group buy - titanium oil drain bolts

Phl · Mar 14, 2017

Hi Ed,

on these i didn't cut the slot deeper. this was to ensure to make the threads go all in and the backing surface to sit flush.

I took calipers and measured the distance form pan surface to first inner component and measured 21+ mm, so yes, there is less clearance, but on the other hand - it would only affect the touching surface area. the way the bolt is designed, lots of surface area is exposed on the cylindrical surface.

Will provide pics of depth measurement etc. later.

BTW if this turns out to be a deal breaker for anyone , let me know and we get you a refund going.

Thanks,

Phil

Phl · Mar 14, 2017

ok, got back from the shop.

Endodoc, i can confirm your findings with the tube in there. i guess the caliper measurements didn't reflect the angle of the bolt properly.

so with 2 washers installed, there is enough clearance.

i am currently checking for spare/thicker washers at McMaster, for those who would want to install them on a quick turnaround.

for all others with a bit more time, i will just make another round of bolts, shorter and with the magnet more recessed. this is the only way to address it properly and it's on my pocket, since it has been all my error.

Cheers!

Phl · Mar 14, 2017

oh and yes, the bike needs a wash.

Phl · Mar 14, 2017

playing around in the CAD system, it seems that the easiest (and possibly quickest shipping) solution is to add a 2mm thickness on the washer surface.

Milepost · Mar 14, 2017

Phl said:
For all others with a bit more time, i will just make another round of bolts, shorter and with the magnet more recessed. this is the only way to address it properly.
Cheers!

Hey Phl, you can put me down for a couple of these once you get back to making the new version.

I will send you a PM about your other hardware....Thanks

HeronB · Mar 14, 2017

Phl said:
playing around in the CAD system, it seems that the easiest (and possibly quickest shipping) solution is to add a 2mm thickness on the washer surface.

I have noticed that I have been ignore in so many posts. Don't care!! I just want to give you my point of view (2cents)

Wouldn't be easier to drill the existing Drain bolt hole 3mm deeper for the magnet to go further in to clear rather than having a thick washer??

My 2 cents.

Thanks.

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Trauma · Mar 14, 2017

HeronB said:
I have noticed that I have been ignore in so many posts. Don't care!! I just want to give you my point of view (2cents)

Wouldn't be easier to drill the existing Drain bolt hole 3mm deeper for the magnet to go further in to clear rather than having a thick washer??

My 2 cents.

Thanks.

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May not be enough clearance:

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endodoc · Mar 14, 2017

Did you not read the issue? the magnet is bottoming on the plastic pick up tube. Just what were you proposing we drill 3 mm into?

Milepost · Mar 15, 2017

endodoc said:
Did you not read the issue? the magnet is bottoming on the plastic pick up tube. Just what were you proposing we drill 3 mm into?

Sooo... It would seem to me that the answer is to install a .125" shorter high temp N40SH neodymium magnet (3/8"x1/4") of near equal strength and shorten the thread length by 4mm.....

It would also be a little lighter in weight too!

Phl · Mar 15, 2017

ok, all in all combined - here is what i suggest:

i will make a new set of bolts, shorter, magnet recessed, etc. on my pocket.
in the meantime, i will send out extra washers for you guys who want to install theirs right away.

this one here was easy to tighten, and has no clearance to the PU-tube:

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it's a quick fix, not the prettiest, but it works, kraaitchs also usses several washers to get the alignment of their adapters right:

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that will get the pressure out a bit, since i know that the manufacturer will not be able to ship anything within the next 4 weeks.

Quest · Mar 15, 2017

Phil,

I can add a washer myself... no need to mail a washer - seems silly and a waste of money.

The bolt works and a washer will never be seen. THanks

Bob

MMC · Mar 15, 2017

I'm fine waiting...don't need a washer mailed.... Oil gets changed frequently enough....

timwu12 · Mar 15, 2017

Hey Phil,

I'm fine waiting as well, don't need a washer.

Will you want these bolts back once you send us the new updated ones?

If so, I'll refrain from installing it into the pan now so that it remains clean and unused in case you want to mill it down to resell it.

Phl · Mar 15, 2017

timwu12 said:
Hey Phil,

I'm fine waiting as well, don't need a washer.

Will you want these bolts back once you send us the new updated ones?

If so, I'll refrain from installing it into the pan now so that it remains clean and unused in case you want to mill it down to resell it.

i will provide return shipping envelopes but it's up to you guys.
in the end you will have a "not so optimal bilt" that requires 2 washers and the one later on how it should have been in the first place.

I am still baffled how i let this happen ... in my job i test and analyze / plot things 3-4 times, not sure why i assumed with that bolt it would fly like that.

Twistedracer · Mar 23, 2017

Any time frame Phl?

Phl · Mar 24, 2017

no confirmation as of now. i assume ~6 weeks, as before.

please post up here that i can send you the extra washer if you want one in the meantime.

thanks,

Phil

Styler · Mar 28, 2017

Phil:
I have the Kraitsch device shown in your post (#170). Please clarify; is clearance an issue is clearance issue when using this device?
Also, the magnet appears to be held in place under its own magnetic force; however, it is easily removed for cleaning. I assume that you are confident that the magnet will never come loose when installed on the bike; correct?
If clearance is not an issue when using the Kraaitsch adapter and the magnet is secure, then I do not need a replacement part.

Phl · Apr 18, 2017

Update.

New shorter style is in production.

Will let you know when they are ready to ship

Phl · Apr 18, 2017

Styler said:
Phil:
I have the Kraitsch device shown in your post (#170). Please clarify; is clearance an issue is clearance issue when using this device?
Also, the magnet appears to be held in place under its own magnetic force; however, it is easily removed for cleaning. I assume that you are confident that the magnet will never come loose when installed on the bike; correct?
If clearance is not an issue when using the Kraaitsch adapter and the magnet is secure, then I do not need a replacement part.

Oops just saw this.

You will need several washers to make it work with the kraaitech.

Yes, the magnet appears to be easily removable, but if it's installed while even knocking it on a hard surface, it won't come out. The holding force of the magnet is 8lbs, plus depending on the install situation like with the kraaitech- even less of a concern...

mordor · May 11, 2017

Hi Phl
Just wanted to hear how the process with the replacement bolts is going, if you have gotten an ETA from the producer?

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