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I have to be honest, I don't think its that hard of a mistake to make. If you ever watched one of their factory videos, part pullers stack stuff on a cart and installers attach it. I'd even go so far as to guess the front wheel gets attached as an assembly which is built in a jig.

Even during QC at the end of production, if there's no error codes and it passes the checks out it goes. There is a test built into the Ohlins EC but it just fully seats the adjusters then backs them all the way out.

I'd bet Ducati NA is in communication with the factory to see how far reaching this is and how many units are effected and that's the big delay.
 
Ducati has taken ownership of this issue and are willing to correct it as necessary. Right now we’re getting all the pieces together and in the right place. So far all parties have been great to work with and everyone is working together to get this sorted as quickly as possible. I’m probably not going to add too much more to this thread until it’s resolved.

I started the thread to see if this or anything similar has happened to anyone else and for others to keep a look out when buying. Keep your eyes open :)
 
bp_SFV4 said:
I have to be honest, I don't think its that hard of a mistake to make. If you ever watched one of their factory videos, part pullers stack stuff on a cart and installers attach it. I'd even go so far as to guess the front wheel gets attached as an assembly which is built in a jig.

Even during QC at the end of production, if there's no error codes and it passes the checks out it goes. There is a test built into the Ohlins EC but it just fully seats the adjusters then backs them all the way out.

I'd bet Ducati NA is in communication with the factory to see how far reaching this is and how many units are effected and that's the big delay.
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Say what. If you charge premium pricing, you are not supposed to make clown mistakes on the assembly line. I am not buying a Ninja 400, I am buying a $30K motorcycle. Perfectly reasonable to expect to get what I pay for. Come on man, the standards are higher in the luxury market.
 
I'm sure Ferrari ..... stuff up too. A whole brand got started because their clutches sucked and Enzo was a dick about it.

I'm not giving them a pass, I think its easy to see how it happened.
 
craig bush said:
I’m inclined to say the R because it’s softer on the bottom end (with a bigger rush up top) making corner exit a little easier because you’re not managing as much lift and/or slide.

Maybe??

I’ve only ridden the R once though, so I’m no expert. Maybe @RickD996 has time on both?
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The non R will be easier to do faster lap times on for amateur riders as the increase in torque will partially make up for the lack of corner speed they carry.

The electronics should take care of power management, that's what they are there for.

All in all I think a non R will produce faster lap times with ~90% of riders.
 
What I have noticed, on the 1103 bike, even with the Evo3 software TC upgrade, the TC is on so much, it's bonkers. The characteristics of the engines ARE very different, but once you get used to the differences, they ride very similarly (thanks to overly invasive TC).

With the dash display, I use it in the older setting, as I found seeing the revs more beneficial as I learnt the power delivery. In this setting, you get a yellow light when any electronic intervention is acting. I did one session yesterday, with the newer layout, which shows which electronic aid is acting. I was expecting a lot of wheelie control, especially as the circuit is very bumpy and there are a few instances of hard acceleration from low speed. In six laps, DWC acted once.
On the R, at the same circuit, with almost identical lap times, hardly any TC intervention (although, you can't feel it, so, I'm not sure how much actual intervention is really happening?
 
Alkhater said:
The non R will be easier to do faster lap times on for amateur riders as the increase in torque will partially make up for the lack of corner speed they carry.

The electronics should take care of power management, that's what they are there for.

All in all I think a non R will produce faster lap times with ~90% of riders.
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That might be true, but csv4 didn’t ask me which bike I thought most people could ride faster, he asked:

“which one would you characterize as smoother/more manageable?”

I found the R smoother and more manageable.
 
craig bush said:
That might be true, but csv4 didn’t ask me which bike I thought most people could ride faster, he asked:

“which one would you characterize as smoother/more manageable?”

I found the R smoother and more manageable.
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Having thought about it for a minute, this is probably why most people would be faster on the R —> because they would find it smoother and more manageable.
 
RickD996 said:
What I have noticed, on the 1103 bike, even with the Evo3 software TC upgrade, the TC is on so much, it's bonkers. The characteristics of the engines ARE very different, but once you get used to the differences, they ride very similarly (thanks to overly invasive TC).

With the dash display, I use it in the older setting, as I found seeing the revs more beneficial as I learnt the power delivery. In this setting, you get a yellow light when any electronic intervention is acting. I did one session yesterday, with the newer layout, which shows which electronic aid is acting. I was expecting a lot of wheelie control, especially as the circuit is very bumpy and there are a few instances of hard acceleration from low speed. In six laps, DWC acted once.
On the R, at the same circuit, with almost identical lap times, hardly any TC intervention (although, you can't feel it, so, I'm not sure how much actual intervention is really happening?
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were you running slicks on the 1103?
 
When you say smoother I assume you mean it produces less vibration?

Because in terms of power delivery there’ll be very little discernible difference as proven by Ricks dynos… just a shift in power band.
 
Alkhater said:
When you say smoother I assume you mean it produces less vibration?

Because in terms of power delivery there’ll be very little discernible difference as proven by Ricks dynos… just a shift in power band.
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Me? No. The opposite - there was no discernible difference in vibration. I meant power delivery - the R is soft on the bottom and does most of it’s accelerating above 10k rpm. The 1100 comes out of corners harder at lower rpm.
 

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