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CSV4 said:
You're very chilled out about this (good for you) and apparently so is Ducati NA. I'd be pissed and I would have thought Ducati would be falling over themselves to make it right...
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“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.”-Sun Tzu

No need to rush into things. I’d like to keep all options open and do things right.
 
Steven31371 said:
sounds like they went toward BMW’ish….totally subjective whether that’s good or bad I would think.
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Not necessarily and very unlikely.

There's several ways to make a bike easier to ride... more chassis flex (to a point), geometry changes, balance etc.

In most cases easier is better but sometimes a design sacrifices ease for a certain characteristic that will allow for an overall reduction in lap time. Take the '22 Honda MotoGP bike for example, easier to ride but has lost its mid-corner turning ability (less ability to point and shoot).

Since the '22 Pani has only had a geometry change, I'd say the handling is most likely a refinement that complements the chassis better.
 
RickD996 said:
It's just a lot easier to ride. Hard to put your finger on it. It's a lot less physical too. And, faster, so a win all around.

However, the earlier bike does feel more alive, it's more of a battle, a different experience.

I've only ridden the settings on track, not sure if you road ride, if you'd notice?
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I've ridden a '19 V4S just on the road, but have have two trackdays and about 1200km on the road with my '22 V4S, the difference is really noticeable on the road too!
My buddy owns the '19, and we switched bikes for a while during a rideout. Both of us were quite surprised about how different the two bikes are. The seat on the '22 is quite a bit higher, the tank is a lot less fatiguing (and dont need tank grips as much as the '19), the steering is a lot lighter and the bike have a faster tip-in on corner entry giving a more flickable feeling.
We also noticed that the '22 leans quite a bit further over the side stand, probably because of the longer fork travel and raised svingarm pivot. At first I thought that my 959 just had a more vertical position than the V4s have, but when my buddy stopped and parked the bike he had a mild heart attack for a split second as the bike leaned past what he expected and thought we was about to drop my bike :p
 
Haha, I should clarify! By 'earlier bike', I did mean the pre 22 non R models!
 
weren't they the developmental bikes for where we arrive at now?
 
seems like a pretty different motor... rick d's dyno graph backed that up. Admit I'm curious about how quickly the R motor spins up and if the throttle control is noticeably better
 
V4R has a lot of titanium in it to help it rev quicker and higher. I don’t think the V4S motor has that stuff as it relies on more torque and displacement. These 2 engines most likely have a different character.

How fast a motor revs doesn’t necessarily correlate to more throttle control. A “heavier” engine is typically more tractable because the inertia smooths out small imperfections.
 
SuperDomestique said:
V4R has a lot of titanium in it to help it rev quicker and higher. I don’t think the V4S motor has that stuff as it relies on more torque and displacement. These 2 engines most likely have a different character.
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True. Having ridden both b2b, I can attest to the notably different character of the motors.
 
So I did a little digging. Ducati Omaha has an updated parts catalogue of the 22 models.

Interesting that the parts fiche schematic is incorrect as well. Ducati, you’re killing me. The part number in this catalogue is then superceded to 34421242B/34421242B which retails for $2700/leg. Sacre bleu!

The naming is interesting: Gamba SX/DX Ohlins 1927 ELC C125. Gamba is “leg” in Italian (or ”shrimp“ in Spanish). SX/DX = left or right. Not sure what 1927 means. ELC must mean electronic control. C125 corresponds to fork travel.

For comparison, the manual NPX from the 2020 V4R fork (superseded) parts number is 34420944A/34520944A and these cost $2800/leg. The NIX30 from the 2021 V4S is 34421162A/34521162A and cost $2700/leg.

I think the lesson to learn from this is don’t break your forks.

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CSV4 said:
which one would you characterize as smoother/more manageable?
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I’m inclined to say the R because it’s softer on the bottom end (with a bigger rush up top) making corner exit a little easier because you’re not managing as much lift and/or slide.

Maybe??

I’ve only ridden the R once though, so I’m no expert. Maybe @RickD996 has time on both?
 

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