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I was thinking that if mm went to anyone other than ducati he could still blame the bike. 
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To me it seems that there’s a recurring problem with HRC and success.
Perhaps it’s conflicting interests between team and rider?
Purely speculative.
Perhaps it’s conflicting interests between team and rider?
Purely speculative.
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I think the only reason Honda decided to part from MM equally is that they won't have to pay him. They can dump all of that money into development. Keep in mind they already lured Zarco away for the sole purpose of development. Now that they aren't encumbered, in a BS corporate way by MM's salary, they can spend hard on development. At first glance this seems like a long term plan. I'd keep a close eye on Honda more than Yamaha in MotoGP at this point.
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2024 is going to be awesome
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This ^^^
One of the most talented riders of the modern era is moving to the manufacturer to which this forum is dedicated (which also happens to be the best bike on the MotoGP grid), and folks are complaining.
Interesting.
I wonder who’s opinion on talent and projected success is more credible - the opinion of someone who not only raced in MotoGP for a decade, but also raced against Marquez for his entire career, OR guys on a forum who have never raced at the professional level.
Cal Crutchlow said that Marc is the best rider he’s ever raced against (that includes Rossi and Stoner), and that if he ends up on a Ducati, the other riders don’t even need to show up.
Who knows if that’s true or not, but his opinion carries more presumptive weight than the opinions being shared all over the internet by people with less experience (including ours here).
A particularly challenging aspect of the move for Marc is not only adapting to a new bike, but also a new crew - reportedly, Honda is not releasing any of his crew members to go with him.
I think this is the best thing that could have happened to MotoGP (ditching aero is next best
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This ^^^
One of the most talented riders of the modern era is moving to the manufacturer to which this forum is dedicated (which also happens to be the best bike on the MotoGP grid), and folks are complaining.
Interesting.
I wonder who’s opinion on talent and projected success is more credible - the opinion of someone who not only raced in MotoGP for a decade, but also raced against Marquez for his entire career, OR guys on a forum who have never raced at the professional level.
Cal Crutchlow said that Marc is the best rider he’s ever raced against (that includes Rossi and Stoner), and that if he ends up on a Ducati, the other riders don’t even need to show up.
Who knows if that’s true or not, but his opinion carries more presumptive weight than the opinions being shared all over the internet by people with less experience (including ours here).
A particularly challenging aspect of the move for Marc is not only adapting to a new bike, but also a new crew - reportedly, Honda is not releasing any of his crew members to go with him.
I think this is the best thing that could have happened to MotoGP (ditching aero is next best
I couldn’t agree more on all points.
I’ve never been a MM fan and have mostly had a quasi bias against him for being Dorna’s or the FIM’s sponsored poster boy. I don’t think I’ve ever celebrated a MotoGP victory as much as the Rins final corner overtake at Silverstone… that was extremely satisfying.
That being said… the obvious talent shouldn’t be dismissed.
I think he’ll take that Ducati to 1st place in 2024.
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Yep - I feel essentially the same. I never really cared for him before, but he has shown real heart and character since the accident - I have a new respect for him.
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I was having this argument with people on this forum in 2019 when MM was still winning almost every race that one day the young guns would catch up and he would no longer be dominant. Time waits for no man and crashing hundreds of times , two fused shoulders, diplopia, ribs arm leg fractures... If he were a horse they'd shoot him. Just remember the rules = when MM wins it's pure talent. When MM loses it's obviously the pos bike he is riding. when he crashes into people , rides the wrong way on a track during a race, or bins the bike it's because his passion for the sport of racing motorcycles. 2024 will be interesting. entertaining. and amazing as always. I'm planning on watching what's going on at the front of the race though.
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Marc is an alien, so is Pedrosa. DP double 4ths shows you how "average" this field is.
With MM on a competitive bike and its going to be a lot of great racing
With MM on a competitive bike and its going to be a lot of great racing
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Heart and character?? Marc!?!?
Determination is a great quality which he has more than most guys, but should not be confused with either heart or character.
Next year will be interesting. I don't see it going quite as smooth as Mr. Crutchlow believes.
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This is evidence that Honda knows they’re bike is lacking…
www.motorsport.com
Ducati MotoGP boss Dall’Igna confirms Honda approach for 2024
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This post is an example of how emotional investment negatively impacts objectivity and contributes to bias.
What do we mean when we say a person “has heart”? We mean they give maximal effort and refuse to quit in the face of adversity - i.e. they are determined.
So, not only is determination a character trait, it is essentially synonymous with “having heart”. You acknowledge Marc is determined, but simultaneously deny that he has heart, which as we just established is a phrase meaning a person has determination.
We all have a tendency to convince ourselves that something we like is good and something we don’t is bad. Being proactively aware of it makes us less prone to this potential bias.
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If you re-read my comment, you’ll notice I didn’t assert they are “one in the same”, but rather they are “essentially synonymous”.
How are they different?
What else would you like to teach me about myself?
It’s very difficult to share insight with a person who’s closed-minded.
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I’m surprised Honda has retained Bradl for so long as test rider. You’d think they’d rethink things after a not winning a race in 22. I guess they put it up to rider rather than bike. Hubris…
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It could happen these days.
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Or it shows how good Pedrosa is. On a bike he knows inside out of course.
Martin to take it this year?
I’m already looking forward to 2024…
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Just so I understand causation argument we are being talked down from authority with
this is what I'm being told - right ?
If pedrosa finishes ahead of marq it's talent by pedrosa and MM below Dani it's the bike. but when mm gets a podium It's not the honda improving its pure talent. also the entire field is lacking talent except MM proving the honda is complete garbage. this is starting to get as confusing as gender theory .
All silly talk aside , I do think MM should have stayed with Honda . They are going to get the rc up to speed soon.
this is what I'm being told - right ?
If pedrosa finishes ahead of marq it's talent by pedrosa and MM below Dani it's the bike. but when mm gets a podium It's not the honda improving its pure talent. also the entire field is lacking talent except MM proving the honda is complete garbage. this is starting to get as confusing as gender theory .
All silly talk aside , I do think MM should have stayed with Honda . They are going to get the rc up to speed soon.
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Maybe they will. You'd think they have to eventually. But there are quality riders crashing the Honda and not getting better results than MM (if not always for the entire race). I'd say that nobody is riding that bike better than him and with all of his talent he still struggles and gets occasional results that remind everyone how good he is, but is is having to ride the bike way beyond it's limits to do so. If the bike is improving then someone should tell Mir.
KTM have been doing very well and far better than anyone expected. It's not like they were in the bottom half of the field and Pedrosa simply reminded everyone how talented he still is. I suspect MM on the KTM would do better than MM on the Honda. It will be interesting to see how he does on the Ducati. His brother was certainly looking far better on the Ducati than he did on the Honda, and I'd say MM is a better rider than his brother.
It would be funny if the Honda suddenly improves and MM starts winning races before he leaves.
Lot's to look forward to in 2024, and this season is still far from over.
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