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i had a Golf VR6 when i was 23. man that thing was cool. loved that engine.
sold it for an RSV Mille though. that thing was cooler
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There still life left in the v2 for at lease one more model run:
DVT + Direct Injection + Double Clutch/seamless transmission.
Supercharger could work, but the complex nature of this on a twin (more so with a panigale type frameless bike) would only really put it in a exotic model.
Turbo wouldn't work to well in a twin.....
The current Superleggra engine is rated at 230. So apart from the lighter internal parts the engine design itself seems to have some power left to find.
DVT + Direct Injection + Double Clutch/seamless transmission.
Supercharger could work, but the complex nature of this on a twin (more so with a panigale type frameless bike) would only really put it in a exotic model.
Turbo wouldn't work to well in a twin.....
The current Superleggra engine is rated at 230. So apart from the lighter internal parts the engine design itself seems to have some power left to find.
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As I've said before, Ducati doesn't "need" a V4.
It is capable of putting almost 200hp to the wheel (after removing gov't restrictions), right off the showroom floor while having a very sensible service interval.
It has ran up front in WSTK since it came out, and won more races than any other bike in WSBK this year.
As it is now, they have to constantly restrict power via electronics because the rear can't keep traction or the front can't stay down.
More power would just mean more electronic intervention.
Keep in mind it makes all that power while having the mechanical grip advantage due to the power pulses of the Twin. That makes it easier on tires and in theory, better in the rain.
If they make a V4, that would be awesome. Love my RSV4. But to say they "need" one is silly.
It is capable of putting almost 200hp to the wheel (after removing gov't restrictions), right off the showroom floor while having a very sensible service interval.
It has ran up front in WSTK since it came out, and won more races than any other bike in WSBK this year.
As it is now, they have to constantly restrict power via electronics because the rear can't keep traction or the front can't stay down.
More power would just mean more electronic intervention.
Keep in mind it makes all that power while having the mechanical grip advantage due to the power pulses of the Twin. That makes it easier on tires and in theory, better in the rain.
If they make a V4, that would be awesome. Love my RSV4. But to say they "need" one is silly.
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I suspect one issue is what it takes to get those numbers out of a twin though. They are really pushing the envelope of that configuration. Kinda like when they managed to beat the 1000cc 4's in WSBK with the 999, but had to run a Moto GP budget to do it. To do what they have done for their street bike is nothing short of amazing IMHO. They really should be applauded for it.
That said, they are a boutique brand, so they can get along just fine selling higher priced bikes that cost a ton more to develop.
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I love the V4 on my Tuono. I read all the complaints from this forum since day one about how the 1199 power was sluggish down low, but never understood the reason behind it until...I rode the Tuono. If the Panigale or next superbike Ducati gets the V4 it'll be an even better bike. Usable power everywhere! (Even in a parking lot) We shall see I suppose.
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rated 230 lol come on man you know better than to believe those numbers. if it was 230 it hit it one time for a millisecond on a dyno with extreame conditions etc etc. you dont really think the SL with the same engine puts out 230 real hp do you?
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...while i'd agree, there is always an R somewhere in the line up - having owned a 1199 & a sedici....the width at the knees was wider - yes - offensive - no
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The RSV4 is tiny compared to I4s. I wouldn't expect a Ducati V4 to suddenly be much wider and heavier...especially if they maintain the monocoque chassis.
As far as the power, it basically comes down to smaller pistons can move faster and build up power better than 2 bigass ones. The good part is that with a V4, you still maintain some of the mechanical grip advantage due to the power pulses (same thing Yamaha achieves with their crossplane design).
As far as the power, it basically comes down to smaller pistons can move faster and build up power better than 2 bigass ones. The good part is that with a V4, you still maintain some of the mechanical grip advantage due to the power pulses (same thing Yamaha achieves with their crossplane design).
230 are you on crack??
this is a bike made for going around corners putting a turbo on it or supercharger will totally destroy it.
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Not quite. When it comes to power, EVERYTHING comes down to pumping air through the ports and valve skirt area. A modern 4 cyl will have twice as many valves, and will for that reason have a MUCH larger valve skirt area and an advantage on higher rpms. That's why a 2cyl gets 200cc more to play with, in order to make the same top end power with it's valve deficit, because the valves would stall/choke as the gas velocity would become too high. Go with roller valves instead og poppets, and you would see 1000cc twins and fours make the same power. The impact of the reprocicating mass is minimal, especially on a big bang V. Om lower rpms it's no contest. A 200cc bigger (or 300cc for the 1299) engine with the same top end Will always have a wider power band.
When it comes to the advantage the big bang has over a screamer, it is the power pulses. Or rather lack of them. In a screamer, all the pistons are stationary at the same time. Accelerating them saps rotational energy from the rotating mass (crank, flywheel, gearbox, wheel), causing awful secondary vibrations compared to a big bang. So even if you as a rider feel less primary vibrations om the screamer, the secondarys are way worse and causes a higher tire wear.
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man. it will surely be interesting to see what Ducati will do with V4. Am I only one excited to see whats to come?
Not saying I'm bigger fan of V4 vs Twins as I love my R and will keep it.
Not saying I'm bigger fan of V4 vs Twins as I love my R and will keep it.
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If we are wishing for stuff, I am still waiting for the 749R.
I was hoping the move up to 1299, then subsequent move to 959, was done to create room for a true (read: legal) Middleweight bike.
Give us a 749R with the superquadro engine putting out 125hp and 65ft/lbs of torque, with Ohlins, Marchesinis, etc that tips the scales under 330lbs wet in race trim.
I would buy 2 of them immediately for racing.
I was hoping the move up to 1299, then subsequent move to 959, was done to create room for a true (read: legal) Middleweight bike.
Give us a 749R with the superquadro engine putting out 125hp and 65ft/lbs of torque, with Ohlins, Marchesinis, etc that tips the scales under 330lbs wet in race trim.
I would buy 2 of them immediately for racing.
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Well, as nobody has a dyno printout yet nor even a indepht test ride I can really only go off whats been written about it.
I can always go back and speak in metric.....
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I'll second this. 125hp/330lbs would be a blast.
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I'd buy a competition eligible middleweight Panigale if there was one...
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