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The Australian series has a cap of $35k for the bike, what u spend on additional kit depends on the rules... About another 10 grand gets a competitive bike...

Didn't put the R down, just said its not practical and cost effective as a base to build a race bike from... Unless ur in WSBK
 
Duc Le Smart said:
The "R" adds ABS, which weighs more, & LED lights, which also adds weight over a Base model. However, the R has lighter wheels, & many CF bits, and it also comes with the FULL Termi exhaust, not just the slip-ons like the "S". The "R" also has an adjustable swing arm, & because it revs higher, has more HP. Add it up & the "R" is very reasonably priced.

Don't buy an "R" if you can't afford it, or you don't need what it has to offer.
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An S does not come with slip ons.
 
I think a few people here have lost the plot
Here in australia there only $4k morethan the tri,
S is $36k
Tri is $42k or there abouts for a flash paintjob and slip ons
And the R is under $46k
Go buy all the lighter wheels, engine mods ' FULL SYSTEM, Adjustable swingarm etc etc
Bloody bargain
 
outback said:
I think a few people here have lost the plot
Here in australia there only $4k morethan the tri,
S is $36k
Tri is $42k or there abouts for a flash paintjob and slip ons
And the R is under $46k
Go buy all the lighter wheels, engine mods ' FULL SYSTEM, Adjustable swingarm etc etc
Bloody bargain
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People are not saying it's not good value but to badge the bike an R model is just a marketing exercise from ducati.

The R model is supposed to represent the closet bike ducati produces to it's racing machines this is not it's just a slightly better S model.

Sure you can change the wheels and bodywork etc but that defeats the point of the R model. I think Ducati should of waited another year and brought out the R model we were all expected but they probably will and call it the R Corse.
 
d1098man said:
lol.....to each is own i guess.....this is n upgraded "s" for a special discounted price....all the R's before....a totally diff bike....the 1098r even had a corse cams kit....im not seeing anything as far as special corse parts for this bike except the new termi exhaust....n that will fit all the other pani's as well.....at the end of the day....if you purchased the bike n already had a pani.....i am totally not understanding that decision at all lol....if you didint already have a pani.....its a great buy
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-- like you say....."to each his own"....I just don't see going backwards...granted the older bikes stand out as special indeed, but as each model year moves forward its a lot more fun to experience what the factory is doing "currently"

-- remember rotary telephones ? Cell phones that needed a suit case....why not stick with smoke signals :)
 
reganc said:
People are not saying it's not good value but to badge the bike an R model is just a marketing exercise from ducati.

The R model is supposed to represent the closet bike ducati produces to it's racing machines this is not it's just a slightly better S model.

Sure you can change the wheels and bodywork etc but that defeats the point of the R model. I think Ducati should of waited another year and brought out the R model we were all expected but they probably will and call it the R Corse.
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-- remember they do have to maximize sales to the point of being profitable, or they can simply just fold up and be another business statistic, which they have been close to on more than a few occasions - the current R has enough of what it needs to appeal to any Ducati enthusiast and still keep the selling price reasonable....had they added carbon fairings, hotter cams, titanium valves (the list can go on and on) the msrp would be out of reach..example desmosedici
 
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Duc Le Smart said:
The "R" adds ABS, which weighs more, & LED lights, which also adds weight over a Base model. However, the R has lighter wheels, & many CF bits, and it also comes with the FULL Termi exhaust, not just the slip-ons like the "S". The "R" also has an adjustable swing arm, & because it revs higher, has more HP. Add it up & the "R" is very reasonably priced.

Don't buy an "R" if you can't afford it, or you don't need what it has to offer.
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I thought all of them have ABS now (2013)?
 
RD16RR said:
-- remember they do have to maximize sales to the point of being profitable, or the can simply just fold up and be another business statistic, which they have been close to on more than a few times - the current R has enough of what it needs to appeal to any Ducati enthusiast and still keep the selling price reasonable....had they added carbon fairings, hotter cams, titanium valves (the list can go on and on) the msrp would be out of reach..example desmosedici
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I agree it's about sales and $40k bikes are hard to sell and Ducati/Audi are clearly in the business of selling bikes and making as much profit as possible. I just think it's a shame that they are diluting what the R & SP models stand for and i don't like the fact they are turning out different iterations of the same bike every few months.

It's the same thing with the Tri Ducati should of made it in limited numbers but have shafted the buyers of the Tri version by releasing this model 12 months after launch date as the R will have a big impact on Tri residuals plus the fact they decided not to make the Tri in limited numbers like prior versions.

Ok rant over.
 
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reganc said:
I agree it's about sales and $40k bikes are hard to sell and Ducati/Audi are clearly in the business of selling bikes and making as much profit as possible. I just think it's a shame that they are diluting what the R & SP models stand for and i don;t like the fact they are turning out different iterations of the same bike every few months.

It's the same thing with the Tri the should of made it in limited numbers but have shafted the buyers of the Tri version by releasing this model 12 months after launch date as the R will have a big impact on Tri residuals plus the fact they decided not to make the Tri in limited numbers like prior versions.

Ok rant over.
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-- LOL.....ok...I guess I feel your pain....lol......but I'd prefer to say "welcome to the club" - back when I bought my 955sp (1 of 50) in the USA I felt special indeed - it took patience, money and a certain naïveté to join the club (order from the only place, Ferraci, you could get it and wait for a phone call)- yes, it was definitely special for its moment in time, yes it felt like nothing I'd ever ridden before, and yes again that it was a total self indulgent extreme feeling of satisfaction riding it each and every mile....the downer (?).....the following year you could walk into your local dealer and order an R......suddenly my 955 was getting old.....

-- I waited a few years, then finally ordered an R.....I simply couldn't resist, as Ducati just keeps giving us more and more "factory direct".....no need for mods, simply get on and ride

--only when buddies would harass me about it..I'd feel compelled to point out that "I'm riding THIS, and you're riding THAT" - that lasted only until more people started riding THIS as well ;)
 
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They way i figure it, we all spent the extra to by a Duke because we can,and we love them if we all wanted to be cost efficient then we,d all be on yamaha,s and nothing wrong with them either i still got my 50th anniversary R1,
Same as people who buy Ferraris or Lambo,s ,or whatever so if a R rocks ur world , go get it,
Some people buy picassos and stick them on the wall, my duke is in the house looks much better than a picasso, and i can take the bloody thing out and ride it
And if i dont ride it much who cares i like looking at it :)
Cant take ur money with you,
Enjoy
 
"Must Read" is misleading, this thread is anything but. If anyone is moderating this forum there's a prime candidate for editing.
 
My understanding is the R is targeted at those who wish to go Superstock racing, or find higher limits on a track day. Of course, there are those that would buy it just to say they have 'the best'.

It may be hard to justify the extra cost but for some it's not an issue.

The only reason I can't gravitate toward it, is it doesn't have those delectable white flashes across the bodywork so typical of an 'R' designation and on paper it doesn't seem to have too many improvements over the 'S'.

Perhaps a successful direct comparison to the BMW S1000RR HP4 will validate it.
 
I HATE the R!

(Mainley because i dont have one and not sure i could spend that much for a motorcycle anyway) :D
 
i you're heading trackside

getting a secondhand 8Kmiles base is the best buy..

you'll be changing the whole lot anyway!

We're all missing the point :

the fact that the base is that close to the R says much more on the base then on the R... that Pani is one hell of a bike!

but sod it! i got an R and will strip it...

why an R .. well : def not a Tricolore .. want the GPS!
the exhaust is going on anyway.. and will be mapped through a Rapidbike.. why a rapidbike race? well not to mess with the warranty (plug and play)

why not a base? well i insist on having abs.. and adding abs on a base will put me into Marelli country...

is the base a wonderfull bike, the R is great value for money
but the R is in fact an SP ..

and they should come out with a real R.. without the des but with the FGRT203 30mm internals
and superstock 320 floaters and a set of Pirelli and Michelin TCS chips.
 
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The R was created for wsk rules, thats it. Everyone is just jealous that with all their carbon bits and full exhaust on the S that they purchase last year added up could have bought an R. The R is just a better bargin if you put the goodies on. If I could do it over I would get the R, based on price alone. I do agree tho that the engine being the same as the R is quite dissapointing. My 999r was completely diff. from an S. As said, one could by a base and build a far superior track bike for less. Then again no one would see it at Starbucks....................just kidding.
 
Capt CF said:
We just covered some of this in another thread..

Base - is the bike..
S - LED headlights, electronic Ohlins suspension, CF front mudguard, lighter/different wheels
Tri - same as S, but with fancy paint job, Termi slips and DDA+
R - same as S, but with fancy paint job, full Termi exhaust, adjustable swing arm, a dozen carbon fiber bits to reduce weight, ti con rods, a lighter flywheel, DDA+ and 500 more RPMs to redline/more HP
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i already got the "S". Thinking of buying one for track, but i guess not "R"
1) fancy paint job, and dozen of carbon fiber bits will be removed and replaced by track fairling
2) full termi exhaust is good, but the cost difference seems not reasonable
3) DDA - i will change the whole system to AIM system so no use for me
4) 500 more RPMs to redline / More HP, is the only advantages but i cannot manage it
 
If Chevrolet went all out, made a revolutionary engine on a next generation chasis with all the bell and whistles you could imagine (plus more), and put the Z06 label on the side of it - and then offered the same engine in their C6 model, does that really make it any less of a revolutionary engine? Or does that mean that Chevrolet (Ducati, unless you haven't picked up on it yet) is actually a marketing genious and making this revolutionary product available to the public on multiple different (reasonable) platforms. Like the previous posts have stated, do the math, you are getting a lot of motorcycle for the money. Would you prefer that they just up the price and call it snob goods?

BTW - Go out and spent $$$ on carbon fairings as well as.............oh yeah, there is not much else you can do to this bike!

News flash, more potent cams and higher compression pistons DO NOT COST MORE to manufacturer. So they would be scamming you if they utilized them and charged you more!
 

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