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Got it back and today was one of the few days without thunderstorms so I got to put some miles on. Full system didn't change the starting so it's not the fuel mapping. Blipping the throttle works with 2 hands, one on the throttle and one on the starter, as when I tried one hand there isn't enough "finesse" to fire it up without throwing a bunch of revs. Service manager said they'll order me a new started if I was still having problems. I'll probably pick up the motowheels 18 Ahr battery and put that in with a fresh starter.
 
sorry, no didn't mean for it to sound that way. In my experience typical issues with a flooded charcoal are very rough running, poor idle and stalling. I don't think the emission cannister is any related to the starting issues being experienced by some.


Ducati Dreams said:
This is true though it wouldn't explain the starting issues after a ride when the tank is a couple gallons down.
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Had this issue the other day...it was hot out but not terribly bad...around 80 degrees. Stopped for lunch and came out about 45 mins later and it would not start. Tried a few times but rather than run down the battery I stopped. Then I remembered reading about hot starting issues with this bike and decided to wait another 45 mins. Then it started right up.

Spoke to the Service mgr at the dealer about it and they are going to log it as an issue with DNA. I am also going to point him to this thread to give him some ammo and know that I am not the only one experiencing it.

He didn't seem to think you could bump start the 1199 because of the electronics but it sounds like you can. Thats good to know but highly embarrassing for a new expensive model.
 
I haven't had any starting issues, but if it's heat related I'm kinda screwed. Waiting for the bike to cool down here could take..........???

I'm thinking it might be the charcoal filter cartridge thing ZVEZ mentioned because I'm pretty sure I don't have one, I think that's US model specific.
 
The bike is very voltage sensitive, as I discovered today. Tried to start her (after not riding for four days): no joy. Checked battery voltage: 12.5.

Put on the Optimate from my portable power supply (I don't have power in my garage - worse luck) for 40 mins. Started up first time.

Worth checking and keeping on a battery charger if possible. Wish I could with mine...
 
12.5V is good for a 12V battery sitting idle. Should charge around high 13 or low 14V if it is like everything else.

Chris
 
Got starter replaced today. Voltage was 12.5V not running, 13.9V while running. New starter is new part # and hopefully new design. Dealer replaced while I waited. I like the service, hope I don't have to keep using warranty claims, but 2 years is a nice warranty.

Chris
 
turnone said:
Got starter replaced today. Voltage was 12.5V not running, 13.9V while running. New starter is new part # and hopefully new design. Dealer replaced while I waited. I like the service, hope I don't have to keep using warranty claims, but 2 years is a nice warranty.

Chris
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Good for you...! ;)
I'm still waiting for the dealer to call me back with an ETA on the starter.
They told me that the order was confirmed/accepted by DNA at no charge, under warranty claim.
Though, they told me DNA needed a week before they can confirm ETA on the part...:rolleyes:
 
I had this issue occur today. I was riding for a bit and stopped for probably 45min to an hour. Went back out and as I'm getting ready with all my gear, a guy is talking to me about Ducati's and asking me if they are good bikes, etc.

I go to start it and it just wouldn't fire. I tried giving it some gas and it would pop like it was getting too much fuel. Finally, I did the two hand method as mentioned above and it finally started. It idled like total crap for a brief moment and I had to stay on the throttle to keep it from dying (it did once). Once I got going it ran fine.
 
SoonerNation said:
I had this issue occur today. I was riding for a bit and stopped for probably 45min to an hour. Went back out and as I'm getting ready with all my gear, a guy is talking to me about Ducati's and asking me if they are good bikes, etc.

I go to start it and it just wouldn't fire. I tried giving it some gas and it would pop like it was getting too much fuel. Finally, I did the two hand method as mentioned above and it finally started. It idled like total crap for a brief moment and I had to stay on the throttle to keep it from dying (it did once). Once I got going it ran fine.
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The very next time I went to start mine after that event, the starter had failed. I recommend you park on a hill ;)
Chris
 
Wow, your experience is nearly identical to mine except my starter grenaded after the 5th attempt and I allowed the bike to die after applying the "dreaded throttle" touch. That was the only thing that was getting the bike to fire was by adding throttle but I guess I should have stayed with it based upon the experiences of those in this topic. The bike just didn't sound right so I didn't feel right keeping the throttle open and allowed it to die. Big Mistake.... Oh well, I will pick up my bike on Tuesday and wait for the next event and follow some of the advice gleamed from this forum. Thanks!!!
 
d1098man said:
starting to think the base 1199 non-abs doesnt fall into this category....my bike never has that issue
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Sorry to burst the bubble but my base non abs with slip ons experienced the exact same failure and grenaded the starter.
 
rm4two said:
I haven't experienced this problem or the white smoke issue either. But I do remember reading somewhere that you should not overfill your tank. Something about the excess fuel will flow into the emission system making the bike hard to start. I thought I read it in the owners manual? I'll see if I can find it again.
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It was stated on the sticker that was on the tank.
 
I'm not sure if it's related, but my hard starting problems seemed to go away after I started plugging my bike into a Battery Tender when not in use. I say "seemed" because I've only ridden one day since starting to use the BT, but I rode 260 miles that day with at least 10 hot starts and did not have any starting problems.
 
NoGoodID said:
I'm not sure if it's related, but my hard starting problems seemed to go away after I started plugging my bike into a Battery Tender when not in use. I say "seemed" because I've only ridden one day since starting to use the BT, but I rode 260 miles that day with at least 10 hot starts and did not have any starting problems.
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I met a guy from JHP Racing at Silverstone a few weeks ago. He had two Pani Ss there. I think too that the company is connected to Ducati Coventry. Anyhoo, whilst chatting to him he highly recommended connecting the Panis up to a BT every night! I did not ask why though.
 
My bike has been on a battery tender since day one and I still had the problem. Not to be a party pooper but want to lay that myth to bed. The dealer tested all of my battery functions and they were perfect and checked the charging system. Again perfect. I was concerned that my bike was slow to achieve full charge but we tested the other demo bike in the shop. With both bikes running electronics and then charged, my bike achieved full charge in 45minutes and the demo 55minutes. I do not believe this to be a low voltage condition causing the problem but rather a slow start, draining the life out of a small battery due to the repeated attempts.
 
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mavic said:
My bike has been on a battery tender since day one and I still had the problem. Not to be a party pooper but want to lay that myth to bed. The dealer tested all of my battery functions and they were perfect and checked the charging system. Again perfect. I was concerned that my bike was slow to achieve full charge but we tested the other demo bike in the shop. With both bikes running electronics and then charged, my bike achieved full charge in 45minutes and the demo 55minutes. I do not believe this to be a low voltage condition causing the problem but rather a slow start, draining the life out of a small battery due to the repeated attempts.
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Sounds like you're testing the voltage under virtually no load. You need to hook the voltmeter up whilst cranking the engine over to see what the voltage sags to.
 
Actually tested with a load tester to verify capacity as I agree that without a load, just DVM voltage reading is a very poor measurement to rely upon. The battery tender verification is only done to determine rate of charge and of course is done without a load.
 

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