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And you guys don’t think this bike is a marketing and accounting exercise
New Panigale V4 is ugly?
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Holy moly, I just did a configuration of the base with full system, race software and TPMS, its the best part 35K and we haven't even really got started with the other bling we all need! If you add in a few more items like the pegs etc you will knocking on double the base price door- ouch!
It’s nuts. As I said before, the full exhaust being one third of the price of the base bike… come off it.
Don’t forget to add on suspension to that - at least the shock.
I’d be perfectly happy with the low-exit half-system (it doesn’t need more power of course but the weight saving is nice). TPMS and DDL. Forged wheels. Wouldn’t worry about the dry clutch for the time being. Change the battery for a lithium one. That’s 36,000 Euros plus suspension and rearsets. And something to replace the lights or the track fairings kit if that’s the only way to do it.
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Tax for bike in CA + accessories $3200
Registration fees $2k
Forged wheels $2-3k
Suspension $2500
Your into $40k+ easy
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“… my crown is called ‘Content’. A crown it is that seldom kings enjoy.”
So you’re saying you should get one if you want to feel like a king?
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Watch latest 44teeth YouTube. No wonder Sep YoY sales are down 14%
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Okay so the lowest I can get the V4 base and be interested in buying is:
On top of that you have about $5k taxes and delivery so over $40k for the base.
BUT to actually get the lowest cost version of what they are marketing so heavily here’s the cost:
With tax a delivery your now at $55k, plus labor another $4k so 59k…and you still need headlight and taillight blockoffs, a lighter sprocket and chain $500…wheels $5k for after market CF, and a proper brake MC $700, and proper readers $900, and a tune to remove the USA restrictions $700…you are now at $65,000 to get what they are marketing…for that money I think I’d buy a 2023 V4R and put a RADE tank, CF wheels, my Sicom Rotors, and possibly a Suter or Pierobon Swingarm and keep using my thumb brake.
We’ll see.
On top of that you have about $5k taxes and delivery so over $40k for the base.
BUT to actually get the lowest cost version of what they are marketing so heavily here’s the cost:
With tax a delivery your now at $55k, plus labor another $4k so 59k…and you still need headlight and taillight blockoffs, a lighter sprocket and chain $500…wheels $5k for after market CF, and a proper brake MC $700, and proper readers $900, and a tune to remove the USA restrictions $700…you are now at $65,000 to get what they are marketing…for that money I think I’d buy a 2023 V4R and put a RADE tank, CF wheels, my Sicom Rotors, and possibly a Suter or Pierobon Swingarm and keep using my thumb brake.
We’ll see.
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I think this new bike will lose $10k to $20k in value off of total delivery costs the minute you drive it off the lot. Because it’s going to be an incredibly small market for this bike at those prices.
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$50k for a couple seconds. Ducati must really think its customers are suckers
It's an incredibly small market, even with the current V4. Last year the best-selling (worldwide) models were the Multistrada at 11k units, Monster at 8k, and Scrambler at 6k. They didn't even mention any other models in the press releases, but it's fair to assume that the DX, Hyper, the Diavels, SS, and SF sell in higher volumes than the Panigale. So, it's a reasonable guess that they sell fewer than 1500 Panigales a year, across all trims. That's why they didn't care about keeping the design as a priority with the new model - there are simply too few buyers for such a decision to significantly impact sales or profit.
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It's definitely a lot more than 1500, but I think the point is made that these bikes are a bit of a specialist/luxury item.
And to be fair once you get to the level that these bikes are then every second faster around a track is 10s of thousands in upgrades
And to be fair once you get to the level that these bikes are then every second faster around a track is 10s of thousands in upgrades
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Hang in there with your beautiful 916 for awhile longer and then get one of the Starbucks specials when they inevitably come up for sale!
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I think I have the 916 sold, what I will probably do is just hold off until the R comes, which I’d be willing to shell out more on, or as you said wait till a Starbucks special shows up, that’s how I ended up with the 916 in the 1st place. Hard to justify 45k for showa and sachs. And the double sided swingarm and new electronics aren’t worth $65k to me. You can find XTrenta’s for less with better trims on the bike.
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R will most likely come in 26. And if you think a base is expensive, wait until you see what an R will be. I'd anticipate at least $50k for the bike (19 =$45k $40k, 23 = $45k) + another $9500 for the full exhaust and DVAC and then $5k tax + $2k labor + $5200 reg fees. You'll be bumping into $70k+ for a new R
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Maybe, though they have WSBK price cap homologation rules to follow, and for an R I’m might be willing to shell out more, I’m just not seeing dropping $60k to $70k into another base or S to get it really ready for the track the way I’d like.
RoadracerX is selling me hard on going the HONDA HRC track build route and it’s sounding very very good to me right now.
You can get all the track bling, and a custom HRC ECU setup with wiring harness for 2/3rds the price of a Ducati track build on arguably equally as good a platform from a power to weight ratio with possibly a better chassis
Decisions decisions lol
Gollum’s MotoAmerica season on one and what you are seeing in British Superstock and Superbike are pretty compelling too.
Ducati’s .... you pricing may have pushed the limits too far for even me in terms of brand loyalty.
I don’t mind spending money on something sick, but .... you pricing annoys me
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