Ducati Panigale V4 25th Anniversario 916
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30K for a paint job kinda sad....
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Meh, whats the cost on the Corse Paint Job?
Whats the limited numbers production of that bike?
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I guess I'm in the minority. 100% my personal opinion.. The problem with the R bikes is they're meant to be track bikes. They're high strung, made of "higher maintenance" parts, and just aren't as streetable as an R. My 749R will burn it's own carbon fairings off that cost $4500 a side thanks to the "factory" Termi exhaust. My Panigale R has enough blow by to cause an oil slick. Two piston rings and high lift valves are just not meant to be "used" and put away wet. I'm after a bike that's more special than a standard V4 or an S but that I can still use without the R maintenance.
I'm not going to argue with your logic but I'd like to point out a couple of things.
1) I have ridden the V4R and the V4S back to back for about 20 miles each. I don't need to go into detail as others have done a better job but I found the V4R to be a superior bike in several key areas.
2) This is supposed to be the anniversary of the 916, one of the- if not THE- most important and iconic racing bike in Ducati history. You're going to slap the 916 name on as lower tier model, give it a neat paint job, put on the dry clutch, and call that "special?" Sorry, that's not right.
If you wanted a V4S all along and didn't want the Speciale (which are much cheaper on the used market right now, by the way) and this is more to your liking then I have no problem with that.
However, if you have an affinity for the 916 gen SPS, Corsa, and R models like I have then this bike falls so short of what I was so ready to buy. And they didn't have to reinvent the wheel. All they needed to do was a V4R motor, frame and suspension, gold magnesium wheels, this same painted S bodywork, and a race kit like what came with my superleggera. They could have done all of that for 40k and I would have taken the first one to hit US shores. Depreciation be damned. It would be an epic bike to own and ride and I'd have a very high spec V4 that I could pile up miles on and enjoy owning for years and years.
Instead, it's nothing worthy of a 916 Anniversary name and nothing close to a suitable "Fogarty edition," in my opinion (and my bank account's opinion). They dumbed it down instead of making it what it should have been.
Look, as I said, I have the right to change my mind later but at this point I think I am going to stay on the sidelines and hope Ducati makes something better.
A little off-topic here, what's your objection to the 1299 SL?
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...it tends to urinate
My Final Edition needs to be ridden north of 55 , not in traffic and she is fine. It is not a stop and go bike.
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That's because it is not officially unveiled until tomorrow, so no you won't find any specs. All it is, is a tarted up V4S with some bolt on goodies and a paint job. As has been said, to herald 25 years of the 916 like this is, in my opinion, way short of the mark for such an iconic bike. I believe Ducati should have spent their time more wisely and in a truly worthy representation of the bike.
If they really want to make something memorable then perhaps a Carlin Dunne (RIP) V4 Streetfighter for later this year, as a suitably fitting tribute.
Specials these days seem to amount to no more than Ducati raiding their parts bin and chucking a new paint scheme on. The fact that this "special edition" is tied to the 916 is laughable. They could have done so much more if they chose to, but instead are preying on the fickle with money to burn.
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All they needed to do was a V4R motor, frame and suspension, gold magnesium wheels, this same painted S bodywork, and a race kit like what came with my superleggera. They could have done all of that for 40k
^^^Why would they do all that for he same price as the R?? I dont disagree with you but they would never do all that for 40k
^^^Why would they do all that for he same price as the R?? I dont disagree with you but they would never do all that for 40k
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Well, that's the difference between trying to sell a few more V4's and trying to create a true following. Obviously, Ducati is not my company and I don't call the shots but as a supplier to some of the world's best brands and someone involved with brand exclusivity, this is what I would have done and why:
I would have built what I said in that earlier post and put it at the same price as the V4R and then done an application process for the bike. The most qualified people get the bike and there would be a one year hold on reselling it. There's 500. Ducati would sell every single one and there would be enough margin in each at the $40k. Trust me, they're not going to miss the extra few k and it would have so much for Ducati other than just the sales of a few more V4's.
First, people would understand that Ducati is serious about rewarding their most faithful customers which there's not enough of in todays' world. Instead they're doing what turns off faithful customers - a cash grab. Not only does that not help them get a better following but it hurts them.
Second, they would create the pattern of making special bikes at a special price (i.e. NOT the 1299SL at $85k) for their best customers and that would encourage more brand loyalty, not less.
Third, it would bring back the whole thing of a special bike's actually being special - there would be more demand than supply - and people would start getting cued up for the next one so that they could get the next one, which they would like to have.
Ultimately, it looks like nothing more than a weak attempt at a cash grab and it's not going to do anything for the brand. The price is going to priced lower than the R but more than the Corse but as mentioned, there's something truly compelling or special about it and as such, it's a major missed opportunity for Ducati.
I didnt expect it to be anything other than a tarted up V4S, perhaps with Akra slip-ons, different coloured wheels and a paint job but that design is just plain lazy and disappointing. They've even put those f@#king Foggy eyes on it.
The 1299S Anniversario was a much better looking bike.
I think its time to scratch the Hypermotard itch..
The 1299S Anniversario was a much better looking bike.
I think its time to scratch the Hypermotard itch..
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I think that business wise you are running on the assumption that ducat is making money on the R. I would guess that they are in fact losing a substantial amount on the R and that it is a positioning tool.
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Nope. It is definitely a skewed ratio on the R on a "per part" basis but overall they're not losing money. Their margins are solid on the R. There are definitely parts that are way beyond the norm (In the engine in particular) but they offset that with a ton of cheap parts throughout in order to maintain a near standard margin. I do have a little inside info on the pricing of that model and I know there's a change coming.
I do know that to make the bike I proposed, it would be a seriously reduced margin for them but that's sort of the point - a real reward for they're most loyal customers.
And honestly, I am sort of on the fence about the R motor for a street bike. I could take it or leave it as I would use it mostly for mountain canyon riding. The rest of the V4R, chassis-wise, is sublime, however, and that's the part that this bike should have had from the beginning.
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...he was asking about the 1299SL....i chimed in for fun.....and when i say urinate, i don't mean coolant
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Ferrari have been known to opt for such an approach with a ban on resale for a specified time period, which helps weed out those kneejerk buyers who ordinarily won't keep it for much longer than the time it takes for the ink on the purchase contract to dry. Instead it lends itself to true collectors or those who intend to use it be it on track or on the road, for an appreciable length of time. For these individuals, Ducati could or rather should have come up with something worthy of bearing the 916 moniker. With the right drool worthy features, some imagination and a fewe classy touches, they'd have sold them all in a heartbeat. What a waste of an opportunity. No doubt King Carl is getting a nice slice of moolah from Ducati for putting his name to it, but I wonder what he really thinks of it, away from the lure of a pay cheque and the media.
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