New Panigale V4 is ugly?

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Steven31371 said:
The full HRC Race ECU and wiring harness is another 5k. But it opens up 28 to 30 more HP on the fireblade with class leading intuitive trackside adjustment to EVERYTHING.

Rearset are $600 versus $1900 for it, full tintanium race exhausts are $2500 versus $7500.

Suter racing slipper clutch is $959 versus $3500

Wheels are $3000 versus $5000.

Comes with the same NPX forks as the V4R but electronically controlled, has StylemaR calipers OEM.

On and on.
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Where are you getting prices on the HRC stuff?
 
I put a deposit on one just now, January arrival.
SuperDomestique said:
Keep it simple. No need for a kit ECU for track day riding.
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And sure there is…let’s start with that it adds 28 to 30hp across most of the rev range…plus adjustability like throttle response control by gear that lets you soften the throttle in 2nd gear for smoothness coming of apex’s and have a more aggressive throttle response in 3 through 6 while ripping down a straight etc.

And before you say, I don’t need the extra 30 hp across the rev range. Remember, I already have 130 hp scalpel. The reason I want a liter bike in my deck is because of the power.

I’m pretty sensitive to changes on the bike, and that HRC Race ECU has tons of intuitive to use adjustments while trackside without having to be a tech to use it.
 
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Steven31371 said:
I put a deposit on one just now, January arrival.


And sure there is…let’s start with that it adds 28 to 30hp across most of the rev range…plus adjustability like throttle response control by gear that lets you soften the throttle in 2nd gear for smoothness coming of apex’s and have a more aggressive throttle response in 3 through 6 while ripping down a straight etc.

And before you say, I don’t need the extra 30 hp across the rev range. Remember, I already have 130 hp scalpel. The reason I want a liter bike in my deck is because of the power.

I’m pretty sensitive to changes on the bike, and that HRC Race ECU has tons of intuitive to use adjustments while trackside without having to be a tech to use it.
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Looking forward to reading what you think of it on track when it comes
 
Steven31371 said:
I put a deposit on one just now, January arrival.


And sure there is…let’s start with that it adds 28 to 30hp across most of the rev range…plus adjustability like throttle response control by gear that lets you soften the throttle in 2nd gear for smoothness coming of apex’s and have a more aggressive throttle response in 3 through 6 while ripping down a straight etc.

And before you say, I don’t need the extra 30 hp across the rev range. Remember, I already have 130 hp scalpel. The reason I want a liter bike in my deck is because of the power.

I’m pretty sensitive to changes on the bike, and that HRC Race ECU has tons of intuitive to use adjustments while trackside without having to be a tech to use it.
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Electronics are difficult get right and easy to get wrong. Sounds like too much work and added complexity for marginal gains for a track bike. If this was a race bike, go for it.
 
SuperDomestique said:
Electronics are difficult get right and easy to get wrong. Sounds like too much work and added complexity for marginal gains for a track bike. If this was a race bike, go for it.
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That’s the whole thing with HRC software, it’s actually intuitive to use. Also, I think too much emphasis with this kind of thing gets put on ‘will it make you faster or not’, I think that’s the wrong emphasis altogether for non-elite riders. The real question should be: “Does it make you feel better riding the bike?”

Did you gather up gobs of seconds when you adjusted you geometry? Or did it just make you more comfortable on the bike which will PRESUMABLY/EVENTUALLY lead to faster lap times?
 
Steven31371 said:
That’s the whole thing with HRC software, it’s actually intuitive to use. Also, I think too much emphasis with this kind of thing gets put on ‘will it make you faster or not’, I think that’s the wrong emphasis altogether for non-elite riders. The real question should be: “Does it make you feel better riding the bike?”

Did you gather up gobs of seconds when you adjusted you geometry? Or did it just make you more comfortable on the bike which will PRESUMABLY/EVENTUALLY lead to faster lap times?
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Wasn’t able to fully assess. Bike decided to not play ball
 
Interestingly I think I’m probably going to get the new V4 as I kind of think through everything out loud in these threads. But for sure I’m also getting the FIREBLADE too. I’ll have the KTM RC 8C as my middle weight TRACK ONLY scalpel, and the Fireblade as my liter bike TRACK ONLY ripper.

And have the Ducati be what it is, the street bike Ferrari of bikes.

There’s no question that off the shelf the Fireblade is built to turn into a better track bike for less money than a Ducati V4…Honda is building their Halo street bike specifically to be the best Superstock 1000 bike in the world where you can’t change much but the tune on the bike to compete in that class, and they are dominating every race series around the world in that class. It’s a bike specifically built to convert easily and cheaply to the best liter track weapon on the market.

Ducati on the other hand is making the sexiest bike in the world with rider aids that will help you go fast without killing their client base while “Exciting all the senses”. But it’s absurdly expensive to turn into a track bike that’s not as good as the purpose built Fireblade.

The Ducati has a sexiness too it though, like driving a Ferrari, everything about it just feels good to ride. They aren’t lying in their marketing materials when they say they want to build a bike with a FEELING to that ‘excites all the senses’.

It’s a Ferrari plain and simple…only if you are REALLY wealthy are you going to track a Ferrari…and there are better options out there for that. But you will (if you have the cheddar) ride a Ferrari around everyday feeling like king of the world while REALLY enjoying the driving experience.

So I’ll likely do what each bike is actually intended for. Cheaply and easily convert the Fireblade to just about the best track weapon available on the market in a liter bike…and between track days when I want to ride go out on my Ducati that excites all the senses that way, and is purpose built for that.
 
Steven31371 said:
The full HRC Race ECU and wiring harness is another 5k. But it opens up 28 to 30 more HP on the fireblade with class leading intuitive trackside adjustment to EVERYTHING.

Rearset are $600 versus $1900 for it, full tintanium race exhausts are $2500 versus $7500.

Suter racing slipper clutch is $959 versus $3500

Wheels are $3000 versus $5000.

Comes with the same NPX forks as the V4R but electronically controlled, has StylemaR calipers OEM.

On and on.
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Your prices are unreal, with exception of exhaust.

V4S/R EVO3 is already at the level of HRC but without ability to tune stuff.

Oz Wheels are 2500 for both, rear sets same price. sutter clutch same monies
R comes with dry clutch already that is decent enough for


here few links before you start screaming

https://www.tgp-shop.com/product-page/oz-piega-aluminium-felgen-set-ducati-panigale-v4-rhttps://www.desmo-racing.com/en/adj...ver-ducati-panigale-v4r-xml-246_632-5084.htmlhttps://suterproducts.com/products/004-28013_0
 
panibadboy said:
Your prices are unreal, with exception of exhaust.

V4S/R EVO3 is already at the level of HRC but without ability to tune stuff.

Oz Wheels are 2500 for both, rear sets same price. sutter clutch same monies
R comes with dry clutch already that is decent enough for


here few links before you start screaming

https://www.tgp-shop.com/product-page/oz-piega-aluminium-felgen-set-ducati-panigale-v4-rhttps://www.desmo-racing.com/en/adj...ver-ducati-panigale-v4r-xml-246_632-5084.htmlhttps://suterproducts.com/products/004-28013_0
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Yeah and to add on, the specific wheel setup I want for the Fireblade is gunna be about $5k

Having said that, show me the spider rearsets for the 2025…they don’t exist, and when they do (if they ever do) they will be way more expensive than on previous bikes, because there are at least two to three models they will have to make. Each with a different configuration for the rear brake MC depending on exhaust type.

In any case, right now the only racing rearsets available for the 2025 Pani are $1900 in the US.
 
Steven31371 said:
show me the spider rearsets for the 2025…they don’t exist, and when they do (if they ever do) they will be way more expensive than on previous bikes
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Not sure about prices yet but they do exist and will be shown at EICMA - two models, the same as DP have done. Both fixed pegs as far as I understand it. I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread.
 
Steven31371 said:
I’m pretty sensitive to changes on the bike, and that HRC Race ECU has tons of intuitive to use adjustments while trackside without having to be a tech to use it.
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There are a few videos showing it being used and it looks quite easy to use. It also looks like it does work with the SP as far as I can tell.

Steven31371 said:
So I’ll likely do what each bike is actually intended for. Cheaply and easily convert the Fireblade to just about the best track weapon available on the market in a liter bike…and between track days when I want to ride go out on my Ducati that excites all the senses that way, and is purpose built for that.
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Don’t you think you’ll be tempted to find out what the Panigale is like on track? I don’t really think a Panigale makes much sense for the road, putting aside the feel-good vibes that you mentioned. I’ve not ridden my SP2 once this year - all my riding has been on track.

I assume you’ve ordered the base Fireblade. I’ll be interested to hear what parts you use and what you think of the bike.

For the V4 or the Fireblade I’m in two minds about going for a base or the S/SP - I suspect the third generation electronic suspension is very good and more than good enough for faster times than I’m likely to do. I do wonder if modifying the base is still the best way to go for anyone other than the fastest riders, considering improvements in electronic suspension.
 

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