Yep i'll admit it
But IMO only sexy like Ingrid Bergman
IMO the 1199 is sexy like Ava Gardner, or Lana Turner
Cheers
July 2013 Cycle World - BMWHP4 vs 1199R
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Yep i'll admit it
But IMO only sexy like Ingrid Bergman
IMO the 1199 is sexy like Ava Gardner, or Lana Turner
Cheers
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Err... um... try not to hate me but personally I think THIS is the sexiest bike out there
Now I will prolly pick up this in a few years
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Sorry. The Pani just seems bland to me in the looks department. And my helmet doesn't have a mohawk / spikes / Hello Kitty on it
This is an 1199 forum and you would say that the Panigale 1199 looks bland? I do not know what you responses you would expect to get. now about the f3 being the sexiest bike out there? To me the cyclops look was hot 12 years ago but right now, it just looks dated.
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Looks like a fancy gixxer.
Just adding a data point; July RoadRacing World mag is out and has a literbike rematch in it. They have last year's winner, the S1KRR (BMW couldn't get them an HP4 to test) against the 1199R, the MV F4 RR plus the RSV4 Factory and Kawi (the last two because they blew up last year). Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki were left out since they lost last year and hadn't had any updates. Same format; a one-day track-only shootout, with back to back dyno testing, weights and measures, etc. They ran control Dunlop KR448/449 slicks on all of them, including the Pani.
The Pani R was the lightest by a stretch at 418lbs full of fuel with the full Termi system mounted, versus 470 for the MV, 466 for the Ape, 461 for the BMW and 442 for the Kawi. It also made the most horsepower and torque (184/87) on their Dynojet 250i. The BMW made 178/75, followed by the MV at173/73, the Ape at 160/74 and the Kawi at 157/71.
End result, the BMW still came out on top, followed by the Kawasaki, the Pani R, The Ape and the F4 RR. Refinement and ease of use/rideability was the thing that did it for the top two, while lack thereof and/or weight was the downfall of the Ape and MV. RRW testers Jeremy Toye and Chris Ulrich hit the Pani hardest on unstable handling in corners and hinted it didn't get along with the Dunlop slicks well on the given settings, but they didn't mention trying much in the way of different setup, ala swingarm pivot settings, ride heights, etc. Setups were done by the manufacturers on all the bikes in the test after being given the track and tire combo that would be used. They loved how fast the R was, but suggested its hard-hitting nature vs the wider, smoother power curves of the 4's as the cause of some of the mid-corner chassis issues.
Kind of a shame they limit their tests to one-day shootouts since they can't work out setup issues very well due to time limitations, but interesting nonetheless. Have to agree with them on the power delivery; I don't really care about more top end but would cough up come dough for a torque curve without that big hole in the middle; seen a lot of dyno charts but not one yet that solves that.
All said though, I've had my Pani for a year, and like it more now than the first month I had it.
The Pani R was the lightest by a stretch at 418lbs full of fuel with the full Termi system mounted, versus 470 for the MV, 466 for the Ape, 461 for the BMW and 442 for the Kawi. It also made the most horsepower and torque (184/87) on their Dynojet 250i. The BMW made 178/75, followed by the MV at173/73, the Ape at 160/74 and the Kawi at 157/71.
End result, the BMW still came out on top, followed by the Kawasaki, the Pani R, The Ape and the F4 RR. Refinement and ease of use/rideability was the thing that did it for the top two, while lack thereof and/or weight was the downfall of the Ape and MV. RRW testers Jeremy Toye and Chris Ulrich hit the Pani hardest on unstable handling in corners and hinted it didn't get along with the Dunlop slicks well on the given settings, but they didn't mention trying much in the way of different setup, ala swingarm pivot settings, ride heights, etc. Setups were done by the manufacturers on all the bikes in the test after being given the track and tire combo that would be used. They loved how fast the R was, but suggested its hard-hitting nature vs the wider, smoother power curves of the 4's as the cause of some of the mid-corner chassis issues.
Kind of a shame they limit their tests to one-day shootouts since they can't work out setup issues very well due to time limitations, but interesting nonetheless. Have to agree with them on the power delivery; I don't really care about more top end but would cough up come dough for a torque curve without that big hole in the middle; seen a lot of dyno charts but not one yet that solves that.
All said though, I've had my Pani for a year, and like it more now than the first month I had it.
A whole lot of people complain about whole lot of problems with Ferrari and Lamborghini too. However the complainers would like to own one someday, regardless. Ain't that a dog with bonnet on.
There aint nothin' like a Ducati!!!! Celebs, glitz and the glam to it's championship racing heritage, it's a truely exotic. I am truly fortunate to say that I own a Duc!
Don't diss what you cannot afford to own! Appreciate instead it'll get you farther!
We all bleed Red baby!!!!
Viva Ducati!!!!!!!!!!
There aint nothin' like a Ducati!!!! Celebs, glitz and the glam to it's championship racing heritage, it's a truely exotic. I am truly fortunate to say that I own a Duc!
Don't diss what you cannot afford to own! Appreciate instead it'll get you farther!
We all bleed Red baby!!!!
Viva Ducati!!!!!!!!!!
And being an ex-motocrosser who street rides his R now, the hard hitting power is what I love. Smooth is required in the corners but smooth on the straights is boring to me aka inline fours.
Speaking as a HP4 "carbon" owner, the 1199R is well within my budget. So according to your stipulations, I can "diss" if I want. But I won't.
Fact of the matter is the reviewers are talking about performance characteristics you prolly can't even feel, let alone control. Least a guy like me is honest I'd be a red smear anywhere at -7 Slick mode on my HP4. So the reviews are just validation that you made the right choice.
I love my bike. The Panigale doesn't maie me want it like the 1st sight of a s1k did. All buying one would do for ME (meaning this doesn't apply to anyone except me) is complete the shallow goal of showing ppl I can buy what they can't afford. If that was the goal, I'd just tell ppl how much the watch I wear to work as a Verizon tech costs (hint: it's a Rado)
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Totally agree. Reviews at this lvl of bike are just penis envy. The hp4 is amazing and so is the pani.
thanks for teh chuckle.
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Makes me glad I don't road race my Panigale. Sort of like a sticker my brother used to have on his wall...."being single is never having to know how many faults you have".
@ Steve B - Thanks for the synopsis. I hadn't read it yet but I couldn't wait and just went ahead and read your post.
Roadracing World is about the only review I take seriously when I want to "bench race" bikes with fellow riders. I've ridden on-track with Chris Ulrich and he is incredible. He and Jeremy Toye are some of the only "moto-journalists" to be able to push bikes to their absolute limit.
Of course, I'll never have those skills so practically it doesn't mean so much, but it is nice to know how the bikes compare when ridden to their fullest capabilities.
As blazeone said, what they described as "detractors" about the Pani (agility that borders on instability and a ferocious power delivery in particular) are what make it "exciting" to me and main reasons why I chose it over any bike I considered.
Roadracing World is about the only review I take seriously when I want to "bench race" bikes with fellow riders. I've ridden on-track with Chris Ulrich and he is incredible. He and Jeremy Toye are some of the only "moto-journalists" to be able to push bikes to their absolute limit.
Of course, I'll never have those skills so practically it doesn't mean so much, but it is nice to know how the bikes compare when ridden to their fullest capabilities.
As blazeone said, what they described as "detractors" about the Pani (agility that borders on instability and a ferocious power delivery in particular) are what make it "exciting" to me and main reasons why I chose it over any bike I considered.
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You are missing out. Racing the 1199s is the only way I truly and fully enjoy it. The rest is just foreplay.
Um, you realize that many of us lowly, blue collar telephone guys make 6 figures right?
Um, you realize that many of us lowly, blue collar telephone guys make 6 figures right?
Telling a forum about your, rado, BMW bike and six figure salary, all under the guise of not wanting show people what they can't afford you can....
You're doing a pretty good job of telling everyone....
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Why are you here?
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No need to be insecure about your likes or your income here.
Yesterday a family in a station wagon stopped in front of my bike at the local fivebucks. The "Dad" jumped out and ran around his car, while blocking the lane just to take a picture of the bike! The whole while his wife was giggling with the kids as she watched her husband acting like a kid himself. I could really care less how much money they make, and they didn't even see the "shallow owner" to ask him if he was a Verizon Manager who wears a Brietling. "Watching" (ahem) this happen as I drank my coffee was PRICELESS.
Maybe one day the same will happen to your BMW and you will share the love with the rest of us. Until then, have a nice "time" with the things you love.
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Probably cause he is lusting after the panigale R
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