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NOOOO! So hard to see your bike half destroyed like that. Looks mostly cosmetic--and I'm sure you'll have her back again soon. Happened so damn fast....
Most importantly you're not injured and didn't take anyone else out in the process.
Most importantly you're not injured and didn't take anyone else out in the process.
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Bad luck Kope just one of those things hey . Get it fixed and get back out there .
Wicked track great riding .
Talking about hanging off the bike more . I find body position to be critical holding the bike up more to use more usable grip can some times be the key to not low siding not saying this is the reason for your crash . .... happens .
Wicked track great riding .
Talking about hanging off the bike more . I find body position to be critical holding the bike up more to use more usable grip can some times be the key to not low siding not saying this is the reason for your crash . .... happens .
Gutted for you, good to hear you're ok! I nearly did exactly the same at that corner about a week ago.
Good luck getting the bike back up and running. Spa left mine with an oil leak from the aft cylinder & the switchgear not working! Fantastic track though!
Good luck getting the bike back up and running. Spa left mine with an oil leak from the aft cylinder & the switchgear not working! Fantastic track though!
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Wow!! I do love your attitude, Great video, im learning more just watching.... 
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Hey Kope, sorry about your crash. I'm glad you weren't seriously hurt and your positive attitude is inspirational. Your plans for the bike and its repair sounds fantastic!!
If you don't mind, what gear were you wearing. It seems it protected you very well. This info could be beneficial to other members.
If you don't mind, what gear were you wearing. It seems it protected you very well. This info could be beneficial to other members.
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This was from Google Earth and from the pose, I think he's a Rossi fan. Looks like the new Dainese Torque In boots and D-air race suit.
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Arrogance? You mean ignorance of "proper" downshifting. Like this guy who's raced the Ducati Desmosedici GP and who's kicking ... on the Panigale in STK 1000 right now:
On Board Canepa Jerez Ducati 1199 Panigale - YouTube
F'n internet experts...
You might wish to explain what you mean.....
I don't know what you're trying to say in response. I understand how you might be confused in my round about way of asking if EBC3 was the crutch for not having to rev match while you down shift. AKA, using the ECU to keep your back wheel from locking up. Judging from the video you linked, someone riding much more aggressively does not seem to have the back wheel lock up (as much) when downshifting with no rev matching. Although if you watch he rev matches half the time and the other half he just shifts down and you can see the back get a bit squirrelly (but he keeps it together because of his obviously large testicles packed with skill). From what I understand in the owners manual, EBC3 offers the LEAST engine braking, which in my mind says it keeps the throttle open to keep the revs higher when you downshift and that EBC0 is the MOST engine braking, which to me sounds like it is 100% up to the rider to control the throttle to keep the back wheel from locking up during aggressive downshifts.
Am I IGNORANT in my understanding of the EBC control or am I ARROGANT for questioning the function of EBC/calling it a crutch for improper technique?
P.S. None of this has any bearing on why OP had a crash, it was just an observation I made during the 12 minute video of his track riding.
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Am I IGNORANT in my understanding of the EBC control or am I ARROGANT for questioning the function of EBC/calling it a crutch for improper technique?
P.S. None of this has any bearing on why OP had a crash, it was just an observation I made during the 12 minute video of his track riding.
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Arrogance? You mean ignorance of "proper" downshifting. Like this guy who's raced the Ducati Desmosedici GP and who's kicking ... on the Panigale in STK 1000 right now:
On Board Canepa Jerez Ducati 1199 Panigale - YouTube
F'n internet experts...
Did we watch the same video? The video you posted and the OPs are entirely different in all things.
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Man you are racing at Spa!!! Spa! Eau Rouge, a corner I've only ever seen on TV.
I love hearing Europeans talking glibly about Spa, Assen, Nurburgring, Le Mans - you are very very lucky indeed to be in the heart of racing.
I know many guys that would be prepared to endure a low-side just to be able to track the bike there or any of those amazing, legendary circuits!
My nearest world class circuit is 5,000km away at Philip Island and I will get there one day soon. Until then we plug away at our local circuits
Regardless, sorry to see you go down.
I love hearing Europeans talking glibly about Spa, Assen, Nurburgring, Le Mans - you are very very lucky indeed to be in the heart of racing.
I know many guys that would be prepared to endure a low-side just to be able to track the bike there or any of those amazing, legendary circuits!
My nearest world class circuit is 5,000km away at Philip Island and I will get there one day soon. Until then we plug away at our local circuits
Regardless, sorry to see you go down.
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Maybe English is not your first language. Read your sentence again:
If you don't think that's clearly condescending to the OP, then we'll agree to disagree. And then you're flatly wrong. Go to 3:33 on the OP's video and watch him fan the clutch for 3 gears downshifting into Les Combes at the end of the front straight after Eau Rouge, perfectly matching revs. That's not the only place he does it. So he uses different techniques where he sees fit. Pretty advanced riding.
Regarding the EBC, its main function is to limit engine back torque when on trailing throttle, adjusting the rate at which the rear wheel slows in comparison to the front wheel - which causes the rear to slide - and can be used to adjust attitude of the bike entering a corner if the rider has the requisite skill. The slipper clutch present in all 1199s is the primary method to reduce the differential between engine speed and gearbox speed when down-shifting, again reducing the abruptness of the rear wheel slowing down more than the front, causing a slide. Lastly, have you lurked enough to know the OP and his modifications to his bike? They are extensive. He's running a different engine management system and perhaps even an adjustable clutch. Again, I saw it working fine for him and his pace.
No one asked you to criticize, so if you're going to, at least be specific and try to be at least correct. E.g. this gem from your rebuttal:
You think the ECU is a magical "black box" that will automatically match your revs to the next lower gear when you downshift like a Ferrari 458 Italia? It is the choreography of feet and hands working the clutch, throttle and gear shift after sufficient practice that produces a matched-rev downshift. The ECU is simply providing air/fuel mixture based on environmental conditions and sensors in the bike when you twist the throttle, nothing more. Even EBC uses algorithms of throttle openings executed on trailing throttle to modify the characteristic of engine braking.
A separate system with dedicated ECU is capable of auto-throttle blipping to specifically rev-match, but does not come on any OEM bike:
Awesome Yamaha R1 & R6 CABS Automatic Throttle Blipper - YouTube
See above. You have repeatedly proved yourself a riding technique troll. I'll let you in on something. The truly fast guys don't critique unless they're asked. I've read your riding critiques on other threads here and frankly you don't come off as someone that actually has the experience of what you attempt to malign others for not doing. You probably have attended a few schools, made some huge strides in your personal ability, maybe even been bumped up to the next group at your track days recently. Your arrogance betrays your neophytism as does your erroneous discourse on the topic. So I'm adding you to my ignore list.
If you don't think that's clearly condescending to the OP, then we'll agree to disagree. And then you're flatly wrong. Go to 3:33 on the OP's video and watch him fan the clutch for 3 gears downshifting into Les Combes at the end of the front straight after Eau Rouge, perfectly matching revs. That's not the only place he does it. So he uses different techniques where he sees fit. Pretty advanced riding.
Regarding the EBC, its main function is to limit engine back torque when on trailing throttle, adjusting the rate at which the rear wheel slows in comparison to the front wheel - which causes the rear to slide - and can be used to adjust attitude of the bike entering a corner if the rider has the requisite skill. The slipper clutch present in all 1199s is the primary method to reduce the differential between engine speed and gearbox speed when down-shifting, again reducing the abruptness of the rear wheel slowing down more than the front, causing a slide. Lastly, have you lurked enough to know the OP and his modifications to his bike? They are extensive. He's running a different engine management system and perhaps even an adjustable clutch. Again, I saw it working fine for him and his pace.
No one asked you to criticize, so if you're going to, at least be specific and try to be at least correct. E.g. this gem from your rebuttal:
You think the ECU is a magical "black box" that will automatically match your revs to the next lower gear when you downshift like a Ferrari 458 Italia? It is the choreography of feet and hands working the clutch, throttle and gear shift after sufficient practice that produces a matched-rev downshift. The ECU is simply providing air/fuel mixture based on environmental conditions and sensors in the bike when you twist the throttle, nothing more. Even EBC uses algorithms of throttle openings executed on trailing throttle to modify the characteristic of engine braking.
A separate system with dedicated ECU is capable of auto-throttle blipping to specifically rev-match, but does not come on any OEM bike:
Awesome Yamaha R1 & R6 CABS Automatic Throttle Blipper - YouTube
See above. You have repeatedly proved yourself a riding technique troll. I'll let you in on something. The truly fast guys don't critique unless they're asked. I've read your riding critiques on other threads here and frankly you don't come off as someone that actually has the experience of what you attempt to malign others for not doing. You probably have attended a few schools, made some huge strides in your personal ability, maybe even been bumped up to the next group at your track days recently. Your arrogance betrays your neophytism as does your erroneous discourse on the topic. So I'm adding you to my ignore list.
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I'm heart broken.
I didn't malign anyone. If the OP had the proper lines he most likely wouldn't have hit the curb. You know, go slow to go fast. All I've ever done is correct falacies. Comparing the OPs downshifting to what the guy is doing in the video is like comparing my riding to Rossi's riding, totally different ballparks.
And I never said I was truly fast. I mean what exactly is that anyway? I will tell you one thing, don't put a video of yourself up if you can't handle a critique. I know I don't get offended when others critique my riding at the track. It's how people get faster and ride better. Too much epeen on this site for my taste but I'm here anyways since its the only real place to go for the 1199.
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Truly fast is being in the top 10% of your track, or lapping within 5-10 seconds of the lap record. Yet something else you would understand that if you've been riding at the track long enough (more than a year, really). You're an ignorant, inconsiderate .... too, thinking that 1. You act based on what your self-centered little mind believe others want to hear, not what they posted, 2. You're qualified to critique (clearly not), and 3. NOBODY ASKED YOU.
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Wow you really think highly of yourself don't you keyboard warrior. I thought i was on ignore? Lol
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