Ducati 1299 Panigale S Anniversario - Pictures and Info

Chaotic · Jul 14, 2016

reganc said:
depends on your riding style.

Street Yes.Track No

I actually feel the opposite is true.

For the street, it doesn't matter. This Anniv model wont get anyone to the store any faster, through the mountains any quicker, it won't be better leaving red lights, etc. For street riding, I wouldn't go through the trouble or spend the extra money. The ride won't be any different or more enjoyable, aside from maybe the extra torque and midrange of the 1299 motor, but that is only if somebody is extracting every ounce of power out of their 1199R on the street, which is highly unlikely.

But for the track, I would take the new 1299S over the 14R any day. Unless I am mistaken, the 14R doesn't have the same IMU based electronics with the Wheelie Control, etc. So the electronics package will be much better, which will increase safety and could produce better lap times.

Not to mention the increased midrange would be handy coming off corners.

Notec · Jul 15, 2016

NotR1GSXZXR said:
I hear you my friend, I am happy for you you don't have this problem,but I've seen few people on this board complain about this, here is what I did @first went to a dealer ,they bled my clutch , didn't fix the problem, changed to aftermarket slave cylinder with motul race oil , problem is still there ,I guess nothing is perfect in this life,

on other note if I would be on the market for a street (not track)bike I would buy this Aniversary for sure , so TJ99 give us iPhone 9 soon so we can all switch

I see. That sucks for sure. Good luck and hopefully the dealer can get it sorted.

NotR1GSXZXR · Jul 18, 2016

Notec said:
I see. That sucks for sure. Good luck and hopefully the dealer can get it sorted.

Thanks Man!! I gave up on my dealer to fix this , it looks like its a hassle, to book a date because they're busy, they don't fix this, what they do is re-bleed the clutch lines with fresh oil and that's it , problem comes back after you ride for few 100 miles. Thinking to change my clutch cylinder to brembo aftermarket maybe that will work better

Moose · Jul 20, 2016

Need help guys! I just ordered a new 1299 S Anniversario and I am having difficulty getting information regarding the full Akrapovic race exhaust system. I recieved the email below from 1 dealer I am working with and I am still a bit confused.

Email received -
The bad news is you're not going to like the answer on the exhaust. The bike is coming with the homologated slip-ons on it (i.e. with catalytic converters in them), not the "race" Akra slip-ons. So just adding headers will not create a full "race" system. You'll need to add the full Akra race exhaust to get it set up that way. Unfortunately with the recent legislation in California outlawing "race" exhausts, there's pretty much no chance Ducati is ever going to ship a bike into the U.S. again with a "race" exhaust since all the bikes are shipped to California spec. So back to the good news, I do have a full Titanium Akra race system in stock! But more bad news, because the 1299 S Anniversary is coming with the all-new "EVO" electronics package on it, there is still uncertainty as to whether the up-map key will actually work with that bike right off the bat. There's potential (I'd say likely) that it will be a couple months down the road before Ducati will have performance maps available that will work with the new electronics package. It's the price you pay as an "early adopter", much like the guys who bought Superleggeras and waited a couple months before the "final" performance maps came out. We can certainly install the Akra full system on the bike but there might not be an up-map to install with it right away to take full advantage of the exhaust. The bike will run fine with the stock mapping and the Akra exhaust, just won't make the most power it can until it has the performance map installed. So if that all didn't scare you away, let me know and I'll see what I can work up for you.

I guess my question is if you are going to pay for a full Race exhaust system wouldn't it be fair to say you would like the full performance the exhaust is capable of delivering? Are the maps available and will they work with the new "EVO" electronics? I'd rather not be wasting money on a full titanium race exhaust if there are no maps available or I am unable to gain the full performance of the system added? Any help here would be greatly appreciated.

Chaotic · Jul 20, 2016

You do not need the Upmap. I have the full Akra EVO Ti Racing exhaust on my 1299S. No upmap.

The upmap is nothing more than a preset map that alters the air/fuel ratio for the different exhaust. That is it. It is nothing different than the generic maps you can download from Dynojet for the Power Commander.

A generic map will NEVER be as good as a custom dyno tune for YOUR bike.

Get the exhaust you want, get a RapidBike tuner, have the bike dyno tuned.

Done.

Rogue · Jul 20, 2016

Makes sense. I think someone mentioned that the anniversary model came with the race system and I thought there was no way.

As Chaotic mentioned, you don't need the upmap.

double0 · Jul 20, 2016

It's been mentioned that the bike will come with the standard cans with the cats. That will be what is installed on the bike but you will also get the akrapovic race slipons separately. It just won't be installed on the bike. If you can get your hands on the titanium headers from somewhere, then that would make it a full system.

Wallaroo · Jul 20, 2016

This is what it comes with.......'2 in 1 in 2' system with catalytic converter and 2 lambda probes. Twin stainless steel mufflers with aluminum end caps.

This is the extra's..... Laser-inscribed billet aluminum top triple clamp, 90th anniversary graphics, EVO traction and wheelie control, lithium-ion battery with included charger, carbon fibre heel guards, carbon fibre rear mudguard, carbon fibre shock cover, included ........ (Akrapovič titanium racing exhaust).......... , billet aluminum mirror hole covers, license plate holder cover.

I dont think getting the full Ti headers and fitting them is going to be a problem

ygfamily21 · Jul 20, 2016

double0 said:
It's been mentioned that the bike will come with the standard cans with the cats. That will be what is installed on the bike but you will also get the akrapovic race slipons separately. It just won't be installed on the bike. If you can get your hands on the titanium headers from somewhere, then that would make it a full system.

my dealer today told me anniversario coming with akro slipon installed not seperately... hmm

Ryfly05 · Jul 20, 2016

Moose said:
Need help guys! I just ordered a new 1299 S Anniversario and I am having difficulty getting information regarding the full Akrapovic race exhaust system. I recieved the email below from 1 dealer I am working with and I am still a bit confused.

Email received -
The bad news is you're not going to like the answer on the exhaust. The bike is coming with the homologated slip-ons on it (i.e. with catalytic converters in them), not the "race" Akra slip-ons. So just adding headers will not create a full "race" system. You'll need to add the full Akra race exhaust to get it set up that way. Unfortunately with the recent legislation in California outlawing "race" exhausts, there's pretty much no chance Ducati is ever going to ship a bike into the U.S. again with a "race" exhaust since all the bikes are shipped to California spec. So back to the good news, I do have a full Titanium Akra race system in stock! But more bad news, because the 1299 S Anniversary is coming with the all-new "EVO" electronics package on it, there is still uncertainty as to whether the up-map key will actually work with that bike right off the bat. There's potential (I'd say likely) that it will be a couple months down the road before Ducati will have performance maps available that will work with the new electronics package. It's the price you pay as an "early adopter", much like the guys who bought Superleggeras and waited a couple months before the "final" performance maps came out. We can certainly install the Akra full system on the bike but there might not be an up-map to install with it right away to take full advantage of the exhaust. The bike will run fine with the stock mapping and the Akra exhaust, just won't make the most power it can until it has the performance map installed. So if that all didn't scare you away, let me know and I'll see what I can work up for you.

I guess my question is if you are going to pay for a full Race exhaust system wouldn't it be fair to say you would like the full performance the exhaust is capable of delivering? Are the maps available and will they work with the new "EVO" electronics? I'd rather not be wasting money on a full titanium race exhaust if there are no maps available or I am unable to gain the full performance of the system added? Any help here would be greatly appreciated.

These quotes are from post 94 & 107 in this same thread. And they come from the Panigale product manager. So I'd say your dealer is either mis-informed or trying to sell you a $5k+ full race system.

TJ99 said:
The slipons aren't homologated, they're the Akras, so they don't look like the OEM. To be clear the bike comes with the OEM homologated exhaust mounted, and the Akra slipons as extra.

TJ99 said:
Where are you getting your info? The Anniversario comes with Akra racing slip-ons, i.e. not homologated, i.e. no noise/emissions compliance necessary. So those save some weight and are a bit more free flowing.

ygfamily21 · Jul 20, 2016

i say they are full of $hit. it is coming with race slip on. Ducati NA website even says it.

Moose said:
Need help guys! I just ordered a new 1299 S Anniversario and I am having difficulty getting information regarding the full Akrapovic race exhaust system. I recieved the email below from 1 dealer I am working with and I am still a bit confused.

Email received -
The bad news is you're not going to like the answer on the exhaust. The bike is coming with the homologated slip-ons on it (i.e. with catalytic converters in them), not the "race" Akra slip-ons. So just adding headers will not create a full "race" system. You'll need to add the full Akra race exhaust to get it set up that way. Unfortunately with the recent legislation in California outlawing "race" exhausts, there's pretty much no chance Ducati is ever going to ship a bike into the U.S. again with a "race" exhaust since all the bikes are shipped to California spec. So back to the good news, I do have a full Titanium Akra race system in stock! But more bad news, because the 1299 S Anniversary is coming with the all-new "EVO" electronics package on it, there is still uncertainty as to whether the up-map key will actually work with that bike right off the bat. There's potential (I'd say likely) that it will be a couple months down the road before Ducati will have performance maps available that will work with the new electronics package. It's the price you pay as an "early adopter", much like the guys who bought Superleggeras and waited a couple months before the "final" performance maps came out. We can certainly install the Akra full system on the bike but there might not be an up-map to install with it right away to take full advantage of the exhaust. The bike will run fine with the stock mapping and the Akra exhaust, just won't make the most power it can until it has the performance map installed. So if that all didn't scare you away, let me know and I'll see what I can work up for you.

I guess my question is if you are going to pay for a full Race exhaust system wouldn't it be fair to say you would like the full performance the exhaust is capable of delivering? Are the maps available and will they work with the new "EVO" electronics? I'd rather not be wasting money on a full titanium race exhaust if there are no maps available or I am unable to gain the full performance of the system added? Any help here would be greatly appreciated.

Moose · Jul 20, 2016

Thanks everyone for your input. It's always greatly appreciated.
My belief at this time is I would only need to purchase the Evo ti header to complete the full race system. Obviously, an up-map/custom tuning will be required to reach optimum performance. No offense Chaotic, I have been riding 25+ years and every bike I've owned has been modified and I've spent time racing as well. I just don't see why anyone would spend the thousands of dollars for a "Race" system and not utilize a different up-map or alter air/fuel ratios to obtain the full performance value. Just seems to be a complete waste of time and money. Know what I mean? I guess my concern is what, if any, up-maps exist, where to acquire them and with the new "EVO" electronics exclusive to the Anniversario edition will there be any adverse affects to the new traction control parameters. I would the think the traction control features would not be affected and only the air/fuel ratio's. Does that make sense?

double0 · Jul 20, 2016

Some people like myself don't care too much about maximizing performance based on the mods that are done to the bike. The bike is pretty damn good and stupid fast right out the box as is. Modding my bikes and cars are a hobby and a lot of fun. The end result, not so much. I got the full Akra because it sounds like ... and looks awesome. The only 2 deciding factors for me when purchasing an exhaust. Since I knowingly got into a brand that practically rapes its consumers when it comes to the aftermarket performance parts, I had no other choice but to pay the $3k price. If I had to, I'd do it again. I've got a lot of performance mods and don't ride it like it may be intended but ...., it sure looks sexy and to me, that's the main thing that's gonna put a smile on my face. Now that I'm pretty much done with the mods, I'm almost bored with it n trying to figure out what else I could do without doing anything major, just cosmetic.

Moose · Jul 20, 2016

I agree with you doubleO. It is more of a hobby these days. However, if I spend any money on additional performance measures it is solely for that purpose. My purpose is to gain performance, not bragging rights because I have a Titanium exhaust and someone else doesn't. I'm not into impressing anyone but myself. That sounds kinda weird but I think you know what I mean. I just enjoy testing my own abilities and see what I can come up with next. Shaving weight and adding a few hp all while increasing power to weight ratios and getting the suspension right just makes for a bike that is even more fun to ride. Anyone can turn a throttle and go fast on a straight away. Anyone can buy all the bolt-ons the market has to offer. How these products are applied and the performance advantages that can be achieved is more of the joy for me these days.

Wallaroo · Jul 20, 2016

Power to weight.......There is the magic ingredients

Rogue · Jul 20, 2016

Moose said:
Thanks everyone for your input. It's always greatly appreciated.
My belief at this time is I would only need to purchase the Evo ti header to complete the full race system. Obviously, an up-map/custom tuning will be required to reach optimum performance. No offense Chaotic, I have been riding 25+ years and every bike I've owned has been modified and I've spent time racing as well. I just don't see why anyone would spend the thousands of dollars for a "Race" system and not utilize a different up-map or alter air/fuel ratios to obtain the full performance value. Just seems to be a complete waste of time and money. Know what I mean? I guess my concern is what, if any, up-maps exist, where to acquire them and with the new "EVO" electronics exclusive to the Anniversario edition will there be any adverse affects to the new traction control parameters. I would the think the traction control features would not be affected and only the air/fuel ratio's. Does that make sense?

You don't need the up-map when using a third party module like Tuneboy or RapidBike. Chris isn't advocating a pipe with no tune.

Chaotic · Jul 21, 2016

Moose said:
No offense Chaotic, I have been riding 25+ years and every bike I've owned has been modified and I've spent time racing as well. I just don't see why anyone would spend the thousands of dollars for a "Race" system and not utilize a different up-map or alter air/fuel ratios to obtain the full performance value. Just seems to be a complete waste of time and money.

I guess my concern is what, if any, up-maps exist, where to acquire them and with the new "EVO" electronics exclusive to the Anniversario edition will there be any adverse affects to the new traction control parameters. I would the think the traction control features would not be affected and only the air/fuel ratio's.

Did you read my post? If so, then your reply doesn't make any sense.

I specifically said the upmap only alters the air/fuel ratio, that is it. Then I said to get the Race exhaust, then get a Rapidbike tuner and get a custom dyno tune.

Let me break it down for you further...

The Upmap is just a generic air/fuel ratio that some guy at Ducati figured would be good enough for every bike. That is it. It is nothing special. Just a downloaded generic A/F map.

A RapidBike tuner and custom dyno tune will ALSO alter the A/F ratio, but it will be specific for YOUR bike. And a map built for your bike will ALWAYS be better than some generic map somebody created on another continent. Not to mention the tuner can spend time at the lower throttle %'s making the bike easier to ride.

The Upmap, or dyno tune, has absolutely nothing to do with TC, WC, or any of the other electronics.

Once again, I stand behind the points made in my first post. You DO NOT need any upmap. It only alters A/F ratio. Get the exhaust you want, get a RB tuner, have the A/F ratio altered by a professional on the dyno so it will be specific to your bike.

Chaotic · Jul 21, 2016

As a follow up, since the bike comes with those Akra cans, I wouldn't bother with anything else. No, the headers won't be Titanium, but you wont notice that when riding. I would bet a month's salary that you could ride up there with the OEM headers and Akra cans, have it swapped, then ride home with the Ti headers and Akra cans, and you would not notice not even 0.1% of a difference.

Moose · Jul 21, 2016

Understood. I totally understand where your coming from. I have simply received info from dealers that may have caused confusion and I am only looking to clarify with facts. I sincerely appreciate your input and I believe you are correct. Evwn myself i couldnt understand how a fuwl/air ratio change would effect anything else. Im just unfamiliar with the programming on the Panagale. Just trying to make sure no one has run into issues similar to the ones I stated.

Chaotic · Jul 21, 2016

Nope, no issues whatsoever. Like I said, the Upmap just alters A/F ratio (just like a RapidBike does). The difference is that the RB can be finely tuned to your exact bike/exhaust/fuel/elevation/etc.

As a side note, I wouldn't trust the information you get from ANY dealer. In my experience, they are clueless. There are a few exceptions of course. D&D Cycles in Pensacola (where I get my stuff), Indy Ducati, and a few others are good. But typically speaking, I haven't been impressed with any of the others when it comes to technical knowledge.

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