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Rogue said:
Troy, come on. First you were defending the numbers in the post and now it's "well it was done 3000 miles away from me". In the FB post you were stating what fuel was used, how many miles were on the bike, the conditions of the dyno etc. Again, I'd be happy to post those screen shots if you'd like. 177rwhp sounds about right for a gen 1 S1000RR. I'd say it was a fairly healthy bike with those numbers wouldn't you? But you're really going to tell me that it made 40hp more thanks to Bren's magic tune and no internal mods? There's where you lose your credibility.

Someone who thinks a tune can add 40hp, calling me ignorant. That's rich.

If you'll scroll up to the top of the page you'll see a member who gained a whopping 5hp with your tune with a full exhaust.

The fact that you're calling Ed and his shop out makes this even more comical.
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First I'm Chris and now I'm Troy. The trolls need to make up their minds on who I am lol.

If you think you could never get 40hp from a bike, I believe you. I won't argue that point. You yourself couldn't. I believe you. You needlessly brought a S1000RR into the post about a V4 but refuse to defend your post about the V4 at all. If you have issues with S1000RR's, I suggest you visit that forum. This is for Ducati.

That person you posted isn't here and admitted he dyno'd incorrectly. You said multiple users? I'm asking for usernames and you aren't providing them.

Seeing as you have experience with "Ed" (Shiv). Maybe you know the name of his shop? I'm all ears. Thanks
 
You're at the gym? Nice. Bulking up I imagine. I hear it's coming back in style. Anyhow, didn't mean to make you nervous that you were going to be robbed or something (maybe more bulking up would temper that feeling) at our fictitious business. We have had a few board come by the fake business and I think all but 3 made it home so the odds aren’t that bad and well your initial response to my location was "oh right down the road" so I'm not sure that there would be a huge inconvenience but who knows so, tell you what, well come to you. Let us know what works.
 
endodoc said:
You're at the gym? Nice. Bulking up I imagine. I hear it's coming back in style. Anyhow, didn't mean to make you nervous that you were going to be robbed or something (maybe more bulking up would temper that feeling) at our fictitious business. We have had a few board come by the fake business and I think all but 3 made it home so the odds aren't that bad and well your initial response to my location was "oh right down the road" so I'm not sure that there would be a huge inconvenience but who knows so, tell you what, well come to you. Let us know what works.
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You're a shop owner that refuses to name his shop and gives government addresses in different cities. What's the name of the shop? Bulking doesn't make a difference when you're getting robbed lol.

I'm confused why your shop is such a secret and why you refuse to post what you promised weeks ago? Maybe you can explain why you're going back on your word.
 
Looks like he doesn’t want to have coffee and donuts guys. Damn, donuts are good for bulking too. Well, I tried. Geez he didn't like the catered lunch either.
 
endodoc said:
Looks like he doesn't want to have coffee and donuts guys. Damn, donuts are good for bulking too. Well, I tried. Geez he didn't like the catered lunch either.
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Ok, I get it. Fake account. As long as people here know to take your posts as trolling only, it's all good.
 
Rogue, I'm busted buddy and all this talk of donuts has made me hungry. I was going to try juicing but damn, it just doesn't sound appealing. Chris, enjoy and the rest of you guys
come on, don't be cheap. Send that money to Bren Tuning. Those guys are awesome.
 
endodoc said:
Rogue, I'm busted buddy and all this talk of donuts has made me hungry. I was going to try juicing but damn, it just doesn't sound appealing. Chris, enjoy and the rest of you guys
come on, don't be cheap. Send that money to Bren Tuning. Those guys are awesome.
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We'll all be waiting for those comparison charts you promised weeks ago, Shiv :)
 
teh1337ftw said:
First I'm Chris and now I'm Troy. The trolls need to make up their minds on who I am lol.

If you think you could never get 40hp from a bike, I believe you. I won't argue that point. You yourself couldn't. I believe you. You needlessly brought a S1000RR into the post about a V4 but refuse to defend your post about the V4 at all. If you have issues with S1000RR's, I suggest you visit that forum. This is for Ducati.

That person you posted isn't here and admitted he dyno'd incorrectly. You said multiple users? I'm asking for usernames and you aren't providing them.

Seeing as you have experience with "Ed" (Shiv). Maybe you know the name of his shop? I'm all ears. Thanks
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I was never confused with who you are Troy Gleason. I knew it was you from the first post. Whenever I see this level of nut swinging on Bren I look down and low and behold it's you. Hell, if you type Brentuning in the search bar on FB your name comes up a dozen or so times before the actual shop. If you're not affiliated with Bren then why are you pushing promo codes for him? Seems weird.

I don't develop tunes so you are correct, I couldn't gain 40hp with a tune alone. If you're continuing to say that you can then you're continuing to lose credibility which is why I brought the Beamer into this conversation in the first place. Someone pointed out that what Bren advertises differs from the delivered goods. I remember the BMW being a prime example.

Did you miss the part where Flatline posted "Bad news. Dynod today and was seriously disappointed".

I do know the name of Ed's shop. I believe my MAC radiator and custom carbon bits posted from there. I'd take him up on his offer.
 
Rogue said:
I was never confused with who you are Troy Gleason. I knew it was you from the first post. Whenever I see this level of nut swinging on Bren I look down and low and behold it's you. Hell, if you type Brentuning in the search bar on FB your name comes up a dozen or so times before the actual shop. If you're not affiliated with Bren then why are you pushing promo codes for him? Seems weird.

I don't develop tunes so you are correct, I couldn't gain 40hp with a tune alone. If you're continuing to say that you can then you're continuing to lose credibility which is why I brought the Beamer into this conversation in the first place. Someone pointed out that what Bren advertises differs from the delivered goods. I remember the BMW being a prime example.

Did you miss the part where Flatline posted "Bad news. Dynod today and was seriously disappointed".

I do know the name of Ed's shop. I believe my MAC radiator and custom carbon bits posted from there. I'd take him up on his offer.
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I think you may be confused with who I am. Also yes, I don't think you're capable of making 40hp with a turbo bike vs stock much less tuning. The way you speak shows that you aren't mechanically inclined in the least and that someone is feeding you lines. It's ok, I understand how Shiv operates. He tries to get you to buy OpenFlash then the support stops.. He's conveniently unreachable and funny that he posted that thread link. Two people in there said they couldn't get a hold of Shiv at all after paying in full.

How about you name this shop? Funny how a shop operates with customers but he doesn't seem to want any..

"Seriously disappointed" but clearly states there are gains everywhere.. You might want to stop cherry picking facts. Funny thing is the John Lee guy you posted said the same. He said it was a huge difference but the dyno didn't agree with what he felt as far as peak power.

I can put a tire to 20psi and dyno 160whp on a v4 then pump it to 60psi and it will read 200whp. That's how easy it is to manipulate a DynoJet these days. That's just one of many factors that are easy to manipulate or just overlook.


Rogue said:
Funny how that thread almost mirrors this one. I find it a bit ironic that his name is Troy and he tries to Trojan horse all of these forums as a customer when he joins them just to be a promoter for Bren. Shill marketing at it's best.
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I guess a customer experience to better the community is considered a bad thing these days. Sorry? lol. I didn't know we weren't allowed to talk about our experiences here. What's the point of this forum then?

I guess all the install videos I do on YouTube are also considered "Shill Marketing" for the products I paid for, right? Please go to a business class and learn how marketing works.
 
teh1337ftw said:
I think you may be confused with who I am.

Yes Troy, we all know it's you.

Also yes, I don't think you're capable of making 40hp with a turbo bike vs stock much less tuning.

So Bren is full of ..... Glad we're finally on the same page there with that bs post.

The way you speak shows that you aren't mechanically inclined in the least and that someone is feeding you lines. It's ok, I understand how Shiv operates. He tries to get you to buy OpenFlash then the support stops.. He's conveniently unreachable and funny that he posted that thread link. Two people in there said they couldn't get a hold of Shiv at all after paying in full.

How about you name this shop? Funny how a shop operates with customers but he doesn't seem to want any..

I don't know who Shiv is or what OpenFlash even is. I use a full RapidBike setup that I'm more than happy with. I somehow even fumbled around with some wrenches and managed the install myself.

"Seriously disappointed" but clearly states there are gains everywhere.. You might want to stop cherry picking facts. Funny thing is the John Lee guy you posted said the same. He said it was a huge difference but the dyno didn't agree with what he felt as far as peak power.

You all are the ones that claim a 10% increase in PEAK POWER. It's clearly stated on the BT website and the first page of this thread. Let's average it and say the V4 makes 190whp. That's a claimed 19whp gain with your tune. Please back this claim up with facts. I'll wait.


I guess a customer experience to better the community is considered a bad thing these days. Sorry? lol. I didn't know we weren't allowed to talk about our experiences here. What's the point of this forum then?

I guess all the install videos I do on YouTube are also considered "Shill Marketing" for the products I paid for, right? Please go to a business class and learn how marketing works.

I don't think I've ever met a "customer" that pushes promo codes the way you do. Ironically enough I've taken a few business classes in my time. I'm actually PMP certified and running a rather large Task Order overseas at the moment. Let me break down what you're doing:

Shill:
1. One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe bystanders into participating in a swindle.
2. One who publicly promotes another's cause, especially in an extravagant or misleading way.
v. shilled, shill ·ing, shills
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teh1337ftw said:
I wouldn't hate on people that own multiple bikes.. Also you bought a 1299 handheld from Brentuning. I don't understand the hate with the company that you support?
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Wait, I thought Ed was Shiv? Why would he buy a product from a competitor? Especially when the hand held is a simple Alientech Powergate 3 that retails for $200 (and you guys are turning them around for what, $650? good for you). How do you know what he's bought anyway? I thought you were just another customer?

Here's a few issues we're having with BT. Why is the tune encrypted and why can't myself or my tuner view/change the tables? Rexxer, Woolich, RapidBike, TuneBoy, all allow this. To my knowledge BT is the only company that just gives you a canned tuned and says good luck. If you need to change anything contact us and we'll do it remotely for you. What if I want to analyze my data at different tracks? I installed a RapidBike YouTune to compliment the race module just so I can be a nerd and monitor my AFR in real time while riding from time to time. What about data logging? How do I do that with BT?

I'd send you guys my spare ECU just so I could figure out how to do a side by side comparison but a quick google search for BrenTuning Ducati shows that you guys also have a history of bricking ECU's. I guess I'll have to wait for the results from Ed.
 
Rogue said:
Wait, I thought Ed was Shiv? Why would he buy a product from a competitor? Especially when the hand held is a simple Alientech Powergate 3 that retails for $200 (and you guys are turning them around for what, $650? good for you). How do you know what he's bought anyway? I thought you were just another customer?

Here's a few issues we're having with BT. Why is the tune encrypted and why can't myself or my tuner view/change the tables? Rexxer, Woolich, RapidBike, TuneBoy, all allow this. To my knowledge BT is the only company that just gives you a canned tuned and says good luck. If you need to change anything contact us and we'll do it remotely for you. What if I want to analyze my data at different tracks? I installed a RapidBike YouTune to compliment the race module just so I can be a nerd and monitor my AFR in real time while riding from time to time. What about data logging? How do I do that with BT?

I'd send you guys my spare ECU just so I could figure out how to do a side by side comparison but a quick google search for BrenTuning Ducati shows that you guys also have a history of bricking ECU's. I guess I'll have to wait for the results from Ed.
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Ed is the cover and so is "rogue", it's all shiv and we know there was never any intention of posting a comparison that doesn't exist so shame on you for lying to people here about that. Not one person has the stock dump from the ECU. The only people that call it a "bin" is a woolich user. Woolich couldn't get a file off a handheld or an ECU.

When you say "only company" you forget about Ducati, Akra, Termi, the list goes on with canned tunes. Nothing wrong with a canned tune and if you really want to go crazy, Log your EGT's and they will adjust the AFR. Pretty easy to understand. The reason why the big companies don't allow self-tuning is simple. It's a huge liability for the customer to ruin their bike and blame it on the tune. This eliminates that option and there's probably .2% of ducati owners that are actually tuning these bikes themselves with individual EGT's (the only proper way to do it due to cylinder to cylinder variance). The tunes you mentioned have to be done by the owner and it cost quite a bit to tune correctly.

Bricking ECU? Maybe you can explain how that happens on a continental. Even with file corruption the ECU can easily be saved with another write. Pretty basic stuff. Feel free to send me your ecu so I can help you out. I'll get it working again for you. Free of charge.

I'm confused why "Ed" would buy a brentuning flash if he's so firmly against it.
 
teh1337ftw said:
Ed is the cover and so is "rogue", it's all shiv and we know there was never any intention of posting a comparison that doesn't exist so shame on you for lying to people here about that. Not one person has the stock dump from the ECU. The only people that call it a "bin" is a woolich user. Woolich couldn't get a file off a handheld or an ECU.

When you say "only company" you forget about Ducati, Akra, Termi, the list goes on with canned tunes. Nothing wrong with a canned tune and if you really want to go crazy, Log your EGT's and they will adjust the AFR. Pretty easy to understand. The reason why the big companies don't allow self-tuning is simple. It's a huge liability for the customer to ruin their bike and blame it on the tune. This eliminates that option and there's probably .2% of ducati owners that are actually tuning these bikes themselves with individual EGT's (the only proper way to do it due to cylinder to cylinder variance). The tunes you mentioned have to be done by the owner and it cost quite a bit to tune correctly.

Bricking ECU? Maybe you can explain how that happens on a continental. Even with file corruption the ECU can easily be saved with another write. Pretty basic stuff. Feel free to send me your ecu so I can help you out. I'll get it working again for you. Free of charge.

I'm confused why "Ed" would buy a brentuning flash if he's so firmly against it.
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I'm dying over here. Who am I a cover for? I've met quite a few of the forum members in person and they can tell you I have absolutely no hand in the bike business. What have I lied about? I never promised a comparison. I said I'll have to wait for Ed. I also never came on a forum with unfounded claims. I'm simply the guy pointing out that they seem to be a common trend with BT.

If guys want to spend $1300-$1600 on a canned tune when they can have better results from a $250 dyno tune then be my guest. Like you said, this is a forum meant to better the community. I'm simply pointing out the facts.

I don't know how you brick an ECU. I've never done it. Just one example where BT has:

https://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/ducati-monster-1200/336985-monster-1200-re-mapping-ecu-4.html

Hey Troy, why would I send you my ECU if you're just a happy customer? Your hole is getting deeper.
 
teh1337ftw said:
I'm confused why "Ed" would buy a brentuning flash if he's so firmly against it.
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Because he's one of many that bought it and and was unhappy with the results? I know for a fact that he's using a different fuel management program now.

You ever wonder why every BrenTuning thread ends up this way?
 
I flashed my v4 with BT a couple of weeks ago. Due to a knee op I havent been able to ride apart from a very short ride prior to the op. I could def feel an improvement where my bike previously had a massive flat spot in the midrange. I only have 500km on my bike so I am not keen to run it on the dyno yet but my bike def feels stronger with the flash and does not stall anymore in 2nd gear
 
endodoc said:
So teh1337ftw if you don't work for Bren then how do you know I bought a Bren setup? And you are now saying to Rogue "feel free to send me your ECU so I can help you out"? I thought you were just a guy with a bike but now you can read Mitsubishi ECUs ?Are you now saying that Bren Tuning shared my customer purchase/information with you a non-Bren Tuning employee ? I'm smelling a nice criminal complaint coming with your name all over it. I bought the Bren box for the 1299 and I bought the upgraded service. I bought the pieces so that I could take any Bren file, load it into the mits ecu then download it from the ecu to the desktop and look at the files with other software. I am able to see all of the mods that Bren did to the base map. The description that Bren gives for the 1299 tune plus the additional features sounded good so I wanted to see what they sent me vs what was advertised and the results were not surprising. Let's just say they advertise a lot of things that are just not accurate at least in my case. Also, you may want to educate yourself with the capabilities of other platforms before again making yourself look like a complete ......., again. Right now Bren tuning may be in a bit of a spot and it’s not going to end well if what I am in the process of looking at shows what I think it is going to show. In the meantime, it may be a good idea for the mods to shut this down.
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Thanks for your input.
Help me understand a couple things. You ordered a product to substantiate their claims. You find out this product doesn’t have the features they claim but you don’t share the facts that will help others not make this mistake.

I’m a bit confused? Is there a reason you don’t go line by line with proof showing these guys are a full of it?
 
Rogue said:
I'm dying over here. Who am I a cover for? I've met quite a few of the forum members in person and they can tell you I have absolutely no hand in the bike business. What have I lied about? I never promised a comparison. I said I'll have to wait for Ed. I also never came on a forum with unfounded claims. I'm simply the guy pointing out that they seem to be a common trend with BT.

If guys want to spend $1300-$1600 on a canned tune when they can have better results from a $250 dyno tune then be my guest. Like you said, this is a forum meant to better the community. I'm simply pointing out the facts.

I don't know how you brick an ECU. I've never done it. Just one example where BT has:

https://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/ducati-monster-1200/336985-monster-1200-re-mapping-ecu-4.html

Hey Troy, why would I send you my ECU if you're just a happy customer? Your hole is getting deeper.
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Rogue said:
Because he's one of many that bought it and and was unhappy with the results? I know for a fact that he's using a different fuel management program now.

You ever wonder why every BrenTuning thread ends up this way?
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So basically everything you say can't be backed up by facts but you only cherry pick what you think can hurt anyone trying to get the mapping.

$250 for software and individual EGT tuning? Where? haha. Get what you pay for with that. 8 hours of work for $250 isn't worth it for anyone with a career in the field on tuning.

Unless YOU yourself have actual facts about YOUR OWN experience with brentuning, I suggest you stop talking about them because you're clueless. You don't understand tuning, you don't understand Brentuning, you don't understand software and you sure don't know Ducati's in general.

I'm happy to have an adult conversation with you but you refuse to have one. Wish you the best, Shiv.
 
Phl won't shut it down. He's better than that. I'd leave this up for anyone in the market for a tune.

Troy, I don't think you could've hung yourself any better. The best part of this whole ordeal is if you had just come in hear and said Hey, I'm a BT employee/promoter/representative/influencer, whatever. Our tune will improve the bike's overall power and feel. Here's a little bit about it etc. You would've been fine. You might've had a few guys bitching about a gaining minimal amount of peak power given the amount of money you're charging for a canned tune but hey, at least you delivered as advertised.

But instead, in typical Bren fashion they have to throw in the bs claims (i.e.10% peak hp gains). Anyone who questions it is called ignorant, not mechanically inclined, and apparently no one but Bren knows how to run a dyno. It's always the same old .... Troy.
 

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