Data acquisition thread.....
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I should have gotten on the data train a long time ago…as simplistic as it sounds, when you stack your data over top somebody lee’s that is faster, you see EXACTLY where you can gain the most time and prioritize that.
I’ve spent the last 5 or 6 track days running at 70 or 80% just training in all the basics, getting my riding really locked into trained neuro muscular response…super basic stuff like foot position, not weighting the bars, body position, moving more smoothly on the bike, using full throttle and tucking properly on the straights, and figuring the line and breaking zones etc.
Yesterday was the 1st day that I really feel like I figured out how late i can let off throttle and start braking the bike and got comfortable with it…was REALLY fun having the liter bikes pull away a bit on the straights then FLY by them in the braking zone like they were standing still…by the end of the day I was still on full throttle while most of the guys in my group were were already braking hard. Was feeling like Valentino Rossi until I looked at the data of the really fast guys riding middle weight bikes overlayed on mine.
Even though I’m getting the braking zone right at this point I’m still over braking, not carrying enough speed and therefore lean into and through the corners and am losing full SECONDS on EACH corner.
Without data I felt like I was carrying good roll speed and good lean…but in carrying like 36-38% lean through most of the corner and peaking at 44-45% lean, whereas my much faster buddies are carrying 44-46% lean and peaking at 52-55% lean and holding that for longer…and they are carrying on average 10-12mph faster roll speed through the corners..
So now I’ve feel like I’m really locked in on all the fundamentals of riding well, and know the braking zone for this bike, the next two or three track days will be spent on carrying greater roll speed and therefore greater lean through the corners. I also realized from the data that I was trying to be the tail wagging the dog, meaning I couldn’t figure out why I was exceeding a greater lean angle that would let me go faster, but I finally realized that speed doesn’t come from leaning more, leaning more comes from going faster
Stupidly I felt like I just couldn’t lean the bike more, like there was a lean barrier for me, but it’s just that I wasn’t going fast enough to require the greater lean angle.
After two years of track riding I finally feel like I’m starting to figure out how to ride the bike haha
I’ve spent the last 5 or 6 track days running at 70 or 80% just training in all the basics, getting my riding really locked into trained neuro muscular response…super basic stuff like foot position, not weighting the bars, body position, moving more smoothly on the bike, using full throttle and tucking properly on the straights, and figuring the line and breaking zones etc.
Yesterday was the 1st day that I really feel like I figured out how late i can let off throttle and start braking the bike and got comfortable with it…was REALLY fun having the liter bikes pull away a bit on the straights then FLY by them in the braking zone like they were standing still…by the end of the day I was still on full throttle while most of the guys in my group were were already braking hard. Was feeling like Valentino Rossi until I looked at the data of the really fast guys riding middle weight bikes overlayed on mine.
Even though I’m getting the braking zone right at this point I’m still over braking, not carrying enough speed and therefore lean into and through the corners and am losing full SECONDS on EACH corner.
Without data I felt like I was carrying good roll speed and good lean…but in carrying like 36-38% lean through most of the corner and peaking at 44-45% lean, whereas my much faster buddies are carrying 44-46% lean and peaking at 52-55% lean and holding that for longer…and they are carrying on average 10-12mph faster roll speed through the corners..
So now I’ve feel like I’m really locked in on all the fundamentals of riding well, and know the braking zone for this bike, the next two or three track days will be spent on carrying greater roll speed and therefore greater lean through the corners. I also realized from the data that I was trying to be the tail wagging the dog, meaning I couldn’t figure out why I was exceeding a greater lean angle that would let me go faster, but I finally realized that speed doesn’t come from leaning more, leaning more comes from going faster
Stupidly I felt like I just couldn’t lean the bike more, like there was a lean barrier for me, but it’s just that I wasn’t going fast enough to require the greater lean angle.
After two years of track riding I finally feel like I’m starting to figure out how to ride the bike haha
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It sounds like you’re getting exactly what you hoped for from that bike.
It will be interesting to see if you can carry that over to the bigger bike when you eventually get back on one.
As you mentioned, I think data can be exceptionally useful
It will be interesting to see if you can carry that over to the bigger bike when you eventually get back on one.
As you mentioned, I think data can be exceptionally useful
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I’ll definitely go back to a well sorted liter bike, and what I’m learning will definitely carry over.
I love this bike and have MILES to go of improvement before I’ll be much faster on a liter bike, but at some point there is no substitute for power lol…my Ducati is in street trim now although it still has the track suspension, and when I get on it occasionally it feels like coming home. Like going to grandma’s house and going straight to the refrigerator and finding a good snack and plopping down on the couch. The Ducati just does everything well and it’s effortlessly fast.
I was tempted to try and relocate the DDA GPS just so I had times on the bike dashboard but I couldn’t really see where I could put it and it’s not particularly important. It might even be a good thing not to see the times so I don’t try to chase them. It comes with an easily removed USB–C drive so I can take it back to the hotel each evening and see what was going on over a beer.
I think this seems like a reasonably good solution. It’s nice that it fits easily in that space and it can be upgraded with additional components if required.
It’s basically the Solo 2 DL without a screen.
I think this seems like a reasonably good solution. It’s nice that it fits easily in that space and it can be upgraded with additional components if required.
It’s basically the Solo 2 DL without a screen.
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I should have gotten on the data train a long time ago…as simplistic as it sounds, when you stack your data over top somebody lee’s that is faster, you see EXACTLY where you can gain the most time and prioritize that.
I’ve spent the last 5 or 6 track days running at 70 or 80% just training in all the basics, getting my riding really locked into trained neuro muscular response…super basic stuff like foot position, not weighting the bars, body position, moving more smoothly on the bike, using full throttle and tucking properly on the straights, and figuring the line and breaking zones etc.
Yesterday was the 1st day that I really feel like I figured out how late i can let off throttle and start braking the bike and got comfortable with it…was REALLY fun having the liter bikes pull away a bit on the straights then FLY by them in the braking zone like they were standing still…by the end of the day I was still on full throttle while most of the guys in my group were were already braking hard. Was feeling like Valentino Rossi until I looked at the data of the really fast guys riding middle weight bikes overlayed on mine.
Even though I’m getting the braking zone right at this point I’m still over braking, not carrying enough speed and therefore lean into and through the corners and am losing full SECONDS on EACH corner.
Without data I felt like I was carrying good roll speed and good lean…but in carrying like 36-38% lean through most of the corner and peaking at 44-45% lean, whereas my much faster buddies are carrying 44-46% lean and peaking at 52-55% lean and holding that for longer…and they are carrying on average 10-12mph faster roll speed through the corners..
So now I’ve feel like I’m really locked in on all the fundamentals of riding well, and know the braking zone for this bike, the next two or three track days will be spent on carrying greater roll speed and therefore greater lean through the corners. I also realized from the data that I was trying to be the tail wagging the dog, meaning I couldn’t figure out why I was exceeding a greater lean angle that would let me go faster, but I finally realized that speed doesn’t come from leaning more, leaning more comes from going faster
Stupidly I felt like I just couldn’t lean the bike more, like there was a lean barrier for me, but it’s just that I wasn’t going fast enough to require the greater lean angle.
After two years of track riding I finally feel like I’m starting to figure out how to ride the bike haha
That's a very good point on comparing a fast guy's data ( perhaps a racer ) with your data.
I still hope that Ducati is listening to OUR request of a complete, reliable and easy set up ( suspensions travel pots, brake pressure, steering angle, slippage, CAMERA feature with OVERLAP, etc ), with a simple and complete software, on the next V4R....like DJI is doing with their drones ( even if I don't like the spying thing ).
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Luckily was able to do that twice with the JP43 team at Chuck, Corey went on on my bike at the end of the day and ripped what he thought was my ideal target should be if I properly linked all my corners, about 5-6s faster than my current times. Amazingly helpful to see data from the same bike and dissect each corner. I was able to hit his first target (2:02), now working on the second (1:57). That 5s would normally seem crazy to say “I just need to go faster” (which is true) but looking at the data overlay it is really just nailing all the basics every time.
One of my favourite things so far in the software is the map showing your lines and you can have the line showing braking with different colours to show how much force used and of course where you start and finish. Same with throttle, with colours showing where you start, how much you’re using and of course where you close it.
It’s a really simple visual way of seeing exactly what you are doing.
It also has the bit where it combines your best split times and shows you what time you could have had in the session if only you were halfway consistent… Annoying!
It’s a really simple visual way of seeing exactly what you are doing.
It also has the bit where it combines your best split times and shows you what time you could have had in the session if only you were halfway consistent… Annoying!
A new one coming from AiM. Integrated WiFi and Bluetooth and GPS… Seems to good to be true.
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Aim X Log compact Datalogger
X Log Compact, powerful, reliable X Log is an extremely powerful and compact datalogger.. ECU stream CAN: K-line or RS232 connections GPS: four constellations (GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou and Galileo), 25 Hz, with less thanhalf a meter precision. internal 6 axis inertial platform Expansions: ACC 2...
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Very interesting, especially for bikes that come without any data logging.
I tried to explain to Domenicali that the new V4R, MUST have a complete, self contained and easy to use data logging, not the actual system that is full of flaws.
It will be a game changer for advanced amateur, but also for people who want to improve their technique.....and a mandatory system for the future TROFEO DUCATI
I tried to explain to Domenicali that the new V4R, MUST have a complete, self contained and easy to use data logging, not the actual system that is full of flaws.
It will be a game changer for advanced amateur, but also for people who want to improve their technique.....and a mandatory system for the future TROFEO DUCATI
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Good luck pricing it
The new DDL seems to be a big step on from the previous DDA and finally includes brake data. No idea if it will allow data export but you’d think it should.
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cool,A new one coming from AiM. Integrated WiFi and Bluetooth and GPS… Seems to good to be true.
Aim X Log compact Datalogger
X Log Compact, powerful, reliable X Log is an extremely powerful and compact datalogger.. ECU stream CAN: K-line or RS232 connections GPS: four constellations (GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou and Galileo), 25 Hz, with less thanhalf a meter precision. internal 6 axis inertial platform Expansions: ACC 2...
thanks for the link.. not available yet in the US thought. I just ordered the solo2dl and sensors for my other bike. But this here could be a great solution for the V4.. I just wish AIM would be able to add tire pressure onto their periphery.
to further elaborate,
I was planning to use the following for my V4:
for the dash I was planning on the PZ Racing PA601 module. I don't have the GPS from the factory. I don't want to use the thing for data, I just want the lap timer in the display.
For video and data, I was planning on using an Insta360 on the seat cowl and AIM sensors with the new X Log --> Acc2 with brake and throttle and suspension. Not sure wich software, all thought telemetry overlay looks promising.
Anyone with real life experience here on this one?
Thanks
I was planning to use the following for my V4:
for the dash I was planning on the PZ Racing PA601 module. I don't have the GPS from the factory. I don't want to use the thing for data, I just want the lap timer in the display.
For video and data, I was planning on using an Insta360 on the seat cowl and AIM sensors with the new X Log --> Acc2 with brake and throttle and suspension. Not sure wich software, all thought telemetry overlay looks promising.
Anyone with real life experience here on this one?
Thanks
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