Lean angle thread

[BROsiah]

^ Just let it go bro! No matter how right or wrong you are someone here knows it all and will argue with you. Don't even waste your time

 

[wilkson]

Are you serious? It gives you the option of not using the DDA. Instead put a camera on the tank and record your ride. Review your video and see exactly how much lean angle you're carrying in any given corner. It's a useful tool to indicate just how much speed and lean angle you're carrying in order to gain confidence on your ride whether on track or street.

Yep I was serious .

 

[wilkson]

^ Just let it go bro! No matter how right or wrong you are someone here knows it all and will argue with you. Don't even waste your time

It's called a discussion bro . It's what a forum is
What do you want out of a forum ??????????

 

[Marmoot]

Lean angle doesn't have to be extreme on the road

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp7z78sodPM

 

[wilkson]

Was that a crying baby being ridden ? I think that's illegal .

 

[wilkson]

Mystery solved .

 

[Blade Runner]

I use the rear tire as my lean indicator. I look at my chalk mark and boom, this is how much tire I have left to use. I have been racing for the better part of 25+ years and have tried many different methods to corner speed. But what I found worked best for me was leaning off the bike leading with my shoulder and looking far into the turn. I think the lean indicator is a great tool but only one to be used in the pits looking at a laptop. Not mid turn trying to look at my dash for more lean angle.

Just my 2 cylinders worth of thought.

 

[Grayson]

Are you serious? It gives you the option of not using the DDA. Instead put a camera on the tank and record your ride. Review your video and see exactly how much lean angle you're carrying in any given corner. It's a useful tool to indicate just how much speed and lean angle you're carrying in order to gain confidence on your ride whether on track or street.

You will do that, however others who dont have as much skill and/or common sense will be focusing on the dash while riding and trying to go faster. This is why we have idiots who crash because we have lack of common sense, trying to max out the lean angle sensor for a video.

Not directly toward you at all, however I am sure you have seen more than a few who try to be canyon superstars and end up in an ambulance or worse.

 

[JDBeretta]

...however I am sure you have seen more than a few who try to be canyon superstars and end up in an ambulance or worse.

Same goes for track superstars.

Injuries are usually more manageable, but logic is same. Geographical location (ie: track or street) unfortunately doesn't equate to common sense. Anyone trying to watch a dash readout while in a turn doesn't make sense to me.

I guess I took that for granted when looking at this as readout as being good info or a tool.

 

[Grayson]

Same goes for track superstars.

Injuries are usually more manageable, but logic is same. Geographical location (ie: track or street) unfortunately doesn't equate to common sense. Anyone trying to watch a dash readout while in a turn doesn't make sense to me.

I guess I took that for granted when looking at this as readout as being good info or a tool.

No I agree with you also. It applies no matter where you ride. I just accept the fact that I dont look at the dash when I am at the track unless needed. You are of course going to have people there that are going to focus on it.

It's useful for sure, however rider skill will always be more useful than electronic readouts.

 

[JDBeretta]

Amen.

 

[Steve B]

Interesting (& spirited! ) discussion. Not seeing much practical use for the LAS to be honest, other than a novelty. I suppose it might be of use to correlate lean angle reading (after the ride, of course) with visible tire wear to match a number with where the tread edge of a given tire is, but even for that use the sensor doesn't know anything about surface camber; so 50 degrees from vertical on a flat road versus a banked or off-camber one doesn't equal the same thing. And on its own, it doesn't tell you much of use. To really be useful you'd have to have other data streams to match with it, and that puts you into DDA and telemetry analysis, which is a whole other level.

 

[desmotesta]

On behalf of your local motorcycle Insurance wholesaler (the one who buys crashed bikes from insurance companies and sells them for parts or to racers) I would like to take a minute to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread and especially those who continue to attempt a higher lean angle number..

wow..now I have seen everything..LOL

 

[JDBeretta]

On behalf of your local motorcycle Insurance wholesaler (the one who buys crashed bikes from insurance companies and sells them for parts or to racers) I would like to take a minute to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread and especially those who continue to attempt a higher lean angle number..



wow..now I have seen everything..LOL

Motorcycle curber FTW

 

[ScrapperX]

I am glad motorcycle manufacturers do not design bikes based on idiots out there otherwise there wouldnt be a bike that goes faster than the legal speed limit for road bikes. Manufacturers assumes you have common sense to ride a superbike and yes there are idiots out there that will look at the lean angle indicator/speed/lap time etc while in a lean, but for me the more data they can bring out of the bike the better. To me its no difference than some who mount GPS/smart phones on their bikes, not that I have anything against people who do but they are all distractions and you have to use common sense when to use it.

the new R1 has braking indicators i suppose there will be idiots that will be looking at how hard they are breaking before a corner instead of looking for the Apex or seeing what point they can brake to do a stoppie?

 

[Grayson]

I am glad motorcycle manufacturers do not design bikes based on idiots out there otherwise there wouldnt be a bike that goes faster than the legal speed limit for road bikes. Manufacturers assumes you have common sense to ride a superbike and yes there are idiots out there that will look at the lean angle indicator/speed/lap time etc while in a lean, but for me the more data they can bring out of the bike the better. To me its no difference than some who mount GPS/smart phones on their bikes, not that I have anything against people who do but they are all distractions and you have to use common sense when to use it.

the new R1 has braking indicators i suppose there will be idiots that will be looking at how hard they are breaking before a corner instead of looking for the Apex or seeing what point they can brake to do a stoppie?

Exactly


You're in the US. You know how it goes. Someone will get in a wreck and instead of taking responsibility for their actions, they will try to sue. God help us if the lawmakers get involved. Even some apple applications will turn down your music if you use them now while driving.

Im glad everyone has kept civil in this thread, it works alot better.

 

[TurboLag]

There were warning labels not to use the microwave to dry off living objects...

 

[JDBeretta]

There were warning labels not to use the microwave to dry off living objects...

THAT'S where my parents went wrong...

 

[Grayson]

We were so poor growing up that we jumped into the dryer and turned it on for fun. Who cares about a warning label.

 

[kismetcapitan]

Interesting (& spirited! ) discussion. Not seeing much practical use for the LAS to be honest, other than a novelty. I suppose it might be of use to correlate lean angle reading (after the ride, of course) with visible tire wear to match a number with where the tread edge of a given tire is, but even for that use the sensor doesn't know anything about surface camber; so 50 degrees from vertical on a flat road versus a banked or off-camber one doesn't equal the same thing. And on its own, it doesn't tell you much of use. To really be useful you'd have to have other data streams to match with it, and that puts you into DDA and telemetry analysis, which is a whole other level.

true. seeing the entire picture requires multiple telemetry data streams.

for reference though, here's pic of my tire after 700 miles of moderate break-in riding correlated with a maximum 38 degrees lean (both sides).