Lean angle thread

[centeroff]

The edge of the tyre has always been the lean angle indicator, do they have a strava app for it so everyone can follow along on their phone?

 

[Chaotic]

Cannot speak for what he is doing with/for the academy if/when it starts up again...but he is coaching for STT...mostly the Southern events...

Yep, thanks.

Just spent all weekend coaching in Advanced at Barber last month. It was great.

 

[ADEYSWORLD]

Hey guys I just happened to post my first video illustrating the Lean Angle indicator. I hit 55 degrees on the Snake section of Mulholland following a buddy on his 2015 R1.

https://youtu.be/MkDdhK8KjT0

 

[JDBeretta]

Hey guys I just happened to post my first video illustrating the Lean Angle indicator. I hit 55 degrees on the Snake section of Mulholland following a buddy on his 2015 R1.



https://youtu.be/MkDdhK8KjT0

I like the commentary in the vid explaining how the indicator is viewed by you as a tool to see where you're at vs how it feels (especially on banked corners). Whether or not that's the best to do on the street, is a hot button for a lot of guys.

Seemed to get a lot of hate when this thread was started (and still) by guys who think that anything other than track riding is where these bikes belong. I like to ride aggressively on the street (in the right areas) and only go past my comfort zone on the track... When commuting, I keep mostly within speed limits, other than to get past a vehicle or 2 here and there. If there are certain features that can expand on how hard I'm riding on the street, cool. How far your tires are "scrubbed in" only tell you until approx 45deg. And personally, I ride a bit past that. Could my body positioning improve? Sure it could. Could anyones who is quick to point this out? Absolutely.

Everyone who is quick to point out how body position reduces lean angle for greater surface/contact area says it like it's not fairly common sense to anyone who has more than a few years riding (or less under instruction). No .....

I can understand giving some member .... for going from his learners license to trying to hit 50deg, and challenging the lean angle indicator readout, but I think there are some of us who have been riding for a fair amount of time that like it for what it is.

 

[ADEYSWORLD]

I like the commentary in the vid explaining how the indicator is viewed by you as a tool to see where you're at vs how it feels (especially on banked corners). Whether or not that's the best to do on the street, is a hot button for a lot of guys.

Seemed to get a lot of hate when this thread was started (and still) by guys who think that anything other than track riding is where these bikes belong. I like to ride aggressively on the street (in the right areas) and only go past my comfort zone on the track... When commuting, I keep mostly within speed limits, other than to get past a vehicle or 2 here and there. If there are certain features that can expand on how hard I'm riding on the street, cool. How far your tires are "scrubbed in" only tell you until approx 45deg. And personally, I ride a bit past that. Could my body positioning improve? Sure it could. Could anyones who is quick to point this out? Absolutely.

Everyone who is quick to point out how body position reduces lean angle for greater surface/contact area says it like it's not fairly common sense to anyone who has more than a few years riding (or less under instruction). No .....

I can understand giving some member .... for going from his learners license to trying to hit 50deg, and challenging the lean angle indicator readout, but I think there are some of us who have been riding for a fair amount of time that like it for what it is.

Well said. I don't pay attention to track day elitist, I choose to ride where I want. I don't have time to argue about what my bike was built for. I know what I'm using it for...that's all that matters to me.

This new lean angle indicator is a awesome tool we can use to better ourselves as riders and gain confidence to go just a tad bit faster in the right conditions.

 

[Gecko]

Hey guys I just happened to post my first video illustrating the Lean Angle indicator. I hit 55 degrees on the Snake section of Mulholland following a buddy on his 2015 R1.

https://youtu.be/MkDdhK8KjT0

Sorry, my english is too bad that I could follow your comments on the vid.
But cocngrats to the way you and your friend ride! Great! Always in control, super fast on public roads and considering the other traffic.

 

[b9009b]

Hey guys I just happened to post my first video illustrating the Lean Angle indicator. I hit 55 degrees on the Snake section of Mulholland following a buddy on his 2015 R1.

https://youtu.be/MkDdhK8KjT0

Good seeing you on here Adey. Long time watcher of your vids..

 

[fzr100098]

I don't pay attention to track day elitist, I choose to ride where I want.

 

[reganc]

Hey guys I just happened to post my first video illustrating the Lean Angle indicator. I hit 55 degrees on the Snake section of Mulholland following a buddy on his 2015 R1.

https://youtu.be/MkDdhK8KjT0

Nice Vid and great roads the lean angle sensor loooks like fun.

Your buddy needs to work on his BP a little and not focus so much on getting his knee down

Ride safe.

 

[wilkson]

Well said. I don't pay attention to track day elitist, I choose to ride where I want. I don't have time to argue about what my bike was built for. I know what I'm using it for...that's all that matters to me.

This new lean angle indicator is a awesome tool we can use to better ourselves as riders and gain confidence to go just a tad bit faster in the right conditions.

How ?

 

[fzr100098]

+1 - I don't see how it's going to make anyone a better rider. Forcing yourself to "lean more" when you don't have the right skill set, bike set-up, and/or tires just = crash

 

[wilkson]

+1 - I don't see how it's going to make anyone a better rider. Forcing yourself to "lean more" when you don't have the right skill set, bike set-up, and/or tires just = crash

Exactly .I can also see people not concentrating on the job at hand but looking at the dash . This can't be a good thing .

 

[JDBeretta]

+1 - I don't see how it's going to make anyone a better rider. Forcing yourself to "lean more" when you don't have the right skill set, bike set-up, and/or tires just = crash

I don't see any promotion of leaning further unnecessarily.

With absolute correct form, the lean angle will hit a max point with a max speed... In a straight line that would be 0deg. In a corner with X radius and Y bank, you could learn from where you're at and how much more there is to go.

Case in point: MotoGP. Cause with a lean angle indicator, I'd put Rossi to bed [emoji2]

 

[JDBeretta]

Exactly .I can also see people not concentrating on the job at hand but looking at the dash . This can't be a good thing .

If you're looking at this indicator while riding, you're doing it wrong. That's the .... part of the setup without a gopro or the like.

Just so I'm clear with how I see it, I see the benefit being upon review of footage.

 

[TurboLag]

It's a fun curiosity. I time my laps with the race dash. Reading lean angles, max speed and max rpm is just fun facts I can read out after the stint is done. It will also give me an indication to if I should find other ways than corner speed to lower my lap times further, but I'm still far from that point.
This far, the lap recorder with lean angles and pictures tells me I need to reconsider my body position as it looks like I'm "Mick Doohan'ing" my turns by positioning my upper body across the tank and keeping my head high. Getting my head and torso inwards and down should reduce the bike lean angle while increasing corner speeds and result in lap times.. We'll see thursday next week

 

[ScrapperX]

Any data collected such as speed, braking (how soon/late,amount of braking) and lean angle can make you a better rider. However looking at the data while corning is crazy. On the 1299 the lap data can be recalled or veiwed with a camera afterwards and can be used as a learning tool. If the bike/tires max lean angle is 55 degrees and you constantly are going around a corner on a track at 52 degrees you know you have some room to carry some more speed with a little more degrees of lean. Having the knee down doesnt really tell you how much lean you have like true data. The knee down was popular in the 70's in racing because they didnt have gryos/gps/accelerometer on bikes like they have today. The lean angle is a tool you can use it or not.

 

[ScrapperX]

+1 - I don't see how it's going to make anyone a better rider. Forcing yourself to "lean more" when you don't have the right skill set, bike set-up, and/or tires just = crash

I think it will show you where your gaps are to be a better rider. Maybe it might even convince a person to say "hey I better get some coaching if i want to be better or faster on the track" everyone should use common sense on $30K 1287 CC Superbike with 205HP. It doesnt take much skills to lean a bike over the hardest part is just getting over your own fears. These bikes were designed for that believe it or not it takes more skills braking before a corner than leaning a bike over in a corner.

 

[JDBeretta]

Good dialogue here from both sides of the opinion.

 

[fzr100098]

These bikes were designed for that believe it or not it takes more skills braking before a corner than leaning a bike over in a corner.

Braking (including trail braking), quick transition into turns, and smooth throttle are what I try to focus on - I don't really think about lean angle, it just happens as your speed improves

 

[ADEYSWORLD]

How ?

Are you serious? It gives you the option of not using the DDA. Instead put a camera on the tank and record your ride. Review your video and see exactly how much lean angle you're carrying in any given corner. It's a useful tool to indicate just how much speed and lean angle you're carrying in order to gain confidence on your ride whether on track or street.