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I'm south florida also and worried about this problem when mine gets here. This is really unacceptable and needs to be resolved. 1) It makes Ducatis look like what people already think when in front of others it does not start. 2) When I go riding with my wife and she jumps on her 14k Repsol and it starts right up and I can't start the 26k bike that I had to have...
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I've been riding in 100 F weather the last few days and have no issues with starting. I live in Colorado so the bike naturally will run rich do to the altitude and lack of air density but still no issues. It does take a few cranks to get going but nothing like stated on this thread.
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MadeinItaly, I would not worry but I would be aware. Not everyone is having the issue, not sure why but I for one am pushing Ducati and my Dealer very hard. They probably hate me at this point but I am looking for something much closer to perfection after paying the huge price for this bike. Early solutions include the charcoal canister removal. I am looking into a vacuum actuated switch or electrical switch that I can actuate myself to see if we can truly isolate that as the cause of the rich condition. This could be interactive with another component. We just are not sure. Get your bike, enjoy it and if it gives you problems after riding and sitting for a short period, you might tune in to see what we have found.
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Good for you...!
I'm still waiting for the dealer to call me back with an ETA on the starter.
They told me that the order was confirmed/accepted by DNA at no charge, under warranty claim.
Though, they told me DNA needed a week before they can confirm ETA on the part...
So,
The dealer finally got the starter from Italy this afternoon.
They told me Ducati sent a new starter, an upgrade/new version from original one. Part # was changed from 132A to 133A...
I should get my bike back in 2 days...
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Got the word from the dealer. They collected all of the data and have put in the order for a new fuel pump. With luck, this will be the fix. if not, I have another plan and will post once that plan is put into action. Until then, it is a 3-5day wait. I will pick up on my lunch hour and test immediately.
Well after waiting for a week for the rain to stop. my girlfriend and I went for a nice ride today. the bike had 91 miles when we started, it now has 200. 109 miles today. it was 88-90 degrees here today. after riding 30 miles we stopped for lunch. after sitting for a hour. she went to leave and of course it wouldn't start. after numerous attempts I went and got it started. seems like it was flooded, black smoke, wouldn't idle for 20-30 seconds. during the cranking process, it kicked back the starter a few times. I'm thinking this starter isn't going to last long. FYI. she has ridden more miles on the bike then I have. she loves it.
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Yes I'm looking forward to going riding with my wife, (she rides a Repsol) and I want to take it out on 27 but and fearful for the exact reason you cited above. Have to wait and see.
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How much fuel was in the tank when this happened? This may be another contributing factor but am not sure. I know most are not looking at with as much intesity as I am at this time but I have a theory about vapor increasing with the heat of the engine and environmentals leading to "outgassing" of the fuel and charging the canister and intake manifold with fuel vapor. Being it is hot, the bike already needs less fuel due to the poor oxygen characteristics in the higher temps and with the additional vapor and potentially over rich condition from the ECU, we have a flooding condition. I have a suspicion that the amount of fuel in the tank may have some additional contribution to the amount of pressure being applied.
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Whatever you do make sure your dealer is aware of the issue and is reporting it back to Ducati or give them the link to these threads. Hope it gets sorted out soon as I hate having to even think about a brand new bike not starting when I need it to.
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Has anyone outside the US look to see if they have the canister? Its pretty easy to see if you remove the RS fairing.
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I have no doubts it's vapor lock now.
My dealer has had my bike all week.
They ran the bike on the dyno, and let it cool down 30-45 minutes. Every time it fired right back up. They did this over, and over and the bike started first try.
The second half of the week they rode the bike outdoors and let it sit in the sun. After 30-45 minutes the bike was a pain to start.
Coincidence?
They suggested doing what many here are doing with the charcoal canister. I hope this helps.
My dealer has had my bike all week.
They ran the bike on the dyno, and let it cool down 30-45 minutes. Every time it fired right back up. They did this over, and over and the bike started first try.
The second half of the week they rode the bike outdoors and let it sit in the sun. After 30-45 minutes the bike was a pain to start.
Coincidence?
They suggested doing what many here are doing with the charcoal canister. I hope this helps.
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Not sure vapor lock is the right definition but I could be wrong. To me, vapor lock is the vaporization of fuel within the fuel lines and the charcoal canister would not influence that aspect. However, the vapor being injected directly into the intake would produce the rich condition. My suggestion to Ducati is to dump the canister or put a valve into the line that prevents the injection of the vapor until which time the motor is capable of combusting the extra fuel loading. This valve could be associated with the additional vacuum created as the motor increased in revs and the valve spring would be opened during those more favorable conditions.
Of course my dealer has not figured this out and my bike has spent 18 day of the 29 days of ownership in the shop. Nor has Ducati despite multiple emails pointing to this forum and this thread. I guess some dealers and Ducati think we are all incapable of providing valuable input into a known issue on this forum.
Of course my dealer has not figured this out and my bike has spent 18 day of the 29 days of ownership in the shop. Nor has Ducati despite multiple emails pointing to this forum and this thread. I guess some dealers and Ducati think we are all incapable of providing valuable input into a known issue on this forum.
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Yes my bike is all stock. Canister still in place.
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