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jarelj said:
Not a sportbike, different class to compare to. Just like the guy with the stretched-swingarm 'Busa who wants to talk about his bike in crowd of track day guys. Awkward to tell him that no one cares how fast his bike is in a straight line. :D
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I'd have to say that the H2, ZX14, and Busa are all still sportbikes. Remember when our sportbikes were over 500 lbs? The Ninja 1000 was a sportbike back then, these are no different. I see all three of these bikes out at trackdays and an H2 doing quite well in group 3.

This might not be of popular opinion but that 1103cc cheater engine bumps the V4 into the same category as an H2.

And look, many of these testers call it a cheater or cheaty engine like I do lol.
 
Guess the question is does the extra displacement and weight savings Trump a supercharged engine? I know without restrictions it's easy to get an h2 in the 240 to 250 rwhp range and dumping a lot of weight when you get rid of that huge exhaust. I'll be adding a v4 at somne point for sure
 
gnance said:
Guess the question is does the extra displacement and weight savings Trump a supercharged engine? I know without restrictions it's easy to get an h2 in the 240 to 250 rwhp range and dumping a lot of weight when you get rid of that huge exhaust. I'll be adding a v4 at somne point for sure
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The supercharged h2 is a easy bike to tune with great results for sure.
Just for that I have been thinking about getting one.
250 rwhp must be interesting !
 
Veteran said:
The supercharged h2 is a easy bike to tune with great results for sure.
Just for that I have been thinking about getting one.
250 rwhp must be interesting !
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Yeah it eats gas like a mofo....but I have never ridden anything with so much power. It just makes power more and more and more and never lets up no matter the revs. Even though it's a heavier bike it's quite a blast to ride and the build quality is exceptional.

I still have more fun most days on a more agile bike, but if anyone has the option I totally suggest reserving any opinions on the h2 until you try one. It's something else.
 
Twistedracer said:
I'd have to say that the H2, ZX14, and Busa are all still sportbikes. Remember when our sportbikes were over 500 lbs? The Ninja 1000 was a sportbike back then, these are no different. I see all three of these bikes out at trackdays and an H2 doing quite well in group 3.

This might not be of popular opinion but that 1103cc cheater engine bumps the V4 into the same category as an H2.

And look, many of these testers call it a cheater or cheaty engine like I do lol.
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Well, the definition I'd use and I think is valid for comparison is whether it's a bike that would race in WSBK.
 
jarelj said:
Well, the definition I'd use and I think is valid for comparison is whether it's a bike that would race in WSBK.
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Then that knocks out the base and S model V4's as that 1103cc engine disqualifies it. So not an RR (race replica) anymore.
 
Twistedracer said:
Then that knocks out the base and S model V4's as that 1103cc engine disqualifies it. So not an RR (race replica) anymore.
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I think you know what I'm getting at, the "Panigale" family are road racing-style "Sportbikes", the H2 is a "Hyperbike" built to go fast in a straight line. You would not see a magazine comparison article between the V4 Panigale and the H2, they are bikes built with a different focus. So when they say the V4 Panigale is the fastest "Sportbike" tested, they clearly are not intending that to mean fastest "Motorcycle" or fastest "Bike with a fairing", in this context it's fastest of the road-racing style "Sportbikes". Specific trim level doesn't matter, the base and V4S are built as road-racing style bikes, regardless of specific race class eligibility. If they have a comparison next year for fastest "Homologation" bike with the V4R that will be very interesting.
 
jarelj said:
I think you know what I'm getting at, the "Panigale" family are road racing-style "Sportbikes", the H2 is a "Hyperbike" built to go fast in a straight line. You would not see a magazine comparison article between the V4 Panigale and the H2, they are bikes built with a different focus. So when they say the V4 Panigale is the fastest "Sportbike" tested, they clearly are not intending that to mean fastest "Motorcycle" or fastest "Bike with a fairing", in this context it's fastest of the road-racing style "Sportbikes". Specific trim level doesn't matter, the base and V4S are built as road-racing style bikes, regardless of specific race class eligibility. If they have a comparison next year for fastest "Homologation" bike with the V4R that will be very interesting.
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I agree I have an H2 de restricted and I've over driven the super Charger and dropped 40 pounds and added BST wheels. She's a beast for sure and I've tracked her but she's not really meant for that. Even with the weight loss shes still a good size girl. I love my 1299SA but you just can't compare the twin to the H2 or the new V4. if its a track deal the V4 is the only way to go. But on the street or high way there's no chance your gonna catch the derestricted H2. But then again I haven't gotten my Speciale so I guess time will tell. :D
 
jarelj said:
I think you know what I'm getting at, the "Panigale" family are road racing-style "Sportbikes", the H2 is a "Hyperbike" built to go fast in a straight line. You would not see a magazine comparison article between the V4 Panigale and the H2, they are bikes built with a different focus. So when they say the V4 Panigale is the fastest "Sportbike" tested, they clearly are not intending that to mean fastest "Motorcycle" or fastest "Bike with a fairing", in this context it's fastest of the road-racing style "Sportbikes". Specific trim level doesn't matter, the base and V4S are built as road-racing style bikes, regardless of specific race class eligibility. If they have a comparison next year for fastest "Homologation" bike with the V4R that will be very interesting.
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As much of a Ducati fan as I am, I cannot blindly praise the Panigale V4 as being the best or fastest or most powerful sportbike out there. The Panigale is now a 4 cylinder engine, same as all the rest of the other manufacturers fours. But being as Ducati chose to make it an 1103cc vs a 1000cc engine, it can't be compared to anyone else's sportbike. Ducati could have tuned a 1000cc V4 into being a good street engine but they chose not to. Once again Ducati chose to play by their own rules so they can't even be compared to anyone else's street going Superbike.
Yes I know that the R will be a 1000cc homologation bike, but the key word is homologation and not even close in price or engine to the other streetbikes so no comparison there either.
But it's all about power numbers when it comes to selling bikes for the street. More power and faster is what sells and just making equivalent or one or two more horses out of the same size street engine as the rest won't guarantee sales with the premium prices of Ducati. Hence the "cheater" engine.

Like I said, I'm a fan but I don't follow blindly. But I also acknowledge that the V4 is an impressive engine even for its displacement.
 
twistedracer said:
as much of a ducati fan as i am, i cannot blindly praise the panigale v4 as being the best or fastest or most powerful sportbike out there. The panigale is now a 4 cylinder engine, same as all the rest of the other manufacturers fours. But being as ducati chose to make it an 1103cc vs a 1000cc engine, it can't be compared to anyone else's sportbike. Ducati could have tuned a 1000cc v4 into being a good street engine but they chose not to. Once again ducati chose to play by their own rules so they can't even be compared to anyone else's street going superbike.
Yes i know that the r will be a 1000cc homologation bike, but the key word is homologation and not even close in price or engine to the other streetbikes so no comparison there either.
But it's all about power numbers when it comes to selling bikes for the street. More power and faster is what sells and just making equivalent or one or two more horses out of the same size street engine as the rest won't guarantee sales with the premium prices of ducati. Hence the "cheater" engine.

Like i said, i'm a fan but i don't follow blindly. But i also acknowledge that the v4 is an impressive engine even for its displacement.
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1299?
 
Riki said:
1299?
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You're talking twins vs fours. Even though twins were allowed 1200cc vs 1000cc for fours people still complained about size being equal. So might as well build whatever you want.
But we are now comparing 4 vs 4, it's a whole different story now. So this time 1103cc can't even be compared to other sportbikes as it's a whole different class.
 
Twistedracer said:
So this time 1103cc can't even be compared to other sportbikes as it's a whole different class.
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No, it isnt. Its in exactly the same class as all the other superbikes when you look at weight, handling, power, ergonomics, intended use, etc. The extra displacement gives it more torque for a better street experience. There's nothing stopping the other manufacturers from doing the same. They chose not to. Their loss. Comparing the v4 panigale to h2 or busa class bikes makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
 
Slightly off topic but I think the reason other manufacturers don't do this because of cost. The extra tooling and machining from producing 2 engines instead of one for homologated qualification doesn't make sense unless for a "premium brand" like ducati where the target market would historically pay more for it anyways.

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Hmmmm well what a tough crowd!

Firstly comparing this to a Kawasaki H2 seriously?

Secondary, what's this "cheater engine"rubbish? Ducati has built these models as road bikes they can do whatever the hell they want. That's what's great about Ducati, they beat to their own drum, and are very often a step or two ahead.

Ducati's never get anywhere in comparison tests, down here Ducati has given up giving bike for comparison, I see this in other countries too. I could not give one iota of care if my Ducati is " as good " as a kawahahaondauzuki abomination.

Guys get a grip, Ducati has raised the bar yet again, pulled their pants down and given a big old kick up the arse. Gotta love that! If you don't, there are many other bikes out there for you....
 
Not meant to start a war between brands. My point was just that the journalists seem to throw out contradictory info.
 
Nothing new here people...1299 for street and 1199R for track..come on...
There are no rules for the street wake up....
Market driven....:eek::eek::eek:
 
Ryfly05 said:
There's nothing stopping the other manufacturers from doing the same. They chose not to.
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That is exactly what Domenicali said, racing is one thing, but Ducati made the engine size they thought would make the best all-around bike and if the other manufacturers choose to make their street bike the same size as their homologation bike that's their choice. Ducati doesn't see a CC limit of any kind as relevant for the standard production bike. Who cares what size the engine is, unless you're racing it's irrelevant. That would be like saying it's not fair for a manufacturer to make their bike lighter than their competitors, since weight and power both have an impact on performance.
 
Aprilia is running a cheater v4 engine too. Tuono is 1100 and same engine as rsv4.
It’s not new. Ducati were just clever enough to do it on the sportsbike.
Makes perfect sense for low end grunt.
Well done Ducati.
 

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