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Had a hard start/stall yesterday. At a light I blipped the throttle with the clutch in (bike in 1st) and the revs dropped to their death. Tried to start it immediately after and it cranked over for a good 6-7 seconds before firing back to life. Seemed like it was flooded.
 
Dealer has finished the fuel pump replacement and so far, the bike has passed 2 high temperature restarts in 95F conditons. They will put the body work on and then retest again tomorrow morning and let me know how it goes.
 
I have my bike back with new starter! Hope to test it this weekend if I can kick this cold.
I hope that's the only issue with the hot starting problem? Anyone having the same issue after installing a new starter?
 
Ok so I did a track day at Barber in Bham, extremely hot about 105 ambient temp. Track temp certainly must've been 115+.
Absolutely no issues starting the bike whether starting just after shutting off or after the bike sat in the sun for 40 minutes between sessions. It fired up easily EVERY time!
 
zvez said:
Ok so I did a track day at Barber in Bham, extremely hot about 105 ambient temp. Track temp certainly must've been 115+.
Absolutely no issues starting the bike whether starting just after shutting off or after the bike sat in the sun for 40 minutes between sessions. It fired up easily EVERY time!
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Are you sure your bike is an 1199! that is pretty unusual man. I have a brand new starter and mine does not start if the temp is over 165F ish. :confused:
 
Well the early results are in and the bike is perfect now. I am not quite ready to call it fixed but I have to say that this is very convincing. You guys may want to find out what kind of fuel pressure your bike is delivering. The only mechanism that would make sense is that the fuel is not as readily vaporized with low pressure or not delivered in the correct abundance despite my nose telling me there was fuel vapor/aka rich condition. We may be on to something. I will try to find out what specifications were determined to be good and bad(based upon my bikes numbers) so you can have your dealers check your bike.
 
zvez said:
Ok so I did a track day at Barber in Bham, extremely hot about 105 ambient temp. Track temp certainly must've been 115+.
Absolutely no issues starting the bike whether starting just after shutting off or after the bike sat in the sun for 40 minutes between sessions. It fired up easily EVERY time!
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THanks for the feedback. You are definitely a lucky person. No one I know has a bike that goes to blink on the battery tender in 8 secs and also flawless starting. I guess I am just cursed. The Duck must know I am a long time Honda departee....
 
Believe, your experiences were on my mind when I was gridded up to go on track yesterday! Fortunately was rewarded with no issues!! It's a keeper!




mavic said:
THanks for the feedback. You are definitely a lucky person. No one I know has a bike that goes to blink on the battery tender in 8 secs and also flawless starting. I guess I am just cursed. The Duck must know I am a long time Honda departee....
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I'm in the mountains this week, and no issues yet. However I blew out my knee the week before so I'm not riding much. ARGH!

The dealer uploaded a new map, and removed the charcoal canister from my bike.

Those that are not experiencing the issue I'm happy for you.

My dealer has been working directly with Ducati on the issue, and Ducati had them try several different scenarios. Mine never lost fuel pressure, so they ruled out the pump.
 
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Soulrider, hopefully you will not have any issues after pulling the charcoal canister. I still only have one change point and that was the fuel pump. It was not that the fuel pump lost pressures but rather that the pressure was comparatively low to the demo unit. I will be taking the bike in for the oil leak fix and oil change and will ask about the specs they used when the comparison was made. I do not know how easy it is to get a fuel pressure reading but am assuming that it would require an external gauge as it is not an option for the normal user or they can use the DDS computer. I will keep you posted.
 
Mine did it today for the first time. Similar scenario as with others; hot weather, stopped for a bite, bike wouldn't start after sitting for about half an hour. Spun over fine, but just wouldn't light. Let it sit another half hour or so and tried again with no luck, then tried the two-handed bit; left on the button while giving it some throttle with the right. Coughed to life, then sputtered and died twice as soon as I let off the throttle. Got it going again, same technique, but this time gave it some stick to sort of "blow it out" and it settled down and idled; temp was reading 147. Ran normally thereafter, but I had to open the throttle and coax it reluctantly to life the two times I cranked it later in the day. Wasn't really running too hot, between 175-190 mostly. A good 25 degrees cooler than my RC runs.

Due for 1st service after today, so my dealer will hear about it for sure.
 
If (when) my bike won't start, I simply bump start it by dropping it into second gear with a little momentum. If the bump does not work because I did not get enough speed before dropping it into gear, then it will start immediately thereafter using the electric start. Not elegant; totally unacceptable; but it sure beats waiting for 30 minutes in the heat and full leathers.
 
I think if I had anything remotely like this happen I'd drop the bike off at the dealer until they got it sorted.

Styler said:
If (when) my bike won't start, I simply bump start it by dropping it into second gear with a little momentum. If the bump does not work because I did not get enough speed before dropping it into gear, then it will start immediately thereafter using the electric start. Not elegant; totally unacceptable; but it sure beats waiting for 30 minutes in the heat and full leathers.
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Steve B said:
Mine did it today for the first time. Similar scenario as with others; hot weather, stopped for a bite, bike wouldn't start after sitting for about half an hour. Spun over fine, but just wouldn't light. Let it sit another half hour or so and tried again with no luck, then tried the two-handed bit; left on the button while giving it some throttle with the right. Coughed to life, then sputtered and died twice as soon as I let off the throttle. Got it going again, same technique, but this time gave it some stick to sort of "blow it out" and it settled down and idled; temp was reading 147. Ran normally thereafter, but I had to open the throttle and coax it reluctantly to life the two times I cranked it later in the day. Wasn't really running too hot, between 175-190 mostly. A good 25 degrees cooler than my RC runs.

Due for 1st service after today, so my dealer will hear about it for sure.
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just got back from a deals gap trip..and same exact issue with mine..crack the throttle and it fired but wouldn't maintain idle..only did this once..so yeah very blah
 
SOULRIDER said:
I'm in the mountains this week, and no issues yet. However I blew out my knee the week before so I'm not riding much. ARGH!

The dealer uploaded a new map, and removed the charcoal canister from my bike.

Those that are not experiencing the issue I'm happy for you.

My dealer has been working directly with Ducati on the issue, and Ducati had them try several different scenarios. Mine never lost fuel pressure, so they ruled out the pump.
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soul.. taking the bike in tomorrow.. defiantly talking to them about the canister ...btw did u get your bike at eurocycles in tampa?
 
zvez said:
I think if I had anything remotely like this happen I'd drop the bike off at the dealer until they got it sorted.
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Oh, I will. The dealer has been in contact with Ducati for this issue and the clutch issues I've been having and Ducati wants them to take it back for a strip down. They want it for up to three weeks!!!
Since my dealer is six hours a way, I'll be waiting till late in the summer when I am away on business for a couple of weeks.
 
My 1199 has been at the dealership for 24 days now. I was dismayed to have the service tech tell me that in all the effort, the hard start has actually gotten worse! The tech also hinted that he was a little disappointed in the fact that the Italians seem to be dragging their feet in the issue although they r looking for a solution. BUT what if the problem isn't ever resolved? Although it may vary from state to state, at some point I would think that the dealership would have to resume ownership and issue a refund if the problem is never resolved.
 
Chadf80 said:
My 1199 has been at the dealership for 24 days now. I was dismayed to have the service tech tell me that in all the effort, the hard start has actually gotten worse! The tech also hinted that he was a little disappointed in the fact that the Italians seem to be dragging their feet in the issue although they r looking for a solution. BUT what if the problem isn't ever resolved? Although it may vary from state to state, at some point I would think that the dealership would have to resume ownership and issue a refund if the problem is never resolved.
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Chad, the solution is there. The fuel pump coupled with resyncronizing the throttle bodies. I know this doesn't make a lot of sense but believe me it worked. My bike was very repeatable. The STEALER did a lot of work and Ducati has all of the information. Whether they act and get the fuel pump company to issue a recall is beyond our control. You can remove the canister but my bike has it on specifically so I did not throw too many change points at the bike and it works perfectly now.

SOLUTION:
Fuel Pump
Throttle Body Resync

Have your shop call Austin Ducati here in Texas and ask for Michael "Bull" Ables and/or Rory McGuire. They did all the work to get the fuel pressure readings. They would not give me the complete data for whatever reason but stated that my bikes fuel pressure dropped off as the temps increased and was 1bar lower than the Demo bike in the shop.
 
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Hot Start Prob - NoVA

First hot start issue yesterday. Stopped for hydration, tried to start after about 30 mins. Cranked over fine, but no fire. Multiple tries and I was smelling fuel. Called the Duc Pond and was told to open and close the fuel cap, then try with some cracks of the throttle. It sputtered to life. I was also told that it might be an issue with the charcoal cannister filling with fumes. Duc needs to issue a fix immediately.
 

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