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Thanks so much WAfatboy. You and people like you are the reason forums are indispensable for owners looking to avoid wasting time, money and tears if they're not the "pioneering" type.
Your reports have made my decision to just upgrade my Termi slips with the Termi header. I can get those for around $1,500 or so, they're quieter (the slips are loud enough for me) and I probably can get away with just the up-map that comes with them instead of hours and hours tuning and aftermarket fuel controller stuff to compromise my remaining 22 months of warranty.
Your reports have made my decision to just upgrade my Termi slips with the Termi header. I can get those for around $1,500 or so, they're quieter (the slips are loud enough for me) and I probably can get away with just the up-map that comes with them instead of hours and hours tuning and aftermarket fuel controller stuff to compromise my remaining 22 months of warranty.
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I was interested in the very begininng, but how it altered the look and the extreme loudness, I lost interest early. It is very similar in power to Termis, so the only reason to buy it would be the looks/sound. But what hoops would someone have to go through to get the perfoamnce of the bolt on Termi? I do't have the resouces for dyno tuning here (oters don't as well), so I guess you would be forced to buy the RB from AR, and trust (yea, right) their numbers as being yours.
@WAf,
It would be awesome if you could share the final map so those of us with an AR exhaust could have a solid starting point. I know you said via PM, that you don't have access to them directly because you've been dealing with a tuner. It should be easy enough to download them from the ecu or maybe your tuner saved them?
I would be happy to pass some $$ your way which would help offset some of your costs.
It would be awesome if you could share the final map so those of us with an AR exhaust could have a solid starting point. I know you said via PM, that you don't have access to them directly because you've been dealing with a tuner. It should be easy enough to download them from the ecu or maybe your tuner saved them?
I would be happy to pass some $$ your way which would help offset some of your costs.
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Thanks WAfatboy. A very clear & unbiased report on this product. I'm sure other members appreciate the time, effort & $$$ you put in to this. It gives us a chance to make informed decisions for ourselves.
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So in summary....
You like the end result.
You were mad at AR about how they handled the process. Although I still maintain all this could have been avoided had you just dealt with them in private while the kinks were worked out.
The pipe is not a "magic elixir" that promises something it wont' deliver. It does deliver, but like I said had a few things to be ironed out. Not really a surprise given it is so new and not many real world experiences to drive development at this stage of the game.
Can everyone shut up now?
You like the end result.
You were mad at AR about how they handled the process. Although I still maintain all this could have been avoided had you just dealt with them in private while the kinks were worked out.
The pipe is not a "magic elixir" that promises something it wont' deliver. It does deliver, but like I said had a few things to be ironed out. Not really a surprise given it is so new and not many real world experiences to drive development at this stage of the game.
Can everyone shut up now?
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nobody can shut up, not even the ones asking for it.
we're back on schroedingers cat.
and gnance, why are you suddenly trying to regulate something here? you must have learned in the meantime this won't work out
we're back on schroedingers cat.
and gnance, why are you suddenly trying to regulate something here? you must have learned in the meantime this won't work out
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Can all of the casual observers please take note here who just ruined this thread too?
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nobody can shut up, not even the ones asking for it.
we're back on schroedingers cat.
and gnance, why are you suddenly trying to regulate something here? you must have learned in the meantime this won't work out
He's a slow learner that's for sure.
People who complain about people complaining. Must be a cop.
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lol
Hell yeh the pipe delivers, I have it....thanx for the post but I agree you should and could have dealt with rich directly instead of back stabbing the guy on this forum.....rich has a real great rep and did not deserve yours or anyone's else's ..........look at the master piece the guy gave to us all, I seriously challenge any manufacturer to cum up with a lighter, better looking, better sounding, better performing pipe....... Well done austin...
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just wait till this AR pipe blows apart in short order [just like the Aprilia one's did] with those welds and thin material. you think the bracket breaking was bad...and then of course Rich will blame you the customer and/or the installer.
if WAf tuned the full Termi ad nauseam like he did the AR he'd have similar result and saved a pile of money and grief.
Rich = FAIL
AR = FAIL
Burnsy = FAIL
gnance = FAIL
the proof aka REALITY is all over this forum.
WAf called it like it is, saying NEVER would he buy this AR nonsense again. that IS the conclusion. period.
PSA over.
if WAf tuned the full Termi ad nauseam like he did the AR he'd have similar result and saved a pile of money and grief.
Rich = FAIL
AR = FAIL
Burnsy = FAIL
gnance = FAIL
the proof aka REALITY is all over this forum.
WAf called it like it is, saying NEVER would he buy this AR nonsense again. that IS the conclusion. period.
PSA over.
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quote: WAf called it like it is, saying NEVER would he buy this AR nonsense again. that IS the conclusion. period.
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and even if it is only his conclusion. it is his right to claim this.
if burnsy wants to open a "i got the AR exhaust and i love it" thread, it's his right to do so.
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and even if it is only his conclusion. it is his right to claim this.
if burnsy wants to open a "i got the AR exhaust and i love it" thread, it's his right to do so.
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These are Rich's words, Burnsy can't talk like this.
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