End of R and new 1299?

My non-educated guess...(friends in pic are pleading the fifth, this is purely my conjecture)

R remains 1199cc for homologation purposes, but gets SL engine and electronics. I seriously doubt they are going to allow another displacement increase for WSBK in light if how well the Panigale performs in SSTK and Evo

Other models get the 1299, which won't be near as techy as the R, but is still the big stick on the street and will make similar peak figures but more torque and rev a lot lower

My dream is a 1299 Hypermotard, which would probably be the most awesome last few seconds of my life ever.

Ljuice26 said:

It's official.

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Any details??

Buliwyf said:

Same bike, more stroke. Who wants to bet against me?

The Panigale is the 1st homerun in the looks department since the 916. I don't expect them to mess that up yet.

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Agreed!

All I got was that it will have 10 more. I assumed that meant HP. There will be an R model as well. I didn't ask for anymore details because now I have to decide or a new 1299 or stick with my F3 800 purchase.

Ljuice26 said:

All I got was that it will have 10 more. I assumed that meant HP. There will be an R model as well. I didn't ask for anymore details because now I have to decide or a new 1299 or stick with my F3 800 purchase.

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Have not read the whole thread but could it just be a photoshop joke that got out and was perhaps meant just for fun. ??

I hope this is not true considering I just got my SL two weeks ago

Was hoping that the SL would be the latest and greatest for at least a few years.

it was in A&R. .... like this makes me just want to sell my Panigale and buy a 2015 R1. I mean for a company with racing in their blood, they couldn't see this coming, that the 1199 in its current form can't compete in the upper echelons. Just make the V4 and be done with it.

Makes me feel like I should have kept my RC8R...lol.

NoGoodID said:

I hope this is not true considering I just got my SL two weeks ago

Was hoping that the SL would be the latest and greatest for at least a few years.

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I highly doubt that there will be anything in the next few years being able to top the SL

"these pretzels are makin' me thirsty"

Ducati Panigale 1299R, novità a sorpresa a Eicma - News - Moto.it

from what i can understand ducati will be showing the new 1299R at EICMA in November

kaido said:

Ducati Panigale 1299R, novità a sorpresa a Eicma - News - Moto.it

from what i can understand ducati will be showing the new 1299R at EICMA in November

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very nice indeed !

So, what will happen with WSBK and STK1000 racing?

As far as I can see in the drafts for the 2015 WSBK technical regulations, the 1200cc limit for 2-cylinder machines will not be changed to 1300cc.

So, will Ducati not homologate this new 1299cc Panigale for racing at all then, and only have a race model (like the RS now) with a 1199cc engine available for teams that would want to race Ducatis?

One of the issues with the Panigale at the moment is the rather large cylinders (600cc each) combined with the high revs. This causes a huge amount of mass moving at very high speeds, causing a lot of stress on the crank and connecting rods. Especially when racing the bike and using the STK ECU (or any other racing ECU) to raise the RPM limit.

This causes a lot of engine failures (especially for those racing the S-model with steel rods, but it has also happened with a number of R's). Adding 100cc more will probably increase this problem, so I'm guessing titanium rods on all models from 2015?

google translate of the article:

The news of a new Panigale 1299R , accompanied by a panel with the photo of the bike with an engine capacity in evidence, was given during an American convention dedicated to the Ducati sales network. On this occasion it was awarded the dealership of Portland ( here you can see their Panigale from "off-road ") as the best dealer in the USA for the second consecutive year. And so the photo of the winners, with the image of the Panigale's shoulders, it's over at the moment on their fb page.

We can tell you that the note Panigale 1199 will be a list , while the new version 1299R will be presented in November at the Milan became the spearhead of the series. At EICMA, as we have already written, we will see even the new Multistrada and the fact that it got a new engine blown leads us to believe that it can also be fitted on the Multistrada 2015, of course with the necessary modifications of the case. The debut of the Scrambler is instead expected to Intermot in a couple of weeks.

The Panigale 1299R has headlights led , aesthetics remodeled and new plant exhaust. The engine of cubic capacity has grown to remedy a "shortage" of shooting at medium - the criticism had been made ​​to the 1199 - and not just to increase the power which, remember, is currently of 195 hp at 10,750 rpm.

The increase in capacity will not, at least at the moment, in fact Superbike technical regulations since the 2015 was clearly defined and techniques to give you more opportunities than in the past two-cylinder engines. So much so that the grille of the upcoming season will see a greater number of Ducati at the start. Two years ago, when the Panigale struggled a lot in SBK , more than one pointed out that the ratio of a cylinder with four-cylinder engines were unfavorable . Now it is not so but it is certain that in Bologna also worked in optical competitions for the foreseeable future. Soon we learn more and we will update you.

Maurizio Gissing

Moto.it

September 17, 2014

It is worth noting that a model number bump is not necessarily a displacement change. The 1199 is an 1198cc motor as most of you know. If Ducati wanted to increment the model number they don't have very good options.

Jello said:

It is worth noting that a model number bump is not necessarily a displacement change. The 1199 is an 1198cc motor as most of you know. If Ducati wanted to increment the model number they don't have very good options.

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1198.5cc motor. at .5 we round up. hence, 1199

would it be technically feasible to use existing components (crankcase, etc.) to bump the displacement to 1299?

if so, the sleeves, pistons or cranks should be able to be installed in the 1199 engines...


not that they do it lice mercedes for example, taking a smaller size engine as baseline and than naming it higher with different mapping (saw it in europe with the A160/180/200CDI) - all the same 1.6 l engine, just different power configs

I would think so, Ducati wouldn't do it if the costs were super high IMHO.

I also echo the concern with this thing surviving on a race track though at elevated rev's, the R version would have to be pretty special inside.

Here is is:

Ducati Panigale 1299R, novità a sorpresa a Eicma - News - Moto.it

jello said:

it is worth noting that a model number bump is not necessarily a displacement change. The 1199 is an 1198cc motor as most of you know. If ducati wanted to increment the model number they don't have very good options.

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1199.5??

"The news of a new Panigale 1299R , accompanied by a panel with the photo of the bike with an engine capacity in evidence, was given during a convention dedicated to the American Ducati sales network . On this occasion it was awarded the dealership of Portland ( here you can see their Panigale from " off-road " ) as the best dealer in the USA for the second consecutive year . And so the photo of the winners , with the image of the Panigale 's shoulders , it's over at the moment on their fb page .

We can tell you that the note Panigale 1199 will remain on the list, while the new version 1299R will be presented in November at the Milan became the spearhead of the series. At EICMA , as we have already written , we will also see the new Multistrada and the fact that it got a new engine blown leads us to believe that it can also be fitted on the Multistrada 2015 , of course with the necessary modifications of the case. The debut of the Scrambler is instead expected to Intermot in a couple of weeks.

The Panigale 1299R has LED headlights , aesthetics remodeled and new exhaust system . The engine of cubic capacity has grown to remedy a " shortage" of shooting at medium - the criticism had been made to the 1199 - and not just to increase the power which, remember, is currently of 195 hp at 10,750 rpm.

The increase in capacity will not, at least at the moment, considering that the effects in the Superbike technical regulations 2015 was clearly defined and techniques to give you more opportunities than in the past two-cylinder engines . So much so that the grille of the upcoming season will see a greater number of Ducati at the start. Two years ago, when the Panigale struggled a lot in SBK , more than one pointed out that the ratio of a cylinder with four-cylinder engines were unfavorable . Now it is not so but it is certain that in Bologna also worked in optical competitions for the foreseeable future . Soon we learn more and we will update you .

Maurizio Gissing"