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As I said in October in the SL thread and then in the 1299r thread Ducati are doing the V4 for WSBK and seeing the rule change allows them to build only 500 for homologation, this is what they will probably do. But they are still going to build the Panigale.
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The 1299 maybe be in it's final iteration, however it is also a much more refined and reliable platform,(though not completely). A new V4 would be lik the 2011 launch of the Panigale , amazing but frought with years of heartache while they fix everything. Meanwhile, I will be riding my 1299
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Easier to meet emissions, easier to get revs/power out of. With what Ducati has done with a V-twin, I can't imagine what a Desmo V4 might do.
Negatives are that it will likely weigh more and they present packaging issues.
RexD - it really comes down to what you want from a motorcycle, most of my riding is road with the occasional track day thrown in. For me the twin is preferable, I love the engine characteristic, the low weight and narrowness of the bike.
If you're a track fiend then the undoubtedly track focussed V4 that Ducati may or may not build might be better.
If you're a track fiend then the undoubtedly track focussed V4 that Ducati may or may not build might be better.
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An "L" is a V at 90 degrees. What's your problem?
i believe the Ducati GP bike has all been L-4s. Ducati are more than capable of producing a L-4 superbike. So i don't think it's a technical challenge. It's more marketing and sales issue with Ducati's fanbase suggesting only twins belong on a Duc.
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Their MotoGP bike is a V4.
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It's a L.
I was recently reading an article about how that 90 degree angle makes for packaging/weight distribution issues since it limits your ability to move the engine around in the frame.
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I think we're getting into semantics here. Per the link you provided: Liquid-cooled, 90° V4, four-stroke, evo desmodromic DOHC, four valves per cylinder.
Also from Sportrider: Ducati's MotoGP Speed | Ask The Geek | Sport Rider
Every source will tell you it's a V4, despite the angle.
ETA: The Honda RC213V is 90° as well.
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It's like squares and rectangles. All Ls are Vs but not all Vs are Ls.
The Desmo is a V4 in the same way it isn't incorrect to call the Panigale a V2. The Honda isn't a L because the front cylinder bank doesn't extend at or near parallel to the ground and the rear one isn't sitting at or near vertical. It's angle + cylinder bank positioning that distinguishes them.
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l or v really? who cares we want 4 cylinders in some shape that isn't inline. the twin has reached its max point.
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It's a Ducati/marketing thing. They can deny a V4 but they won't deny an L4.
Plus it makes perfect sense. Ducati can shift it's stance on it's heritage by stating they will stick to it's grass roots formula of 90 degrees while just adding cylinders.
It's trying to keep the purists happy while adding the cylinders that so many crave. Trouble is you can't please all of the people all of the time.
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purists happy lol thats so funny. Purists like to deny technology or that something can be better and are usually left behind.
Purist for example keeps stating a manual transmission is better then dual clutch. purist never wins a race again as its impossible to shift as fast as the computer nor do you have as much control. he will claim the driving experience is better or he has more feel or control that's nonsense. Are you still listening to records or tapes or even cds? no? why technology is better. you do get the "purists" that claims the cd has better sound quality than an MP3. i say stop your nonsense and move on.
L4 V4 Q4 S4 whatever you want to call it bring on the 4
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purists happy lol thats so funny. Purists like to deny technology or that something can be better and are usually left behind.
Purist for example keeps stating a manual transmission is better then dual clutch. purist never wins a race again as its impossible to shift as fast as the computer nor do you have as much control. he will claim the driving experience is better or he has more feel or control that's nonsense. Are you still listening to records or tapes or even cds? no? why technology is better. you do get the "purists" that claims the cd has better sound quality than an MP3. i say stop your nonsense and move on.
L4 V4 Q4 S4 whatever you want to call it bring on the 4
i get it for racing but for the average rider you do not need a bike in excess of 200bhp that you can only ride because of the computers.
it's probably why i get so much pleasure from riding smaller displacement bikes that you control using your throttle and brake only, maybe that makes me old school but i'm a far better rider as a result of it.
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