AFR. Pretty worthless if you want to tune the motor to run at 13.2/1. There are several of us on the forum running wide band setups.

Here's some reading material for you bud:

http://ducatiforum.com/mechanical-technical/19084-how-does-what-does-rapidbike.html

http://ducatiforum.com/ducati-1299/22287-tuneboy-map-feature-1299-panigale-r.html

If you send me one I'll post video of the entire process at a dyno. Stock pull, video of flash, brentune'd pull. My bike has the higher flow filter (not the gp 250 dollar one)

endodoc said:

Anyone who wants the side by side between the stock map and what Bren delivered, PM me. Happy to share. There, we are not waiting anymore. And our legal dept will be talking to Bren in the AM regarding their business practices of sharing customer information which was verified by you not only stating that you know what I purchased but also the personal info under which it was purchased.

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Go ahead and send it on over. Thanks.

Rogue said:

LOL. You won't have a true auto tune without them. Also, narrow-band sensors are only accurate at 14.7/1 AFR. Pretty worthless if you want to tune the motor to run at 13.2/1. There are several of us on the forum running wide band setups.

Here's some reading material for you bud:

http://ducatiforum.com/mechanical-technical/19084-how-does-what-does-rapidbike.html

http://ducatiforum.com/ducati-1299/22287-tuneboy-map-feature-1299-panigale-r.html

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Auto tune? with a QS?.. that tells me you have no idea how to tune these bikes. If you can tell me why I said that, I'll be impressed. Honestly.

Widebands are worthless on these bikes too. You need EGT's on a panigale. They're simple and more accurate.

Oh, and the guy with the Termi exhaust has officially backed out. Motorcycle.com has a tentative date for the 14th to dyno three bikes I'm bringing: a stock v4s, a v4s with exhaust and flash and a v4r stock. I'll have comparisons and dyno charts

endodoc said:

Anyone who wants the side by side between the stock map and what Bren delivered, PM me. Happy to share. There, we are not waiting anymore. And our legal dept will be talking to Bren in the AM regarding their business practices of sharing customer information which was verified by you not only stating that you know what I purchased but also the personal info under which it was purchased.

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I'll be holding my breath while you contact LegalZoom

teh1337ftw said:

Auto tune? with a QS?.. that tells me you have no idea how to tune these bikes. If you can tell me why I said that, I'll be impressed. Honestly.

Widebands are worthless on these bikes too. You need EGT's on a panigale. They're simple and more accurate.

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Then there are dozens of us (mostly racers) on here who are in the wrong and don't know how to tune these bikes. Please educate me on what's wrong with my setup.

It's not like RB is the only auto-tune setup with a QS. You're going to tell me that the tens of thousands of Power Commander users are in the wrong too? Come on Troy.

there are a lot of different way to skin cats not all wrong and all right.

Rogue said:

Then there are dozens of us (mostly racers) on here who are in the wrong and don't know how to tune these bikes. Please educate me on what's wrong with my setup.

It's not like RB is the only auto-tune setup with a QS. You're going to tell me that the tens of thousands of Power Commander users are in the wrong too? Come on Troy.

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This is a V4 section discussing V4's. There is no rapid or auto tuner and if you use two widebands, what software are you tuning with?

Auto Tuners have issues with QS's because of spark cut. The auto tuner sees regular shifting or race shifting as a rich area and tries to correct. Pretty soon you have -40% and massive flat spots while riding that need to be corrected.

Just got back form my first ride with the BT flash. Bike is better everywhere and a rocket