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RapidBike all the way for me, There is no way I would go with these Bren Tuning guys after reading all this dribble and after reading the Aprilia forum stuff combined with this .... it only compounds it.

This teh guy smells of something but not quite sure what. I think Rogue and Endodoc going after this guy is the right thing to do. I have no vested interests but just had to give an outsiders opinion using my ........ detector, if teh thinks his arguments have in any way helped fend off bad publicity he's badly mistaken.

If this teh really has no affiliation with Bren Tuning then I really feel sorry for them having such a tosser involved in the fan boy club.
 
I flashed my v4 with BT a couple of weeks ago. Due to a knee op I havent been able to ride apart from a very short ride prior to the op. I could def feel an improvement where my bike previously had a massive flat spot in the midrange. I only have 500km on my bike so I am not keen to run it on the dyno yet but my bike def feels stronger with the flash and does not stall anymore in 2nd gear
 
So teh1337ftw if you don't work for Bren then how do you know I bought a Bren setup? And you are now saying to Rogue "feel free to send me your ECU so I can help you out"? I thought you were just a guy with a bike but now you can read Mitsubishi ECUs ?Are you now saying that Bren Tuning shared my customer purchase/information with you a non-Bren Tuning employee ? I'm smelling a nice criminal complaint coming with your name all over it. I bought the Bren box for the 1299 and I bought the upgraded service. I bought the pieces so that I could take any Bren file, load it into the mits ecu then download it from the ecu to the desktop and look at the files with other software. I am able to see all of the mods that Bren did to the base map. The description that Bren gives for the 1299 tune plus the additional features sounded good so I wanted to see what they sent me vs what was advertised and the results were not surprising. Let's just say they advertise a lot of things that are just not accurate at least in my case. Also, you may want to educate yourself with the capabilities of other platforms before again making yourself look like a complete ......., again. Right now Bren tuning may be in a bit of a spot and it's not going to end well if what I am in the process of looking at shows what I think it is going to show. In the meantime, it may be a good idea for the mods to shut this down.
 
endodoc said:
So teh1337ftw if you don't work for Bren then how do you know I bought a Bren setup? And you are now saying to Rogue "feel free to send me your ECU so I can help you out"? I thought you were just a guy with a bike but now you can read Mitsubishi ECUs ?Are you now saying that Bren Tuning shared my customer purchase/information with you a non-Bren Tuning employee ? I'm smelling a nice criminal complaint coming with your name all over it. I bought the Bren box for the 1299 and I bought the upgraded service. I bought the pieces so that I could take any Bren file, load it into the mits ecu then download it from the ecu to the desktop and look at the files with other software. I am able to see all of the mods that Bren did to the base map. The description that Bren gives for the 1299 tune plus the additional features sounded good so I wanted to see what they sent me vs what was advertised and the results were not surprising. Let's just say they advertise a lot of things that are just not accurate at least in my case. Also, you may want to educate yourself with the capabilities of other platforms before again making yourself look like a complete ......., again. Right now Bren tuning may be in a bit of a spot and it’s not going to end well if what I am in the process of looking at shows what I think it is going to show. In the meantime, it may be a good idea for the mods to shut this down.
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Thanks for your input.
Help me understand a couple things. You ordered a product to substantiate their claims. You find out this product doesn’t have the features they claim but you don’t share the facts that will help others not make this mistake.

I’m a bit confused? Is there a reason you don’t go line by line with proof showing these guys are a full of it?
 
Rogue said:
I'm dying over here. Who am I a cover for? I've met quite a few of the forum members in person and they can tell you I have absolutely no hand in the bike business. What have I lied about? I never promised a comparison. I said I'll have to wait for Ed. I also never came on a forum with unfounded claims. I'm simply the guy pointing out that they seem to be a common trend with BT.

If guys want to spend $1300-$1600 on a canned tune when they can have better results from a $250 dyno tune then be my guest. Like you said, this is a forum meant to better the community. I'm simply pointing out the facts.

I don't know how you brick an ECU. I've never done it. Just one example where BT has:

https://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/ducati-monster-1200/336985-monster-1200-re-mapping-ecu-4.html

Hey Troy, why would I send you my ECU if you're just a happy customer? Your hole is getting deeper.
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Rogue said:
Because he's one of many that bought it and and was unhappy with the results? I know for a fact that he's using a different fuel management program now.

You ever wonder why every BrenTuning thread ends up this way?
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So basically everything you say can't be backed up by facts but you only cherry pick what you think can hurt anyone trying to get the mapping.

$250 for software and individual EGT tuning? Where? haha. Get what you pay for with that. 8 hours of work for $250 isn't worth it for anyone with a career in the field on tuning.

Unless YOU yourself have actual facts about YOUR OWN experience with brentuning, I suggest you stop talking about them because you're clueless. You don't understand tuning, you don't understand Brentuning, you don't understand software and you sure don't know Ducati's in general.

I'm happy to have an adult conversation with you but you refuse to have one. Wish you the best, Shiv.
 
Phl won't shut it down. He's better than that. I'd leave this up for anyone in the market for a tune.

Troy, I don't think you could've hung yourself any better. The best part of this whole ordeal is if you had just come in hear and said Hey, I'm a BT employee/promoter/representative/influencer, whatever. Our tune will improve the bike's overall power and feel. Here's a little bit about it etc. You would've been fine. You might've had a few guys bitching about a gaining minimal amount of peak power given the amount of money you're charging for a canned tune but hey, at least you delivered as advertised.

But instead, in typical Bren fashion they have to throw in the bs claims (i.e.10% peak hp gains). Anyone who questions it is called ignorant, not mechanically inclined, and apparently no one but Bren knows how to run a dyno. It's always the same old .... Troy.
 
able duc said:
RapidBike all the way for me, There is no way I would go with these Bren Tuning guys after reading all this dribble and after reading the Aprilia forum stuff combined with this .... it only compounds it.

This teh guy smells of something but not quite sure what. I think Rogue and Endodoc going after this guy is the right thing to do. I have no vested interests but just had to give an outsiders opinion using my ........ detector, if teh thinks his arguments have in any way helped fend off bad publicity he's badly mistaken.

If this teh really has no affiliation with Bren Tuning then I really feel sorry for them having such a tosser involved in the fan boy club.
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Thanks for the input, you're a detriment to the community and you're assumptions are comical at best. If you have some facts or experience yourself, please go ahead and interject. If not, have a good day.
 
Rogue said:
Phl won't shut it down. He's better than that. I'd leave this up for anyone in the market for a tune.

Troy, I don't think you could've hung yourself any better. The best part of this whole ordeal is if you had just come in hear and said Hey, I'm a BT employee/promoter/representative/influencer, whatever. Our tune will improve the bike's overall power and feel. Here's a little bit about it etc. You would've been fine. You might've had a few guys bitching about a gaining minimal amount of peak power given the amount of money you're charging for a canned tune but hey, at least you delivered as advertised.

But instead, in typical Bren fashion they have to throw in the bs claims (i.e.10% peak hp gains). Anyone who questions it is called ignorant, not mechanically inclined, and apparently no one but Bren knows how to run a dyno. It's always the same old .... Troy.
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:rolleyes:
 
Funny that the people that actually have experience with BrenTuning don't have bad things to say here. It's the people that don't have experience talking though..
 
First, we just got the box a few weeks ago and didn't have the bike finished to fire until recently. Additionally, we are working with multiple pieces of equipment and software platforms and have not concluded the testing. The purpose of the "hack", if you will, is to establish the validity of what is being sold vs what is being delivered. You buy a map from someplace and if you are not able to compare the stock build to the mod then you have no idea what you paid for. This setup allowed me to look at the changes that were sent by the map provider and compare them to the stock map that was in the bike prior to the download of the aftermarket map. It then allows me to compare what the vendor said they sent to what was actually sent. I never one time said that the Bren tune was bad nor did I ever say that the Bren tune was not better than baseline. That is not the point of contention. The point of contention is, did you pay for goods and or services and not receive what you paid for. Simple as that. As far as posting the contents of what we received in a public forum, I have not had legal look at the contract with the mfg with regard to disclosure if there even is any verbiage pertaining to that however if anyone wants a list of the changes that were made to the base map that we received, PM or email me.
 
teh1337ftw said:
Funny that the people that actually have experience with BrenTuning don't have bad things to say here. It's the people that don't have experience talking though..
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Huh? I thought Ed bought it. We're going in circles now.
 
endodoc said:
So teh1337ftw if you don't work for Bren then how do you know I bought a Bren setup? And you are now saying to Rogue "feel free to send me your ECU so I can help you out"? I thought you were just a guy with a bike but now you can read Mitsubishi ECUs ?Are you now saying that Bren Tuning shared my customer purchase/information with you a non-Bren Tuning employee ? I'm smelling a nice criminal complaint coming with your name all over it. I bought the Bren box for the 1299 and I bought the upgraded service. I bought the pieces so that I could take any Bren file, load it into the mits ecu then download it from the ecu to the desktop and look at the files with other software. I am able to see all of the mods that Bren did to the base map. The description that Bren gives for the 1299 tune plus the additional features sounded good so I wanted to see what they sent me vs what was advertised and the results were not surprising. Let's just say they advertise a lot of things that are just not accurate at least in my case. Also, you may want to educate yourself with the capabilities of other platforms before again making yourself look like a complete ......., again. Right now Bren tuning may be in a bit of a spot and it’s not going to end well if what I am in the process of looking at shows what I think it is going to show. In the meantime, it may be a good idea for the mods to shut this down.
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Again, PM's are key :D. I'll happily post your address and phone number if you don't believe me. This person sent me your info and said you're a paying customer. The fact that you didn't contest it means it's 100% true, so thanks for clarifying.

Go ahead and file your complaint to the BBB lol. You're the only "shop owner" in existence that doesn't want anyone to know the name of his shop or where the shop is.. and I'm the fishy one? LOLOLOL

Like everyone is saying here, put up or shut up. You promised side by side comparisons on a software level.. like I posted. Where are they? We're all waiting. You've had weeks to do this and promised this forum you would have them posted. Why haven't you?

You can keep tripping over your own words as much as you'd like. Fact is you're a proven liar and customer of bren's with some vendetta against him.. even though you bought the product and apparently sung it's praises. So what happened? He wouldn't sponsor you? LOL.

Keep your posts on topic and keep your word.
 
teh1337ftw said:
How did I "confirm" I'm associated in any way other than being a customer?

I've been waiting since the post you put up on the 24th where you said you would have comparisons from the bren file to stock. Please, post it here. You're the only person that has access to the stock file so please help the community.

What program did you use to read it out of the ECU? What was the process? For the stock file. I'm more curious how you got the stock bin to be honest.

What's the name of the shop? It would be easier to find than sending me landmarks. I'd be happy to visit. You're down the street. But also please post up answers to my questions. I'm very curious.

Thanks!
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Dont you do web design for them or am I mistaking you for someone else? If I am, I apologize. Troy Gleason right? You were arguing with Shiv on facebook about his tuner and calling him out on the validity of his tuner.

Man, we just want to see results with a stock bike with before and after on the same day with a stock pipe. If it shows results (better throttle response, more power) then we are good.

Folks just want to know what the relationship is with you and the company. We all would love data, but we also need to know for ourselves who is presenting all of this to make a good decision.
 
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WTF are you talking about? I never denied I was a paying customer. I just stated that in the above post you idiot. What I am asking is what is Bren tuning doing sending you my purchase info? a non-Bren employee? And again, I am not a motorcycle or tuning shop so quit referencing something that has already been clarified.
 
teh1337ftw said:
So basically everything you say can't be backed up by facts but you only cherry pick what you think can hurt anyone trying to get the mapping.

$250 for software and individual EGT tuning? Where? haha. Get what you pay for with that. 8 hours of work for $250 isn't worth it for anyone with a career in the field on tuning.

Unless YOU yourself have actual facts about YOUR OWN experience with brentuning, I suggest you stop talking about them because you're clueless. You don't understand tuning, you don't understand Brentuning, you don't understand software and you sure don't know Ducati's in general.

I'm happy to have an adult conversation with you but you refuse to have one. Wish you the best, Shiv.
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Where did I say individual EGT tuning? I said you can get a dyno tune for $250. I didn't mention any brands but you can get this done at a number of shops in my area via Rexxer. $250 plus the base dyno run. I'll bet dollars to donuts it makes more than 5 hp.

Since you still seem to think that I'm somehow associated with this Shiv guy and continually accuse me of knowing nothing about tuning (and now Ducati's in general, this just keeps getting better) let me share my setup with you:

Race Module: https://rapidbike.us/products/rb-racing-ducati-panigale-1299-s

WB o2's x2: https://rapidbike.us/products/my-tuning-bike-can-bus-auto-tuning-module

MyTune: https://rapidbike.us/products/youtune

Rexxer tune to turn off the OEM o2's

So I'd like to think I take tuning fairly seriously. Most are okay with slapping a generic, canned tune on their bike but I knew I could do better. I don't know many others that care about data logging. Now I know I don't know anything about Ducati's and tuning but you can do a search and find my build thread. I've only been on the forum and working on these bikes since 2013. Again, you're doing wonders for Bren's reputation.

I had never even heard of Shiv until the Aprilia forum. He's never been mentioned here. Does he do Ducati tunes?
 
teh1337ftw said:
If you mean post a private conversation between me and another member? I will have to decline. That may be something you would do but there's a reason it was a private message and not a post. I will gladly respect their anonymity.
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teh1337ftw said:
Again, PM's are key :D. I'll happily post your address and phone number if you don't believe me. This person sent me your info and said you're a paying customer. The fact that you didn't contest it means it's 100% true, so thanks for clarifying.
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Posting for posterity.
 
endodoc said:
WTF are you talking about? I never denied I was a paying customer. I just stated that in the above post you idiot. What I am asking is what is Bren tuning doing sending you my purchase info? a non-Bren employee? And again, I am not a motorcycle or tuning shop so quit referencing something that has already been clarified.
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We're all just waiting for the side-by-side comparisons. Everything else is getting sidetracked.
 
Rogue said:
Where did I say individual EGT tuning? I said you can get a dyno tune for $250. I didn't mention any brands but you can get this done at a number of shops in my area via Rexxer. $250 plus the base dyno run. I'll bet dollars to donuts it makes more than 5 hp.

Since you still seem to think that I'm somehow associated with this Shiv guy and continually accuse me of knowing nothing about tuning (and now Ducati's in general, this just keeps getting better) let me share my setup with you:

Race Module: https://rapidbike.us/products/rb-racing-ducati-panigale-1299-s

WB o2's x2: https://rapidbike.us/products/my-tuning-bike-can-bus-auto-tuning-module

MyTune: https://rapidbike.us/products/youtune

Rexxer tune to turn off the OEM o2's

So I'd like to think I take tuning fairly seriously. Most are okay with slapping a generic, canned tune on their bike but I knew I could do better. I don't know many others that care about data logging. Now I know I don't know anything about Ducati's and tuning but you can do a search and find my build thread. I've only been on the forum and working on these bikes since 2013. Again, you're doing wonders for Bren's reputation.

I had never even heard of Shiv until the Aprilia forum. He's never been mentioned here. Does he do Ducati tunes?
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You're going to tell me you encourage wideband tuning on a panigale? Explain why, please.
 
Anyone who wants the side by side between the stock map and what Bren delivered, PM me. Happy to share. There, we are not waiting anymore. And our legal dept will be talking to Bren in the AM regarding their business practices of sharing customer information which was verified by you not only stating that you know what I purchased but also the personal info under which it was purchased.
 

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