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teh1337ftw said:
I don't know what you're asking me to speak for a bike that was handled 3000 miles away from me and if you're saying it's impossible to make 40whp, you'd be wrong. I've seen bikes with plug or air box issues make more than that over baseline.

I'm asking you to explain because you're posting a bogus dyno for the V4 like it's a fact. You're just making yourself look ignorant doing that. Anyone that is even slightly mechanically inclined will look at that V4 post that you credit and laugh. You should too to be honest.

Please post the members names on here that hate the Bren flash for the V4. Thanks




So basically what you're saying is you won't keep your word to everyone on the forum about posting comparisons, right? But you want me to drive to you.. in a government grant building that you said was in Newport Beach but is actually in Irvine. You're sounding more and more shady as the conversation progresses. If you post what you already said you would post weeks ago, I will be happy to go and see you. Ball is in your court. Stay true to your word. Otherwise as far as I'm concerned you'll try to rob me when I go out to your government building or just not exist.. seeing as your shop doesn't have a name or anything.
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Troy, come on. First you were defending the numbers in the post and now it's "well it was done 3000 miles away from me". In the FB post you were stating what fuel was used, how many miles were on the bike, the conditions of the dyno etc. Again, I'd be happy to post those screen shots if you'd like. 177rwhp sounds about right for a gen 1 S1000RR. I'd say it was a fairly healthy bike with those numbers wouldn't you? But you're really going to tell me that it made 40hp more thanks to Bren's magic tune and no internal mods? There's where you lose your credibility.

Someone who thinks a tune can add 40hp, calling me ignorant. That's rich.

If you'll scroll up to the top of the page you'll see a member who gained a whopping 5hp with your tune with a full exhaust.

The fact that you're calling Ed and his shop out makes this even more comical.
 
If you mean post a private conversation between me and another member? I’ll have to decline. That may be something you would do but there’s a reason it was a private message and not a post. I’ll gladly respect their anonymity.


If you mean the conversation between the two of us, go right ahead. Nothing to hide here. :)
 
Rogue said:
Troy, come on. First you were defending the numbers in the post and now it's "well it was done 3000 miles away from me". In the FB post you were stating what fuel was used, how many miles were on the bike, the conditions of the dyno etc. Again, I'd be happy to post those screen shots if you'd like. 177rwhp sounds about right for a gen 1 S1000RR. I'd say it was a fairly healthy bike with those numbers wouldn't you? But you're really going to tell me that it made 40hp more thanks to Bren's magic tune and no internal mods? There's where you lose your credibility.

Someone who thinks a tune can add 40hp, calling me ignorant. That's rich.

If you'll scroll up to the top of the page you'll see a member who gained a whopping 5hp with your tune with a full exhaust.

The fact that you're calling Ed and his shop out makes this even more comical.
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First I'm Chris and now I'm Troy. The trolls need to make up their minds on who I am lol.

If you think you could never get 40hp from a bike, I believe you. I won't argue that point. You yourself couldn't. I believe you. You needlessly brought a S1000RR into the post about a V4 but refuse to defend your post about the V4 at all. If you have issues with S1000RR's, I suggest you visit that forum. This is for Ducati.

That person you posted isn't here and admitted he dyno'd incorrectly. You said multiple users? I'm asking for usernames and you aren't providing them.

Seeing as you have experience with "Ed" (Shiv). Maybe you know the name of his shop? I'm all ears. Thanks
 
You're at the gym? Nice. Bulking up I imagine. I hear it's coming back in style. Anyhow, didn't mean to make you nervous that you were going to be robbed or something (maybe more bulking up would temper that feeling) at our fictitious business. We have had a few board come by the fake business and I think all but 3 made it home so the odds aren’t that bad and well your initial response to my location was "oh right down the road" so I'm not sure that there would be a huge inconvenience but who knows so, tell you what, well come to you. Let us know what works.
 
endodoc said:
You're at the gym? Nice. Bulking up I imagine. I hear it's coming back in style. Anyhow, didn't mean to make you nervous that you were going to be robbed or something (maybe more bulking up would temper that feeling) at our fictitious business. We have had a few board come by the fake business and I think all but 3 made it home so the odds aren't that bad and well your initial response to my location was "oh right down the road" so I'm not sure that there would be a huge inconvenience but who knows so, tell you what, well come to you. Let us know what works.
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You're a shop owner that refuses to name his shop and gives government addresses in different cities. What's the name of the shop? Bulking doesn't make a difference when you're getting robbed lol.

I'm confused why your shop is such a secret and why you refuse to post what you promised weeks ago? Maybe you can explain why you're going back on your word.
 
Looks like he doesn’t want to have coffee and donuts guys. Damn, donuts are good for bulking too. Well, I tried. Geez he didn't like the catered lunch either.
 
endodoc said:
Looks like he doesn't want to have coffee and donuts guys. Damn, donuts are good for bulking too. Well, I tried. Geez he didn't like the catered lunch either.
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Ok, I get it. Fake account. As long as people here know to take your posts as trolling only, it's all good.
 
Rogue, I'm busted buddy and all this talk of donuts has made me hungry. I was going to try juicing but damn, it just doesn't sound appealing. Chris, enjoy and the rest of you guys
come on, don't be cheap. Send that money to Bren Tuning. Those guys are awesome.
 
endodoc said:
Rogue, I'm busted buddy and all this talk of donuts has made me hungry. I was going to try juicing but damn, it just doesn't sound appealing. Chris, enjoy and the rest of you guys
come on, don't be cheap. Send that money to Bren Tuning. Those guys are awesome.
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We'll all be waiting for those comparison charts you promised weeks ago, Shiv :)
 
teh1337ftw said:
First I'm Chris and now I'm Troy. The trolls need to make up their minds on who I am lol.

If you think you could never get 40hp from a bike, I believe you. I won't argue that point. You yourself couldn't. I believe you. You needlessly brought a S1000RR into the post about a V4 but refuse to defend your post about the V4 at all. If you have issues with S1000RR's, I suggest you visit that forum. This is for Ducati.

That person you posted isn't here and admitted he dyno'd incorrectly. You said multiple users? I'm asking for usernames and you aren't providing them.

Seeing as you have experience with "Ed" (Shiv). Maybe you know the name of his shop? I'm all ears. Thanks
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I was never confused with who you are Troy Gleason. I knew it was you from the first post. Whenever I see this level of nut swinging on Bren I look down and low and behold it's you. Hell, if you type Brentuning in the search bar on FB your name comes up a dozen or so times before the actual shop. If you're not affiliated with Bren then why are you pushing promo codes for him? Seems weird.

I don't develop tunes so you are correct, I couldn't gain 40hp with a tune alone. If you're continuing to say that you can then you're continuing to lose credibility which is why I brought the Beamer into this conversation in the first place. Someone pointed out that what Bren advertises differs from the delivered goods. I remember the BMW being a prime example.

Did you miss the part where Flatline posted "Bad news. Dynod today and was seriously disappointed".

I do know the name of Ed's shop. I believe my MAC radiator and custom carbon bits posted from there. I'd take him up on his offer.
 
Rogue said:
I was never confused with who you are Troy Gleason. I knew it was you from the first post. Whenever I see this level of nut swinging on Bren I look down and low and behold it's you. Hell, if you type Brentuning in the search bar on FB your name comes up a dozen or so times before the actual shop. If you're not affiliated with Bren then why are you pushing promo codes for him? Seems weird.

I don't develop tunes so you are correct, I couldn't gain 40hp with a tune alone. If you're continuing to say that you can then you're continuing to lose credibility which is why I brought the Beamer into this conversation in the first place. Someone pointed out that what Bren advertises differs from the delivered goods. I remember the BMW being a prime example.

Did you miss the part where Flatline posted "Bad news. Dynod today and was seriously disappointed".

I do know the name of Ed's shop. I believe my MAC radiator and custom carbon bits posted from there. I'd take him up on his offer.
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I think you may be confused with who I am. Also yes, I don't think you're capable of making 40hp with a turbo bike vs stock much less tuning. The way you speak shows that you aren't mechanically inclined in the least and that someone is feeding you lines. It's ok, I understand how Shiv operates. He tries to get you to buy OpenFlash then the support stops.. He's conveniently unreachable and funny that he posted that thread link. Two people in there said they couldn't get a hold of Shiv at all after paying in full.

How about you name this shop? Funny how a shop operates with customers but he doesn't seem to want any..

"Seriously disappointed" but clearly states there are gains everywhere.. You might want to stop cherry picking facts. Funny thing is the John Lee guy you posted said the same. He said it was a huge difference but the dyno didn't agree with what he felt as far as peak power.

I can put a tire to 20psi and dyno 160whp on a v4 then pump it to 60psi and it will read 200whp. That's how easy it is to manipulate a DynoJet these days. That's just one of many factors that are easy to manipulate or just overlook.


Rogue said:
Funny how that thread almost mirrors this one. I find it a bit ironic that his name is Troy and he tries to Trojan horse all of these forums as a customer when he joins them just to be a promoter for Bren. Shill marketing at it's best.
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I guess a customer experience to better the community is considered a bad thing these days. Sorry? lol. I didn't know we weren't allowed to talk about our experiences here. What's the point of this forum then?

I guess all the install videos I do on YouTube are also considered "Shill Marketing" for the products I paid for, right? Please go to a business class and learn how marketing works.
 
teh1337ftw said:
I think you may be confused with who I am.

Yes Troy, we all know it's you.

Also yes, I don't think you're capable of making 40hp with a turbo bike vs stock much less tuning.

So Bren is full of ..... Glad we're finally on the same page there with that bs post.

The way you speak shows that you aren't mechanically inclined in the least and that someone is feeding you lines. It's ok, I understand how Shiv operates. He tries to get you to buy OpenFlash then the support stops.. He's conveniently unreachable and funny that he posted that thread link. Two people in there said they couldn't get a hold of Shiv at all after paying in full.

How about you name this shop? Funny how a shop operates with customers but he doesn't seem to want any..

I don't know who Shiv is or what OpenFlash even is. I use a full RapidBike setup that I'm more than happy with. I somehow even fumbled around with some wrenches and managed the install myself.

"Seriously disappointed" but clearly states there are gains everywhere.. You might want to stop cherry picking facts. Funny thing is the John Lee guy you posted said the same. He said it was a huge difference but the dyno didn't agree with what he felt as far as peak power.

You all are the ones that claim a 10% increase in PEAK POWER. It's clearly stated on the BT website and the first page of this thread. Let's average it and say the V4 makes 190whp. That's a claimed 19whp gain with your tune. Please back this claim up with facts. I'll wait.


I guess a customer experience to better the community is considered a bad thing these days. Sorry? lol. I didn't know we weren't allowed to talk about our experiences here. What's the point of this forum then?

I guess all the install videos I do on YouTube are also considered "Shill Marketing" for the products I paid for, right? Please go to a business class and learn how marketing works.

I don't think I've ever met a "customer" that pushes promo codes the way you do. Ironically enough I've taken a few business classes in my time. I'm actually PMP certified and running a rather large Task Order overseas at the moment. Let me break down what you're doing:

Shill:
1. One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe bystanders into participating in a swindle.
2. One who publicly promotes another's cause, especially in an extravagant or misleading way.
v. shilled, shill ·ing, shills
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teh1337ftw said:
I wouldn't hate on people that own multiple bikes.. Also you bought a 1299 handheld from Brentuning. I don't understand the hate with the company that you support?
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Wait, I thought Ed was Shiv? Why would he buy a product from a competitor? Especially when the hand held is a simple Alientech Powergate 3 that retails for $200 (and you guys are turning them around for what, $650? good for you). How do you know what he's bought anyway? I thought you were just another customer?

Here's a few issues we're having with BT. Why is the tune encrypted and why can't myself or my tuner view/change the tables? Rexxer, Woolich, RapidBike, TuneBoy, all allow this. To my knowledge BT is the only company that just gives you a canned tuned and says good luck. If you need to change anything contact us and we'll do it remotely for you. What if I want to analyze my data at different tracks? I installed a RapidBike YouTune to compliment the race module just so I can be a nerd and monitor my AFR in real time while riding from time to time. What about data logging? How do I do that with BT?

I'd send you guys my spare ECU just so I could figure out how to do a side by side comparison but a quick google search for BrenTuning Ducati shows that you guys also have a history of bricking ECU's. I guess I'll have to wait for the results from Ed.
 
Rogue said:
Wait, I thought Ed was Shiv? Why would he buy a product from a competitor? Especially when the hand held is a simple Alientech Powergate 3 that retails for $200 (and you guys are turning them around for what, $650? good for you). How do you know what he's bought anyway? I thought you were just another customer?

Here's a few issues we're having with BT. Why is the tune encrypted and why can't myself or my tuner view/change the tables? Rexxer, Woolich, RapidBike, TuneBoy, all allow this. To my knowledge BT is the only company that just gives you a canned tuned and says good luck. If you need to change anything contact us and we'll do it remotely for you. What if I want to analyze my data at different tracks? I installed a RapidBike YouTune to compliment the race module just so I can be a nerd and monitor my AFR in real time while riding from time to time. What about data logging? How do I do that with BT?

I'd send you guys my spare ECU just so I could figure out how to do a side by side comparison but a quick google search for BrenTuning Ducati shows that you guys also have a history of bricking ECU's. I guess I'll have to wait for the results from Ed.
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Ed is the cover and so is "rogue", it's all shiv and we know there was never any intention of posting a comparison that doesn't exist so shame on you for lying to people here about that. Not one person has the stock dump from the ECU. The only people that call it a "bin" is a woolich user. Woolich couldn't get a file off a handheld or an ECU.

When you say "only company" you forget about Ducati, Akra, Termi, the list goes on with canned tunes. Nothing wrong with a canned tune and if you really want to go crazy, Log your EGT's and they will adjust the AFR. Pretty easy to understand. The reason why the big companies don't allow self-tuning is simple. It's a huge liability for the customer to ruin their bike and blame it on the tune. This eliminates that option and there's probably .2% of ducati owners that are actually tuning these bikes themselves with individual EGT's (the only proper way to do it due to cylinder to cylinder variance). The tunes you mentioned have to be done by the owner and it cost quite a bit to tune correctly.

Bricking ECU? Maybe you can explain how that happens on a continental. Even with file corruption the ECU can easily be saved with another write. Pretty basic stuff. Feel free to send me your ecu so I can help you out. I'll get it working again for you. Free of charge.

I'm confused why "Ed" would buy a brentuning flash if he's so firmly against it.
 
teh1337ftw said:
Ed is the cover and so is "rogue", it's all shiv and we know there was never any intention of posting a comparison that doesn't exist so shame on you for lying to people here about that. Not one person has the stock dump from the ECU. The only people that call it a "bin" is a woolich user. Woolich couldn't get a file off a handheld or an ECU.

When you say "only company" you forget about Ducati, Akra, Termi, the list goes on with canned tunes. Nothing wrong with a canned tune and if you really want to go crazy, Log your EGT's and they will adjust the AFR. Pretty easy to understand. The reason why the big companies don't allow self-tuning is simple. It's a huge liability for the customer to ruin their bike and blame it on the tune. This eliminates that option and there's probably .2% of ducati owners that are actually tuning these bikes themselves with individual EGT's (the only proper way to do it due to cylinder to cylinder variance). The tunes you mentioned have to be done by the owner and it cost quite a bit to tune correctly.

Bricking ECU? Maybe you can explain how that happens on a continental. Even with file corruption the ECU can easily be saved with another write. Pretty basic stuff. Feel free to send me your ecu so I can help you out. I'll get it working again for you. Free of charge.

I'm confused why "Ed" would buy a brentuning flash if he's so firmly against it.
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I'm dying over here. Who am I a cover for? I've met quite a few of the forum members in person and they can tell you I have absolutely no hand in the bike business. What have I lied about? I never promised a comparison. I said I'll have to wait for Ed. I also never came on a forum with unfounded claims. I'm simply the guy pointing out that they seem to be a common trend with BT.

If guys want to spend $1300-$1600 on a canned tune when they can have better results from a $250 dyno tune then be my guest. Like you said, this is a forum meant to better the community. I'm simply pointing out the facts.

I don't know how you brick an ECU. I've never done it. Just one example where BT has:

https://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/ducati-monster-1200/336985-monster-1200-re-mapping-ecu-4.html

Hey Troy, why would I send you my ECU if you're just a happy customer? Your hole is getting deeper.
 
teh1337ftw said:
I'm confused why "Ed" would buy a brentuning flash if he's so firmly against it.
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Because he's one of many that bought it and and was unhappy with the results? I know for a fact that he's using a different fuel management program now.

You ever wonder why every BrenTuning thread ends up this way?
 

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