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Duck41 said:
I must say I'm stumped by these types of comments. Considering no official specs have been released in addition to the fact that this bike hasn't even been publicly confirmed by Ducati yet, I'm not sure how you could make these claims, or even why you would want to, without having any kind of data to substantiate them.
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Well I am basing it on this years wsbk, only 1 podium finish this season for the Panigale by badovini. this is where I am basing my comment.
 
not sure where the animosity comes from. . maybe jealousy that there will be a bigger/badder bike in a similar vein as the bike most people here own ? Not sure ?

Also, listing other brands makes no sense either ? The same Honda CBR guys wonder how you would spend 20-30k on a bike that you might tip over in your garage as well. . So its all relative. .

And to take that further - its not always about ultimate performance either. If it was - then no one here would have bought the panigale at all - you would have all bought the BMW S1000RR. . . Same with cars - the 911 in various iterations can out perform just about every single Ferrari and Lambo made - but people still buy those cars for other factors. . .

if you are unable or unwilling to buy Ducati's latest offering - so be it. . . But criticizing them for coming out with a better/faster/lighter model makes no sense at all. .
 
anthem said:
not sure where the animosity comes from. . maybe jealousy that there will be a bigger/badder bike in a similar vein as the bike most people here own ? Not sure ?

Also, listing other brands makes no sense either ? The same Honda CBR guys wonder how you would spend 20-30k on a bike that you might tip over in your garage as well. . So its all relative. .

And to take that further - its not always about ultimate performance either. If it was - then no one here would have bought the panigale at all - you would have all bought the BMW S1000RR. . . Same with cars - the 911 in various iterations can out perform just about every single Ferrari and Lambo made - but people still buy those cars for other factors. . .

if you are unable or unwilling to buy Ducati's latest offering - so be it. . . But criticizing them for coming out with a better/faster/lighter model makes no sense at all. .
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I agree 110% :)
 
RD16RR said:
I agree 110% :)
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I'm all about a better, faster, lighter model


but c'mon $65K is just ripping people off

I'ts ok though....there will be enough suckers that will pay sticker on it, then sell it in a couple years for a huge loss with 100 miles on it. That's where the real value is......patience.....
 
anthem said:
not sure where the animosity comes from. . maybe jealousy that there will be a bigger/badder bike in a similar vein as the bike most people here own ? Not sure ?

Also, listing other brands makes no sense either ? The same Honda CBR guys wonder how you would spend 20-30k on a bike that you might tip over in your garage as well. . So its all relative. .

And to take that further - its not always about ultimate performance either. If it was - then no one here would have bought the panigale at all - you would have all bought the BMW S1000RR. . . Same with cars - the 911 in various iterations can out perform just about every single Ferrari and Lambo made - but people still buy those cars for other factors. . .

if you are unable or unwilling to buy Ducati's latest offering - so be it. . . But criticizing them for coming out with a better/faster/lighter model makes no sense at all. .
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+1! Well said! :cool:
 
gnance said:
I'm all about a better, faster, lighter model


but c'mon $65K is just ripping people off

I'ts ok though....there will be enough suckers that will pay sticker on it, then sell it in a couple years for a huge loss with 100 miles on it. That's where the real value is......patience.....
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I'm actually surprised its cheaper than the previous top of the line. Not sure why Ducati is actually leaving money on the table there - because anyone willing to pay 65K will more than likely be willing to pay 72K. .

In terms of new vs used - depends on what you are planning on using it for. You might think there is value - but in reality there might not be. . . If you're buying to let it sit there and you think its going to appreciate in value - your sorely mistaken (though some will because they've always done this). If you're planning on buying it and you ride the hell out of it - then you're going to get very good value. .. Because like the Desmo, if you had bought it new and rode it hard for 2 years, you had everything taken care of - and those repairs were/are/is expensive. . . People buying the desmo used, may have saved 20-25K off the new price, but the cost of an valve/piston will easily blow that number to hell in a hand basket. . . how hard are you willing to ride your out of warranty bike ? If you were under warranty, the only thing you cared about was not to drop it. You didn't baby it or anything else. .. and that was the beauty of buying a new bike under warranty. It really depends on what type of materials are on the bike - and whether they are one-offs like the desmo, or whether its still utilizing a lot of stock 1199 parts.. If its one off-s then there will be significant risk buying a used model. If its homologation, then probably not so much.

And honestly I don't see how 65K is ripping people off. They are creating 500 units (though I think that number may change) at 65k. Thats a total of what 32.5M in total revenue. How much in actual R&D, marketing, boondoggles, warranty costs, etc is part of that 32.5M ? Not sure they'll even make money on it. Its more about embellishing the Ducati ownership experience for them to do this every few years because the reality is that at most they make a few million on this if that much. Work the numbers backwards and you'll see.
 
anthem said:
I'm actually surprised its cheaper than the previous top of the line. Not sure why Ducati is actually leaving money on the table there - because anyone willing to pay 65K will more than likely be willing to pay 72K. .

In terms of new vs used - depends on what you are planning on using it for. You might think there is value - but in reality there might not be. . . If you're buying to let it sit there and you think its going to appreciate in value - your sorely mistaken (though some will because they've always done this). If you're planning on buying it and you ride the hell out of it - then you're going to get very good value. .. Because like the Desmo, if you had bought it new and rode it hard for 2 years, you had everything taken care of - and those repairs were/are/is expensive. . . People buying the desmo used, may have saved 20-25K off the new price, but the cost of an valve/piston will easily blow that number to hell in a hand basket. . . how hard are you willing to ride your out of warranty bike ? If you were under warranty, the only thing you cared about was not to drop it. You didn't baby it or anything else. .. and that was the beauty of buying a new bike under warranty. It really depends on what type of materials are on the bike - and whether they are one-offs like the desmo, or whether its still utilizing a lot of stock 1199 parts.. If its one off-s then there will be significant risk buying a used model. If its homologation, then probably not so much.

And honestly I don't see how 65K is ripping people off. They are creating 500 units (though I think that number may change) at 65k. Thats a total of what 32.5M in total revenue. How much in actual R&D, marketing, boondoggles, warranty costs, etc is part of that 32.5M ? Not sure they'll even make money on it. Its more about embellishing the Ducati ownership experience for them to do this every few years because the reality is that at most they make a few million on this if that much. Work the numbers backwards and you'll see.
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there you go....you did it again...!! great writing skill, good motorcycle knowledge and level headed thinking...makes you a true blue, dyed in the wool, real enthusiast - i can appreciate this refreshing type of communication 110% :)
 
RD16RR said:
there you go....you did it again...!! great writing skill, good motorcycle knowledge and level headed thinking...makes you a true blue, dyed in the wool, real enthusiast - i can appreciate this refreshing type of communication 110% :)
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seriously?
 
I think this thread gets more and more polarised as it continues....:rolleyes:
 
I just want to know how you get on the list to get "The Call" from DNA? Are there gold tickets wrapped inside Ducati leathers? I also imagine that you'd get a personal tour of the Wonka Ducati factory....loll.

Seriously, Has anyone here been contacted yet? If so then you have out cooled everyone here ;)
 

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