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I have no skin in this game but there is REDBULL money behind that team. Just look at what they have accomplished in F1 over the years. I can't remember exactly but I think Vettel got 4 WC titles and Max has 2 going on 3 probably the next race. No doubt Redbull has and had the 2 best drivers at that time. Where KTM/REDBULL does not have the best rider unlike there F1 team has had.
 
No doubt Redbull has and had the 2 best drivers at that time.
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Praise Newey, the dude sees rulebooks differently, amazing what he exploits and how he creates performance.

Personally I think that is the major factor in the rise of the Euro manufacturers, exploit the rulebooks to the max in areas, that the Japanese scoffed at, that are now paying huge dividends (hole shot, ride height, shapeshifter, mass damper - salad box, let alone aero). It will take years of development and more than 2-4 bikes on the grid for them to catch up.

The next set of rule changes will be a contentious topic for sure.
 
Kev242 said:
Praise Newey, the dude sees rulebooks differently, amazing what he exploits and how he creates performance.
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This ^^^

The machine /operator performance ratio is larger in F1 is even larger than in MotoGP. Red Bull owes most of its success to Adrian Newey.

The assertion that Sebastian Vettel was “the best” driver on the grid while winning 4 championships with Red Bull (2010-2013) is not substantive.

Yes, he was nearly unbeatable while driving the best car on the grid. Where was he after leaving Red Bull for Ferrari when Mercedes was winning championships from 2014-2020? Nowhere. He’s arguably nowhere near as good as Hamilton who’s won 7 championships and (iirc) is the only driver in the modern era to win championships with two manufacturers.
 
Marquez's talent is arguably the reason why Honda is struggling: Honda's demise: How MotoGP's great dynasty hit rock bottom
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Can't disagree with that.

One of the Ducati 3 grey haired wise men once said, not verbatim, that one needs to build a bike everyone can be fast on, not just one rider. This quip is post Stoner. I think they dove into that full tilt and now are reaping the rewards.

Honda is realizing same. The bike they built for their super talented rider (MM), who suffered an injury, which robbed them of development data. No other rider could exploit the platform in the same way.
 
bp_SFV4 said:
That’s not to say they are developing them. KTM was just the first to start publicly testing one. I think if I were Ducati I wouldn’t rush it to the paddock given that arguably have the best bike.
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I didn’t say they weren’t developing them. I’m sure all manufacturers are pursuing the technology. But as evidence by the lack of other manufacturers utilizing a full carbon frame, it’s not yet ready for prime time. That’s not to say that the tech isn’t on the horizon.

Just look at the Superleggera. It uses a CF frame but it’s not touted as a significantly superior handling bike to its cast counterpart. It might be better but it’s no game changer or you’d see Corse implementing it.
 
The racing program with Ducati is so secretive there's no way the public could get an insight as to development direction outside of a leak. Carbon frames are on the horizon for sure. Between forged, additive manufacturing and traditional CF techniques, its all rapidly changing.

I'd disagree on the point that the SL is meant to be a super lightweight model and everything is sacrificed to meet that goal.

I think the take away is the KTM thinks their solution is ready for prime time. Likely based on Red Bull F1 tech.
 
DCPanni said:
But they might ditch him.
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Where’d you hear this? Usually Yamaha is really loyal to their riders (except when they’re being twats like Maverick). Who would replace him now that Morbidelli is going to Pramac? If I were Quartararo I’d stick with Yams and see the turnaround through.

In the meantime, Yams should literally buy a GSX-RR and reverse engineer it. Or find the engineers from the project and integrate them into the M1 project. They’ve done it before back in 2004 with Rossi/Burgess and cross plane crank. What would be awesome is if they poached Gigi and brought VR46 in and do something similar. Call it an M2. Now I’ll put down the crack pipe…
 
Because as a full factory rider, you should not be down in 17 to 20th place. Sponsors pay big money to factory teams, to have their logo on the TV or streaming service being seen….not to be that far back and hear Simon mention him a few times.
 
My prediction, after starting from the last row Tak Nak weaves his way through the field then clears off finishing with a 12 second lead. Unfortunately he'll be later disqualified when the paste on michelin sidewall falls off his rear Dunlop.
 
MM going to Ducati isn’t a necessary slam dunk. MM riding style is quite unique and hence has turned the RCV into the abomination it is today. Everyone forgets how long it took for Rossi or Lorenzo to get to grips with the Ducati.

Pecco and Martin and Bez make it look easy because they all have only been on a Duc. Alex Marquez isn’t necessarily flying on the Duc his rookie year.

This was a dumb move by Marc. Shows his lack of adaptability and resilience. Sure he’ll have a couple flashes in the pan but this move will mark his decline in the sport.

Honda need to ditch Puig. That’s the first move they need to make. And then hire Brivio. Honda need to poach Dani as test rider and give Bradl the boot. Keep Mir and pick up a Moto2 phenom. Or (and this is crazy) poach Bautista
 

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