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I have a 2012 Tricolore wth full Termis and PCV and autotune and I get about 177 too on a Dynojet dyno.
 
what modification did ducati do to get the extra oomph? power is produced by burning gas and air. all three models have the same displacement so what gives? better breathing?
 
desmodromic system said:
what modification did ducati do to get the extra oomph? power is produced by burning gas and air. all three models have the same displacement so what gives? better breathing?
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Raising compression, different cam profile, faster rev, better flowing, it all adds up.
 
SO,
The ultimate question is.... What would the expected total cost be to go from 166Rwhp(BASE Model) to 192 Rwhp(SL)

Prices we already know are
Cams $1450ish,
Pistons $2100ish,
Lightened SL'd Crank. $????.
What needed for higher comp $???.
Lighter Ti Rods $????(Base Model only)
Lighter R model Flywheel. $???(Base Model only)
Ti Valves $???
Full Race Exhaust system $2500-4000 Dep on which one.(Base Model only)

Base Model benenfits/Results = + 26RWHP
1199R Model Benefits/Results = + 15RWHP.
 
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imbloodyskintagain said:
SO,
The ultimate question is.... What would the expected total cost be to go from 166(BASE) est to 192 rwhp(SL)

Prices we already know are
Cams $1450ish,
Pistons $2100ish,
Lightened SL'd Crank. $????.
What needed for higher comp $???.
Lighter Ti Rods(not needed for "R Model) $????
Ti Valves $???
Full Race Exhaust system $2500-4000 Dep on which one.

Results = + 26RWHP
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Don't forget ECU reflash or tuning module, labor, and dyno time.

Also factor in risk. If a stock motor were worth 10k, you throw in 8k worth of fancy parts, and guess there is a 20% chance you'll mess up and burn it down, that's a risk of $3600 you are taking. Your warranty is gone, but that number assumes you are taking the risk, but does not account for the fact that the warranty would might denied for something unrelated to the rebuild.

In my mind, I wouldn't start down that road without $15k set aside for the project.
 
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So, have any of you tried the SL cams in a std engine ?
Will there be enough clearence between piston and valve with the increase in lift ?
 
BowHunter said:
So, have any of you tried the SL cams in a std engine ?
Will there be enough clearence between piston and valve with the increase in lift ?
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Doubt if anyones got there yet, the part number just became available.
 
BowHunter said:
So, have any of you tried the SL cams in a std engine ?
Will there be enough clearence between piston and valve with the increase in lift ?
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We are just about ready to assemble the motor was just waiting for the inlets to arrive .
I suspect some minor machining may be needed will confirm later .
 
jarelj said:
Doubt if anyones got there yet, the part number just became available.
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We already have ours . Any thoughts on that crank yet ?
I am thinking that having a lighter crank and flywheel while making the engine rev will be detrimental to top end speed at certain tracks ?
Maybe fitting a heavier flywheel for some high speed tracks to get some inertia back ?
 
wilkson said:
We already have ours . Any thoughts on that crank yet ?
I am thinking that having a lighter crank and flywheel while making the engine rev will be detrimental to top end speed at certain tracks ?
Maybe fitting a heavier flywheel for some high speed tracks to get some inertia back ?
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Any thoughts on ordering a SL crank and using the R flywheel?

Can you even get the SL crank?
 
We are in the process of doing this as well. Ben Fox is in Malaysia but once he is back he is going to rebalance our crank. Cams are ordered.
 
Now,
Do lighter Ti rods and flywheel just effect the engine pickup or do / should they help in a small part with rwhp?
Reason I ask is the "R" seems to be knocking out around the same rwhp as the base and S models with full termignoni systems. (Depending on dyno)
 
BowHunter said:
So, have any of you tried the SL cams in a std engine ?
Will there be enough clearence between piston and valve with the increase in lift ?
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In further discussions regarding my motor we are only days away from receiving my pistons .
The standard pistons will need to be machined to take the extra lift with the SL cams as I am using the SL pistons this will not be necessary I am assuming .
The combustion chambers of the heads need to be modified to take the extra dome of the SL pistons .
 
This interested me when I spotted few days ago in for sale thread/post.

" superstock engine build Jan 2014- includes remapped ECU/tuning, thinner head gaskets and superstock spec cam timing.
Before:
Full termi, MWR air filter: 171.40 HP @ 11,300 rpm, torque 86.93
After:
Full termi, Sprint air filter, MR-12, BMS tuning (head gaskets, timing, tuning), 192.64 HP @ 11,300 rpm, 95.73 torque
(before/after dyno chart available email) "

Have asked him what was done to engine internally to get that HP, Which I assume is RWHP?
 
imbloodyskintagain said:
This interested me when I spotted few days ago in for sale thread/post.

" superstock engine build Jan 2014- includes remapped ECU/tuning, thinner head gaskets and superstock spec cam timing.
Before:
Full termi, MWR air filter: 171.40 HP @ 11,300 rpm, torque 86.93
After:
Full termi, Sprint air filter, MR-12, BMS tuning (head gaskets, timing, tuning), 192.64 HP @ 11,300 rpm, 95.73 torque
(before/after dyno chart available email) "

Have asked him what was done to engine internally to get that HP, Which I assume is RWHP?
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Your answer is right there, that's what he did. The MR-12 is good for about 10rwhp alone.
 

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