MotoGP 2023

I doubt anyone wife would be quiet but I really doubt that's the driving force behind what could maybe be described as a more cautious approach. An injury or chucking a bike into the gravel (or worse both) would be the end of his 2023 run and he knows it.

Some interesting insight regarding Bastianini and Martin shared on 13x:

“Well ...., one day after I say that, Carlo Pernat shows up on the French post-race debrief show for some straight talk with Randy dePuniet and his colleague. I have missed the old bastard. He used to be a much more regular guest and I always looked forward to it. Here's why…

He started off by saying that Ducati had finally made changes to the bike on Friday to make it more like what Bestia has been asking for and that Saturday and Sunday were the result of that.

He also said that this weekend the changes nothing for the future because Enea a contract and wasn't going anywhere. He said that the initial Ducati contract was for two years, 2023 and 2024, and that Ducati had to specify by a certain date on which team he was going to be. On August 30, he received a letter confirming that he would remain on the factory team.

Then they interrupted him to go to their colleague inside the interview room who was talking to Martin. And when they came back outside, this .... got delicious.

French dude: "Well, Carlo, you've been listening to Martin with keen interest. You are confirming that there's a signed contract but the problem is that since the beginning of the weekend, Paolo Ciabatti has been telling us that it's not impossible that Martin and Bastianini might switch places next year."

Carlo Pernat: "I have the contract in my safe and it's the same as the contract in Ducati's safe. It is signed. Nothing changes for me. If Martin wins the championship and Ducati comes to me says 'hey, we want to make a change, blah, blah, blah,' we can talk. But talking doesn't mean changing our minds. Enea wants to be on that team. The contract is very, very clear. There's no possibility for them to change it."

Randy dePuniet: "Carlo, you know very well that contracts mean nothing these days. Marquez is leaving Honda. So, if at some point they want to kick out your rider, these days, anything can happen."

Carlo Pernat: "I understand what you were saying. I see the world completely changing. But an official contract with the attorneys is an official contract. If they want to break this contract, it's going to be 1-1.2 million euros. You were a racer. You've had managers. I went to Kit (?), I went to Tissot, I went to Alpinestar and I told them that he had a three-year contract on the official team because I have the papers. If you're not on the official team, it's half as much. So all these things, plus the attorneys, and everything else, that's two million euros. If they come and tell me 'Carlo, here is €3,000,000 to switch to Pramac with the official bike', and I tell Enea 'this is the offer, what do you want to do?', I know that Enea will want to stay on the factory team."

Randy dePuniet: "What you're saying is that he's not making €3,000,000 on the factory Ducati team…"

<Both laughing>

Carlo Pernat: "What I am telling you is that there's been too much talking when we already have a signed contract with Ducati."

how can diggia not have a ride next year?

So did he ignore the Factory orders not to pass Peco?? Want was this “map A” command to him? Davido looked a bit pissed.

long story

https://us.motorsport.com/motogp/ne...nantonio-explains-mapping-8-message/10549231/

Good cover story……

CSV4 said:

how can diggia not have a ride next year?

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lol, hopefully your day job is not team management

So you guys think team Gresini DIGI takes orders from the factory ducati team ,,, but Prima Pramac JMartin does not take orders from the factory ducati team. I've seen Martin nearly punt factory Bagnaia bike off the track. Even if what you are saying is true I'd win the race if I were Digi especially if I had no ride next year. so much talent on the track right now it's hard to comprehend . Gresini would be insane not to take first place on the podium. IMO

I don't think it was an order... feel like bagnaia would have had a reaction at the end if there was an understanding that diggia would not pass him. Instead I thought I saw him congratulate diggia.

that said, seems odd since mapping 8 was used as an order before.

I think it would have been actual cheating for gresini to not pass Bagnaia under orders from ducati because it would have been 4 points that would have been robbed from Jorge M. and no way a sat team would have passed up a #1 podium no matter what. and why would Gresini take favor over Prima pramac or visaversa they are competing for the championship and or the victory .

I think Map A was telling him to push. Simon even said he thought their strategy would be to wait until the last five laps or so to attack. On lap 14 didn’t he get the message?

ETA: The dash message was "Mapping 8."

Simon (or one of the commentators) was the one who created the controversy

It wasn't Simon, it was the dude who talks nearly nonstop. I stand corrected, it was "Mapping 8." I can't say I blame him for pushing on anyway. Probably won't be seeing him on a Ducati after that though...

... he's a winner. someone can correct me if I'm wrong but Luca Marini and Alex Marquez have not won a race yet despite better/comparable equipment

CSV4 said:

... he's a winner. someone can correct me if I'm wrong but Luca Marini and Alex Marquez have not won a race yet despite better/comparable equipment

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Wrong time to win… too little too late Seems that “team orders” came down from Ducati brass

Macattack said:

So you guys think team Gresini DIGI takes orders from the factory ducati team ,,, but Prima Pramac JMartin does not take orders from the factory ducati team. I've seen Martin nearly punt factory Bagnaia bike off the track. Even if what you are saying is true I'd win the race if I were Digi especially if I had no ride next year. so much talent on the track right now it's hard to comprehend . Gresini would be insane not to take first place on the podium. IMO

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I think Digi’s explanation was legit.

As an aside, as much as I appreciate the race result it’s worth noting:

Passes for the lead - 1
Riders in contention for the win after lap 5 - 2


And when the rider in second attempted a pass to reclaim the lead, he nearly took himself and the race leader out due to the massive slipstream created by all the aero.

Aero contributes so much to the quality of the racing.

I went back and watched the 2018 Assen race, and what struck me was that it was a really good race and all of the bikes had aero, but no ride height devices.

craig bush said:

I think Digi’s explanation was legit.

As an aside, as much as I appreciate the race result it’s worth noting:

Passes for the lead - 1
Riders in contention for the win after lap 5 - 2


And when the rider in second attempted a pass to reclaim the lead, he nearly took himself and the race leader out due to the massive slipstream created by all the aero.

Aero contributes so much to the quality of the racing.

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those wings do not create slipstream turbulence. A prop or a jet engine would. this is the crazy ........ the commentators have created to drum up insanity. the whole the bike creates in the air (the air pocket for drafting) is not affected one small percent by winglets. he got mixed up in the draft and missed his breaking mark. this would have happened before wings and the new areo development.

Macattack said:

those wings do not create slipstream turbulence. A prop or a jet engine would. this is the crazy ........ the commentators have created to drum up insanity. the whole the bike creates in the air (the air pocket for drafting) is not affected one small percent by winglets. he got mixed up in the draft and missed his breaking mark. this would have happened before wings and the new areo development.

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To my understanding, one of the basic principles of aerodynamics is that the more an object punches a hole through the air (i.e. the more aerodynamic drag it generates), the greater the air immediately behind it is disrupted, and the greater the potential negative effects are on following objects.

This was illustrated very well in F1 as evidenced by the fact that the sporting regulations had to be completely rewritten, and the cars redesigned, because turbulence-generating aero (i.e. wings) disrupted the air for following vehicles so significantly that passing became nearly impossible and the quality of racing suffered.

Now in MotoGP, multiple riders and journalists are asserting that the ever-escalating aero development (using turbulence-generating wings) is causing difficulty overtaking and ruining the racing. And there was only one pass for the lead in yesterday’s race.

But you’re probably right - this is all coincidental and has nothing to do with aero development.

It's interesting to look at the weights of the various riders. Bez is the lightest on the grid 61kg, Jorge 64kg is lighter than Pecco at 66kg. Now I get why Bez sometimes totally clears off (that and his massive talent). Pecco is the most consistent "fat guy".