New evo 2 software

01COCCOBET said:

Both bikes were fitted with PIRELLI SBK SLICKS SC1 compound

I don't remember how many laps they had on the V4R,but I changed 2 sets on my base that day,so I could understand the improvement anyway.

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Thanks.

Just wondering if anyone is running the street tyres as that’s what I will be doing. Can you see any reason you can’t?


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I am not an expert on that matter,but I don't think there is any problem riding it.
You'd better ask Ducati for that

01COCCOBET said:

I am not an expert on that matter,but I don't think there is any problem riding it.
You'd better ask Ducati for that

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The dealer who did it said it is only for the track and for slicks but mine was the first bike they have done it on.

Guess we will see when I get to the track.

I took it for a spirited street ride to day and finally thank .... the quick shifter felt like it should have from day one. Fast and snappy!!!


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What they mean by FOR TRACK

is that you will only notice the traction control improvement on track

as the difference appears when pushing really hard

and on tire wear, which on track could mean 3 trackdays instead of 2

and on street it could be 3,000 instead of 2,800 and you won’t notice that

After much speculation here about the contents of the 'DTC Evo2' software updates for both V4(S) and V4R, I decided to ask the factory After-Sales dept. via our Ducati Amsterdam dealership, to clarify and confirm.

Hereby the by the factory endorsed reply:

1 - "Ducati Traction Control & DQS EVO 2" generally functionally described for ANY V4(R/S) can be found here online;



[My remark] Although title suggests differently, NO explanation about DQS-Evo2 is found in this 'editorial'. Similarly, the DQS-Evo2 update is not even mentioned in Service Bulletin SRV-SRB-19-032 as provided to dealer for installing 96580201A (link) [/]

2 - Accessory ACC011896/ Art.no. 96580211A is for V4R model-year 2019 (link);
3 - Accessory ACC011743/ Art.no. 96580201A is for V4(S) model-years 2018-19 (link);

4 - Even though all V4 2020 models do have DTC-Evo2 and DQS-Evo2 factory-installed this does NOT mean that the 'DTC-Evo2' Accessory (ACC011743/ ACC011896) for 2018-19 V4's contain all 2020 model-year software updates (refer to list below).

[My remark] Off-the-record in the Ducati inner circle rumours state DMH is developing a “Performance package” (incl. this DTC-Evo2 as add-on) and an “Aerodynamics package” (incl. fairings+winglets) for the 2018-19 V4's, these packages possibly include more TBD 2020 model-year changes [/]

5 - Currently the 'DTC-Evo2' Accessory (ACC011743/ ACC011896), as a stand-alone paid software update, is meant for 'Track-only'. According to DMH After-Sales, for street-use within legal limits there are NO benefits whatsoever to enjoy (refer to list below);


List of what ACC011743/ ACC011896 (NOT) contains according to DMH After-Sales (Y/N):

Y - DTC Evo 2 & DQS Evo2 (duh!); refer to DTC Evo2 'editorial' and SRV-SRB-19-032 (link) for 'specs'. Additionally DQS also applies self-learning algorithms adapting itself to usage. According to my dealer, regardless of model-year, this is main reason a difference in smoothness and swiftness of shifting is experienced when comparing V4's. Not so much the specifically for high rpm/-load revised DQS Evo2 timings.;

Y - <dashboard> “- - -“ beyond 300kmh is indeed replaced for real speed indication as part of 'DTC Evo2' software update. On the contrary, the “- - -“ remain with the factory standard unmodified 2020 V4 model-year to comply with authorities;

N - <dashboard> Riding-modes are in this 'DTC Evo2' software update NOT renamed to: 'Race-Evo', 'Sport-Evo' & 'Wet-Evo' modes (They stay: Race, Sport, Street). This software naming-update is only additionally installed with revised mapping for the 'track-only' Ducati Performance exhausts (i.e. Akrapovic slip-ons and full-system race exhaust);

N - <dashboard> Watertemp. gauge is NOT slightly ecstatically modified as part of 'DTC Evo2' software update. This was recently part of standard 'free' service-update;

N - <dashboard> The color 'halo' towards max rpm to signal shifting has NOT changed (nor as part of 'DTC Evo2' software update);

N - touring/ low rpm riding on front cylinder-bank only is NOT part of this 'DTC Evo2' software update (i.e. ignition off for back pistons to manage heat better), NOR on the new 2020 models(!); As for ALL V4's: partly shutting-off ignition is only done when idling stationary above 75-85oC;

N - smoother throttle pickup in lower RPM range is NOT part of this 'DTC Evo2' software update. Yet indeed confirmed to be present for the 2020 model-year;

N - upto 10% better fuel efficiency is NOT part of this 'DTC Evo2' software update. On the contrary, fuel efficiency for this Race/Track specifically developed update is NO priority. Reportedly, the engine even seems to run a tad warmer according to the temp.gauge with similar usage and ambient temp.;

N - less EBC motor-brake above 6000rpm, more EBC in low rpm is both NOT part of this 'DTC Evo2' software update. Any claim it 'feels that way', could very well be due to different EBC settings a/o different usage and -environmental conditions to where the self-learning ECU will adapt its dynamic parameters to;


Hope this helps to clarify?

mayhan1980 said:

I rode it with the new software yesterday around the town. I felt that the bike has less engine braking between 14000- 6000 rpm, even if I change the EBC settings it makes minor adjustments. Once you get below 6000 rpm it decelarates faster. This creates less forces to rider between on/off throttle. Let's say at 12000 rpm you shut the throttle off, the bike doesn't pitch you hard to the front. I also felt that the power came softer under hard acceleration but to confirm I have to be at the race track.
The DQS 2 Evo is very noticeable. It shifts much quicker and smoother. Both upshifts and downshifts are better.
Anddd no I didn't try to check on the "---"

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As confirmed by Factory After-Sales:
- EBC: NO change in Evo2 update, could be due to reset of your self-learning EBC parameters due to update;
- "power came softer under hard acceleration": NO change in Evo2 update
- DQS: only change in higher rev-range, could be due to reset of your self-learning DQS parameters due to update;
- "---" no need to check, it's gone for real speed

Lots of great info in this thread. I am considering this upgrade for the track and have one question. Does it compromise DTC in any way when NOT using slicks or rain tires?

ArcticWhite said:

Lots of great info in this thread. I am considering this upgrade for the track and have one question. Does it compromise DTC in any way when NOT using slicks or rain tires?

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After having the DTC EVO 2 software accessory installed that's what the dash says for DTC levels 1-6 and 7-8. Doesn't look like Ducati intends for you to run it with DOT tires.

Crazy, so pretty much only flash it if you are converting your bike to 100% track?

Sure would be nice to get the smoother traction control and quicker shift times with DOT tires as well.

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I'd just call up your dealer and ask to be sure.

ArcticWhite said:

... only flash it if you are converting your bike to 100% track?

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5 - Currently the 'DTC-Evo2' Accessory (ACC011743/ ACC011896), as a stand-alone paid software update, is meant for 'Track-only'. According to DMH After-Sales, for street-use within legal limits there are NO benefits whatsoever to enjoy ...

Saying track only and you won't notice the difference on the street is all fine but that is different than the question I am asking.

What I am curious about is if I go to the track a couple times a year and want the better DTC program and therefore flash the evo2, am I jeopardizing in any way the functioning of the DTC on the street on street tires which is 90% of my riding.

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ArcticWhite said:

... am I jeopardizing in any way the functioning of the DTC on the street on street ...

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you’re not. Evo2 DTC and -DQS are installed exclusively by Duc dealer, bonded to ViN, with full DMH warranty.

Besides, why and what could Evo2 ‘jeopardize‘ if it is factory default installed on 2020 street-legal models onwards.

Well the wording "slicks or rain tires only" could mean that function is compromised if not using these tires. Why else would they use that warning?

One idea would be the DTC expects higher tire grip so when using street tires, it may not intervene as effectively as the factory dtc program.

And this specific version of evo2 is not on any factory bike, example: no factory bike has an unrestricted speedometer, so just because v4r or 2020 bikes came with something similar, it is not valid to assume this upgrade marketed as race only is the same and will function as well with street tires as factory street legal software does.

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I had just my 2019 Panigale V4 updated to Evo 2. I had not even realized before doing the update that it was marked as race only update. It may be marked ”for race only” because something in the update does not meet homologation requirements etc (like speedometer going over 300 km/h) or Ducati has not done some official certifaction testing etc for 2018-19 updated to Evo 2. This is pure speculation from my part.

I have now driven street for about 1000 km with Evo2 and quick shifter feels nicer. Would not like to go back to Evo (1). Track will tell someday (when the virus allows..) how the DTC works with Supercorsa SP V3.

I would also be curious to know if there is anything compromised in Evo 2 DTC when using Supercorsa SP V3 street tires.

There is mention of Evo 2 and Evo2 being different. I'd like to see some type of official statement to that effect. If they name different versions of software near enough to the same, it is really a misstep on the part of Ducati.
Maybe some type of comparison chart.

I just had my 600mi service yesterday and not ridden. Wonder if the ride mode names changed when they were hooked up to the computer... going to check now...

**EDIT** Still Street, Sport and Race

If Ducati's strategies are anything like BMW's the electronics make power delivery and traction management decisions based on real time data from the bike's sensors combined with pre-configured characteristics of the tire. A configuration for a slick running with a markedly lower performance street tire is liable to produce situations where the ECU applies amounts of power that result in DTC intervention because of the street tire's lower performance ceiling. Again, if the system works anything like BMW's the ECU is likely to constantly be applying more power than the tire can take then having to correct it with DTC intervention. That's slow. Ideally the ECU would only ever apply exactly as much power as the tire can take and you'd never get any DTC intervention.

@FooRider do you have either of the Akra exhausts? What are your riding modes called now? Does your DTC configuration screen give you the warnings about slicks/rains?

@WyldCFH EVO 2 is the standard package for the V4R and the 2020 V4/S. DTC EVO 2 is a non-standard, off-road, accessory available for all V4 Panigales. Ducati screwed up on naming/documentation there and seems to have confused everyone including some dealers.

BTrain5489 said:

If Ducati's strategies are anything like BMW's the electronics make power delivery and traction management decisions based on real time data from the bike's sensors combined with pre-configured characteristics of the tire. A configuration for a slick running with a markedly lower performance street tire is liable to produce situations where the ECU applies amounts of power that result in DTC intervention because of the street tire's lower performance ceiling. Again, if the system works anything like BMW's the ECU is likely to constantly be applying more power than the tire can take then having to correct it with DTC intervention. That's slow. Ideally the ECU would only ever apply exactly as much power as the tire can take and you'd never get any DTC intervention.

@FooRider do you have either of the Akra exhausts? What are your riding modes called now? Does your DTC configuration screen give you the warnings about slicks/rains?

@WyldCFH EVO 2 is the standard package for the V4R and the 2020 V4/S. DTC EVO 2 is a non-standard, off-road, accessory available for all V4 Panigales. Ducati screwed up on naming/documentation there and seems to have confused everyone including some dealers.

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And here is the massive confusion... This is a snip from the 2020 V4S page once you click the Electronics radio button... Panigale V4 | Model Year 2020

@WyldCFH My dealer spent a few days going back and forth with DNA to get confirmation that this accessory (and the corresponding part number for the V4/S) is not the same software that comes standard on the V4R. The accessory is what we're talking about.

“considerably improve racing performance”

good marketing

now I want it