MotoGP 2023

Frankie cargetti digi team engineer said mapping 8 told him 5 laps to go … and push!

The Rossi-lings better enjoy the glory now, because with #MM93 on the GP23 next year, all the BS stops…

If he can adapt quickly then it should be very interesting as he'll certainly have a bike capable of winning and his desire is clearly still in abundance.

craig bush said:

To my understanding, one of the basic principles of aerodynamics is that the more an object punches a hole through the air (i.e. the more aerodynamic drag it generates), the greater the air immediately behind it is disrupted, and the greater the potential negative effects are on following objects.

This was illustrated very well in F1 as evidenced by the fact that the sporting regulations had to be completely rewritten, and the cars redesigned, because turbulence-generating aero (i.e. wings) disrupted the air for following vehicles so significantly that passing became nearly impossible and the quality of racing suffered.

Now in MotoGP, multiple riders and journalists are asserting that the ever-escalating aero development (using turbulence-generating wings) is causing difficulty overtaking and ruining the racing. And there was only one pass for the lead in yesterday’s race.

But you’re probably right - this is all coincidental and has nothing to do with aero development.

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I just don't think those little wings create any wake turbulence. In order to do this they would have to have a drag =&^ to force that would create a swirl in the air that would disrupt the air enough to be felt. in order do do this it would slow the bikes way down (drag) the hole that is punched through the air is way bigger when the rider sits up at the end of the straight. and comparing the gp to F1 A f1 car is generating like 6000LBS of downforce at the end of the straight and probably 2000lbs+ anywhere on the track. the gp wings don't look like they do anything on the straights. . the only force it looks like those thin little strips of plastic could possibly produce is when the bike front end dips or when the bike is leaned over. I would guess the gp wings produce near zero drag in the straights and this is good because the bikes cannot have the fuel or hp to do this. F1 cars are simply overpowered compared to the ability to apply friction to the ground. motogp bikes are using the areo to produce a little down force in turning due to weight distribution F1 cars would fly through the air like a kite and land hundreds of yards away from the track without the wings and venturi that make them stick to the track. its apples and oranges IMO , I agree I'm not qualified to doubt the experts you mentioned

My understanding was simply that the wings aren’t as effective when they aren’t in clean air and so it’s easier to find you’ve got less braking when you are following closely than when you have clean air ahead of you.

CSV4 said:

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1...onda-hint-can-talk-motogp-contract-after-2025

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Honda is better than BMW for sure

I copied this off the internet unknown author:
People say that the rider doesn't make a difference anymore, yet advancements like aero have made riding styles become more decisive than ever. Come down the rabbit hole with me...
As a base understanding, the lower and further out of your bike you lean the better angle you can get out of the bike.
Initially the introduction of aero pushing the front deeper meant it was harder to keep tighter turns at speed. On top of this with the big step in softness from bridgstones to michelin. Manufactures had to find ways to balance the bike better to get around corners in best speed. This is why we've seen aero appear along the fairings and now on the tail section
This has lead alot of us to believe that it's become a tech battle not a rider battle, when the opposite is true. Riding style, and more specifically riding position is vital for corner speed. We're now seeing riders hang further and lower off the bikes, and there's good reason. The original idea still applies, hang lower - turn tighter.
But now there's even more to it. By hanging off the bike rider's are able to manipulate air flow through some areas, and maximise it in others. By hanging down by the side of the bike riders are able to distrupt airflow on the apex side of the bike, so the inside nose aero that would usually push the tyre out, is less effective. By distrupting the air flow they also act as an almost air-brake on one side of the bike helping the turning motion.
By hanging off they also increase the airflow over the bike to the tail aero, creating a much more balanced airflow, and downforce at the front and rear of the bike. This is why you'll notice maverick runs the aprilia tail aero more often than aleix, he hang's much further off and is able to maximise it's effect much more.
This is why we're seeing the much more extreme riding styles; ie pecco, martin, viñales, bezzechi having really strong 1 lap pace. What does this mean? The rider is still a vital part of the package, and extreme angles are going to be more and more popular

Steve Hughes posted in MotoGP Tech on FB.

Who is he?

I’d rather see the ride height devices banned as a priority over aero. Also not sure how Dorna could justify banning aero when they need IRTA agreement

craig bush said:

Steve Hughes posted in MotoGP Tech on FB.

Who is he?

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I give up. Who is he?

bp_SFV4 said:

I give up. Who is he?

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English MotoGP fan on FB I think.

SuperDomestique said:

I’d rather see the ride height devices banned as a priority over aero. Also not sure how Dorna could justify banning aero when they need IRTA agreement

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iirc, the ride height device ban is already planned in the next couple years.

Does anyone have any idea what Martin seemed to be the only Ducati on those tyres having problems? Does he run such a different setup to the others?

Perhaps….its what was intended to happen.

Pecco has icewater running through his veins

CSV4 said:

lol. Now that tardozzi is pissed at Martin maybe his wheel will come off entirely

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Probably swap his engine with one from a Scrambler…

Well Diggi knew that if he passed Peco, he’d be deep in ....… so he didn’t do it. Davido gave the order.

Notec said:

The Rossi-lings better enjoy the glory now, because with #MM93 on the GP23 next year, all the BS stops…

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I'd give them a nod more respect than to call them all Rossi-lings, but I get what you mean.

MM put that Honda on the podium in Valencia in the sprint.

Lasty week when Zarco put his front tire on MM's hip MM didn't even flinch. 2024 will be a good season.

bp_SFV4 said:

I'd give them a nod more respect than to call them all Rossi-lings, but I get what you mean.

MM put that Honda on the podium in Valencia in the sprint.

Lasty week when Zarco put his front tire on MM's hip MM didn't even flinch. 2024 will be a good season.

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IMHO…. MM can’t do enything special in Ducati next year, he is too old and too many broken bones..he is yesterdays news.