My crazy wreck ar Beaverun

Ljuice26 said:

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The more I look at this the more it appears the rider was pitting in without throwing his arm up.

Ultimately the CR did make a mistake, but I think it's clear the rider in front sees the red flag, rolls off the throttle, and starts to lean towards pit in.

Yep, methinks too...

That's why I HATE running in "I group"...

Phl said:

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Thanks Phil

i've been saying that as well about I group. hate it. More crazy accidents in I than any other group - especially in the Northeast ego driven groups. . .

Glad everyone came out ok. . Did N2 ban discussion of this. I don't see anything mentioned on their board at all. . .

anthem said:

i've been saying that as well about I group. hate it. More crazy accidents in I than any other group - especially in the Northeast ego driven groups. . .

Glad everyone came out ok. . Did N2 ban discussion of this. I don't see anything mentioned on their board at all. . .

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Yea I am sure they have. They have handled it like .... IMO. I am A with other orgs and was figuring I would get the bump with them to get it across the board. I agree, I is a scarey group.

I had not put your name here together with you on FB. Buddy, glad you are alive! I watched the vid many times, and will reserve my opinion about the control rider's riding, but they way they acted after the fact is a shame. I guess N2 really is NESBA2, no different in attitude.

Isn't there a red flag from the post on the right hand side at about 33sec.? Can't really tell because of the video quality... But if there is, then the control rider f*cked up bigtime..

Even though the rider in front clearly attempts to enter the pits rather un-announced and unexpectedly, the control rider should have ridden with a bit more safety margin when under a red flag... Right?

there is clearly a waving red flag around the 30 second point.. . CR says he looked from the apex and it wasn't there but I think that was to CYA because from the apex when he's there you can clearly see the red flag waving vigorously. . That doesn't explain why the rider didn't raise his hand before rolling off, but all three riders should have been raising arms and slowing down with the red flag up.

Also, from the video, you can clearly show at 5 seconds that the rider that is down is down and not "on her knees and trying to get up" - so in the back of your head as a control rider you would imagine that they are going to red flag to roll an ambulance out there to check the rider out.. . this "control rider" obviously just ignored all the information that should have been processed. You would expect more, but keep in mind, most of these orgs use volunteers who are sort of marginally compensated for doing this. . so it is perpetually a problem.

I work as an instructor/control rider a lot, and you do have to ride a lot different than you usually do just to avoid getting yourself in risky situations at the track. I think that this control rider isn't doing this in this particualr clip. The red flag is pretty clear, and the rider that crashed previously was clearly down which means that the CR should have anticipated the red flag. And even though the rider in front does a unexpected manouvre, the control rider should not have put himself in that position in the first place.

That being said... Everone can make a mistake... Just come clean and say "Hey, I made a mistake... I rode too agressive, didn't pay enough attention to flag signals and other riders, and I crashed, dragging two riders with me..... I'm sorry!"

my last and only time i ran with N2 (they were the only ones providing a trackday at road atlanta around that time) there was sooo much going on. i was surprised that not more happened.

okay, i might be a little biased, as they just missed and missed and missed to bump me into advanced, although already promised after my 2nd session where i happened to run faster than a control rider who also races AMA and other groups as expert ...

running in intermediate with them is , excuse my french, a big clusterfuck.
the control riders don't help much there, the system makes it even worse as they only permit passing them on their left, after being waved by by them. that leads to people piling up before turns, so faster riders don't have a chance to pass the squids by braking late, because there's tons of them all over the place ... so you end up passing people on the gas, guess what, that's where the squids are good at. but you have to be waved by, right?

i tried to find a good race line on the SV but ended up riding the 1199 all day, just because of the power.

in one of the later sessions a CR went out first, then a rider behind him, then me. well the CR seemed to need to set the pace already in the first lap, i was wondering how the other rider (obviously learning) would keep up... didn't last too long, in turn 6 he lowsided...



after this trackday, it was confirmed again to me, that racing in a dedicated class for the bike is way safer to get around a track, where you know what everyone is doing. yes, there's competition, but then again, people know what they are doing. also, they taught us in race school, when you crash, if it's your fault or not, you seek the others affected by it and apologize.

again, happy to hear you're alright, best is to write it off, wash it off forget about it...
and learn your lesson.

see you soon on the 1199

MrKO said:

Well as a few of you guys know. I ended up getting a new GSXR1000 (leaving me still longing to return to the Pani). I still enjoy the forum and community here and plan on returning to the Pani not far down the road. So this was my first track day on the new bike. 210hp Superbike build. I was just focusing on being smooth and not spinning up the rear. Weekend got cut a little short.[/URL]

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Just saw this again on the CBS This Morning news..... Just glad you are ok.

MrKO,

are they going to pay you for that vid?

it is interesting there is nary a peep, mention or anything on the n2 forum message boards, and thats a pretty active message board. . .

nah, they're all too busy winning a trackday

There was clearly a red flag waiving. I don't know this org, but unless it means "make a pass" I don't see how this should have happened. Looks like the rider in front saw the red and was headed for the pit, the CR seemed oblivious to it. Simple as that.

Edit: Rider in front should have raised his hand before rolling off though. Still doesn't justify CR ass packing someone under a red.

I also have a horror story with NESBA(N2) at Road Atlanta. All the things previously discussed in this thread all rolled into one morning session. One guy got a flight out in a helicopter and he was in the Novice group. How does that happen?

They are a terribly run organization and I doubted anything would change with the name change.

Someone needs to start a different organization that covers the same tracks and put them out of business once and for all.

Heal up quick!

What I was told by a reliable source was that Nesba went out of business because they were skipping the bill at the end of the day.

One of the local tracks here refused to have them unless they paid up front because of issues.

At one time Nesba was one of the better orgs out there. I can't see N2 doing any better since some of the big names are still with them.

KO you looked good brother until that bike landed in your lap!

MrKO said:

yup that was me. I am okay for the most part. Sore neck, knee, wrist, hip, ankle, head, neck and prob need surgery on my shoulder. Overall ... I am fine lol. Was a crazy ordeal. Screw N2 org. They handled the situation like some chumps thus far. That was a CR that ass packed the other slower rider.

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I'm glad you are relatively ok, to be honest I'm surprised you survived this accident with relatively minor injuries as it looked nasty.

The CR was clearly in the wrong but the main thing is you get to ride another day.

Track days can be really hairy at times i was riding at NJMP this last weekend and at the first day there were a huge amount of bikes down i think it was just because people are rusty and expect to be riding at the same pace as the end of last season.

I hope you heal up quickly.

Hey, guys thanks for the kind words.

I have been contacted by a few networks. If it all works out, I should be able to have the bike repaired for free (this was my request). But we'll see. Pretty crazy to see yourself nearly getting killed all over TV .