Not sure if I should get this 1199 race bike

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AegirCD1

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So I bought the 899 for several reasons, and one was I had been away from bikes for an extended period, the other came down to price.
I like the 899, and in the end though is a false economy of sorts, as I weigh 100kgs with riding gear, and needed to spend some money. I bought Bitubo steering damper, Cartridge kit for the forks with 1kg springs and a 0.95 sprung Bitubo rear shock. These later two are with the shop to fit them as we speak.
However, while handing over those items and my bike on Saturday morning, I have an offer.
I could trade pretty much as is (Bitubo gear on the bike) for an 1199 race bike built by Craig McMartin in Australia. Turns out he knows what he is doing.
So the plan was to turn the 899 into a track bike anyway, but pretty much as is, and the added bonus I could ride it on the road or sell it as a road bike later, though that is not really the plan.
The 1199 at this point I know little about, other than it has been raced but engine rebuilt and not been turned over since. It has Ohilins suspension and the 1kg cartridges that are common on this forum. (without looking it up, NIX 30) or such. Blueprinted motor with lightened crank, lighter wheels and Ducati Corse electronics that does not appear on road going bikes. I should point out this bike did not start as a road going bike, but was built up from scratch. Has the full exhaust system, etc, and while not dyno;d puts out approx 195bhp, and I assume that is rear wheel.
This is a quick pic of the bike, and I am in two minds about it. The 899 sort of suits me, and an 1199 like this might be too much for me after a long time away. plus hard to sell later on if I wanted. Also, the 899 has only 1500kms on it, and I have warranty should it go wrong.
The 899 cost me 24k in Australia, plus 4 k in Bitubo gear which comes to the price now being asked for the 1199 give or take a small amount.
Opinions?
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How much is the bike . Craig knows how to build a great bike I'm sure it is well sorted .
 
wilkson said:
How much is the bike . Craig knows how to build a great bike I'm sure it is well sorted .
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$29.5 they want for it.
I spoke to Craig yesterday about it, and considering I called him out of the blue and he does not know me, he was most kind with the time he took to explain what was in the bike. I would hope to understand it (its history) a little more though, through Corse Motorcycles.
They have 2!

It is a lot of money for a track only bike, and I would be giving up a Track/Road bike to make it happen. Having said that, there is certainly a lot more than 29.5k that went into it, it is not new however, so is relative to a degree, as it would be hard to sell on later.

The 899 is almost brand new with nice Bitubo parts about to go in.


One of the main reasons I am going over and over it, is I am not sure if the 1199 in this kind of trim might be a little much for me, as I am not 21 any more (43) and I had an extended time away with kids etc. I would of course like to keep it in one piece.
I did ride ok, and am happy to go the long way back before cutting lose, such as the beginner group when I get to a track day again, and I am planning to take the Superbike school early next year , parts 1 and 2 at Philip Island. I had plenty of experience in the past, quite a few bikes and quite a few tracks, and also did the Schwantz school back in 2003 (only because I am his biggest fan) so can ride it no problem, but it is some beast.

My other concern would be the reliability of it compared with a road bike turned into a track bike that still has 1.5 years of warranty on it. The expense of such a bike could impact the track time it sees, which is hard enough in Perth with limited options as it is.
 
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I would go for the 1199 which is what you want to do any way. Ride it as fast as your ability allows and you should be ok. Seeing your age you should be able to do that. :D
 
Claymore said:
I would go for the 1199 which is what you want to do any way. Ride it as fast as your ability allows and you should be ok. Seeing your age you should be able to do that. :D
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I should be able to do that, but even at my advanced age, when the helmet goes on, I turn into the biggest lunatic going.
It is kind of what I wanted, it has the go gear on it, and while I can ride it a touch slower, maybe a touch more slower again than the bike builder, I would be concerned of its durability, given the fact it has been raced and has had work done to the engine and if it is going to become a money pit for money that I dont have spare for such things. I can absorb some costs, but constant costs above normal wear and tear and rack day entries I can not. So anyone with some experience in this sought of bike in that regard maybe?
 
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AegirCD1 said:
I should be able to do that, but even at my advanced age, when the helmet goes on, I turn into the biggest lunatic going.
It is kind of what I wanted, it has the go gear on it, and while I can ride it a touch slower, maybe a touch more slower again than the bike builder, I would be concerned of its durability, given the fact it has been raced and has had work done to the engine and if it is going to become a money pit for money that I dont have spare for such things. I can absorb some costs, but constant costs above normal wear and tear and rack day entries I can not. So anyone with some experience in this sought of bike in that regard maybe?
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Don't worry about reliability they are proving to be reliable of course anything can go wrong as well if the bike is brand new .
My first 1199 has now done over14000 race km and is still faultless .
Bad luck can happen but it should not happen any more to this bike than any other if you want to track the bike .
I have friend who bought a street 1199 it lasted that way for about a month and now is a full time track bike that is where the bike us at its best .
Myself and all my mates I go to the track with are all in their 40s some are older and all love it .
Like I said before Craig didn't mess around with .... boxes his most likely the guy you want your bike to come from other than me
 
wilkson said:
Don't worry about reliability they are proving to be reliable of course anything can go wrong as well if the bike is brand new .
My first 1199 has now done over14000 race km and is still faultless .
Bad luck can happen but it should not happen any more to this bike than any other if you want to track the bike .
I have friend who bought a street 1199 it lasted that way for about a month and now is a full time track bike that is where the bike us at its best .
Myself and all my mates I go to the track with are all in their 40s some are older and all love it .
Like I said before Craig didn't mess around with .... boxes his most likely the guy you want your bike to come from other than me
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Not sure the kms this one has done though. I hope to find that out tomorrow morning. I am pretty keen on this one, just a shame I have the Bitubo gear at 4k just arrived. Adds some buyers pain!
 
Just a quick look and it looks like the mufflers need re packing they look like they are starting to get a hot spot .
This will need to be fixed
 
wilkson said:
Just a quick look and it looks like the mufflers need re packing they look like they are starting to get a hot spot .
This will need to be fixed
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If you have the mufflers re packed have it ceramic coated inside and out while you are at it. I did it with mine. :D
 

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AegirCD1 said:
$29.5 they want for it.
I spoke to Craig yesterday about it, and considering I called him out of the blue and he does not know me, he was most kind with the time he took to explain what was in the bike. I would hope to understand it (its history) a little more though, through Corse Motorcycles.
They have 2!

It is a lot of money for a track only bike, and I would be giving up a Track/Road bike to make it happen. Having said that, there is certainly a lot more than 29.5k that went into it, it is not new however, so is relative to a degree, as it would be hard to sell on later.

The 899 is almost brand new with nice Bitubo parts about to go in.


One of the main reasons I am going over and over it, is I am not sure if the 1199 in this kind of trim might be a little much for me, as I am not 21 any more (43) and I had an extended time away with kids etc. I would of course like to keep it in one piece.
I did ride ok, and am happy to go the long way back before cutting lose, such as the beginner group when I get to a track day again, and I am planning to take the Superbike school early next year , parts 1 and 2 at Philip Island. I had plenty of experience in the past, quite a few bikes and quite a few tracks, and also did the Schwantz school back in 2003 (only because I am his biggest fan) so can ride it no problem, but it is some beast.

My other concern would be the reliability of it compared with a road bike turned into a track bike that still has 1.5 years of warranty on it. The expense of such a bike could impact the track time it sees, which is hard enough in Perth with limited options as it is.
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Sounds like you just answered your own question...!!! Word from the wise... If you ever crash a Panigale it takes VERY LITTLE to total one.. Crashes at the track happen and you are much more likely go have a get off at a track day than the street. I recently had a high side and the bike itself just slid on its left side. **I had great T Rex sliders mounted and all I damaged was the front headlight cowl the upper right side panel ,a broken right handlebar and the right side tail piece and the parts alone were over $2000.00 US dollars! I was lucky the fuel tank was unscathed because they cost about $2400 US dollars ...
BTW...I discovered that the Ducati Panigale's do NOT have any type of tip over/motor cut off switch. My 1299 S laid on it's side running for 2 minutes before a corner worker finally turned it off. I got lucky and had a oil pressure check and the bikes motor is OK
But that alone could have totaled the motor.

The Panigale is a fine bike but cost two to three times the money that a Japanese bike does to repair.


After all the money I have invested in my bike to begin with( and the extra money to repair it) I have decided not to put it on the track again.
This is just a personal decision I have made because of all the expense and hassle tom get it back running and looking good again...I finally reached my breaking point when i put the pencil to it and realized that adding in the extra $3500 for the Akrapovic exhaust and the Rapid Bike module and labor etc that i now have over $36K invested..That is more than what I paid for my truck! And let's face it one actually NEEDS a Panigale. It is a purchase we make just because we WANT one! Foe me, it started out as a dream bike and has become somewhat of a nightmare. My bike has still got the problem with the throttle sticking in first gear for about a second when you are slowing down for a turn and then it suddenly drops RPM.
It has been in the shop countless times and the dealer even traded out the ECU with a brand new one and no change. It still has the throttle sticking...The factory Ducati rep won't do anything about it either so far. But I digress..... Back to the original topic..

On a Ducati Superbike, just a simple tip over in a parking lot can cost you thousands of dollars to repair.. You gotta pay to play... if you are on a budget then it will be tough if even a small get off happens.
All bikes nowadays are pretty expensive to repair but the Duc is three times the money to fix..
Just my opinion I am sure others will not agree.

Speedy
 
speedy14 said:
Sounds like you just answered your own question...!!! Word from the wise... If you ever crash a Panigale it takes VERY LITTLE to total one.. Crashes at the track happen and you are much more likely go have a get off at a track day than the street. I recently had a high side and the bike itself just slid on its left side. **I had great T Rex sliders mounted and all I damaged was the front headlight cowl the upper right side panel ,a broken right handlebar and the right side tail piece and the parts alone were over $2000.00 US dollars! I was lucky the fuel tank was unscathed because they cost about $2400 US dollars ...
BTW...I discovered that the Ducati Panigale's do NOT have any type of tip over/motor cut off switch. My 1299 S laid on it's side running for 2 minutes before a corner worker finally turned it off. I got lucky and had a oil pressure check and the bikes motor is OK
But that alone could have totaled the motor.

The Panigale is a fine bike but cost two to three times the money that a Japanese bike does to repair.


After all the money I have invested in my bike to begin with( and the extra money to repair it) I have decided not to put it on the track again.
This is just a personal decision I have made because of all the expense and hassle tom get it back running and looking good again...I finally reached my breaking point when i put the pencil to it and realized that adding in the extra $3500 for the Akrapovic exhaust and the Rapid Bike module and labor etc that i now have over $36K invested..That is more than what I paid for my truck! And let's face it one actually NEEDS a Panigale. It is a purchase we make just because we WANT one! Foe me, it started out as a dream bike and has become somewhat of a nightmare. My bike has still got the problem with the throttle sticking in first gear for about a second when you are slowing down for a turn and then it suddenly drops RPM.
It has been in the shop countless times and the dealer even traded out the ECU with a brand new one and no change. It still has the throttle sticking...The factory Ducati rep won't do anything about it either so far. But I digress..... Back to the original topic..

On a Ducati Superbike, just a simple tip over in a parking lot can cost you thousands of dollars to repair.. You gotta pay to play... if you are on a budget then it will be tough if even a small get off happens.
All bikes nowadays are pretty expensive to repair but the Duc is three times the money to fix..
Just my opinion I am sure others will not agree.

Speedy
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I did see your crash video.
I am not worried about dropping the bike so much, that is not part of the budget and would be costly enough either way on the 899 or this 1199 and something I am prepared for. In fact it seems easier to get 1199 parts online.
What I was concerned about in terms of costs, are more the fact the engine has been worked and might not be as reliable as the standard motor and parts on this particular 1199 going wrong and needing repair or replacing such as the expensive electronics. To have it in the shop every month is the thing I am wanting to avoid, and my point on warranty would be if the engine had enough and gave up on the 899 for example, I would put the mirrors on and drop it off at the dealer to fix, as I am not ''racing it'' it is within the rules of warranty.
Those are the costs I would find hard, and my wife would make it so.
But I am thinking a might stick with the 899 for next year on the track then see what is what, maybe get a 1299 hand me down race bike by then.
 
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If I was just doing track days (with no intentions of racing) I wouldn't do it. That bike is well sorted and I am sure it would be fine, but that is a huge investment for a track day bike, when a 2008 R6 would be just as good and would likely get you (read: most people) around the track just fine.

If you do/plan on racing, then I would be all over that 1199 like stink on ..... It is well sorted, apparently well built and capable of winning races right now.
 
28k for a panigale S with all those gears (even just nix30 and exhaust) is a very good price, assuming you wont want to ride it on the road to begin with.
Blueprinted engines should not be too bad. Compression increase, however, and you need to expect frequent engine rebuild. Best not to touch that unless your wallet is loaded, or you know how to DIY it.
Not sure about that electronics. Worst case scenario you can put stock one back on, but expect cost $$$ and drop in power to closer to stock. Not sure if you would fantasize about this.
But yeah, strictly speaking, i think in oz a panigale S at 28k ish is quite a decent price, no?
In here, expect a roadgoing stock panigale S with stock suspension and stock exhaust with 30k kms on the clock at $25k ish.
 
I can understand both Speedy14's comment about inherent crashability of panigales and Chaotic's advice that an R6 etc would probably be just as effective for most cases. Both are probably very true.

For me, I hate jap IL4s with a passion. Part of the thing about the track for me is an even closer bond with the bike, so I take both my Ducatis there, regardless of the risk or sensibilities involved.

If I had the chance/cash to have a track only panigale of that standard, I would snap it up. A vote to buy it from this rather jealous chappie:D
 
990Glen said:
I can understand both Speedy14's comment about inherent crashability of panigales and Chaotic's advice that an R6 etc would probably be just as effective for most cases. Both are probably very true.

For me, I hate jap IL4s with a passion. Part of the thing about the track for me is an even closer bond with the bike, so I take both my Ducatis there, regardless of the risk or sensibilities involved.

If I had the chance/cash to have a track only panigale of that standard, I would snap it up. A vote to buy it from this rather jealous chappie:D
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Exactly . People just assume going to track is just about cutting laps but part of the fun for me at least is what I'm riding .
Using that mentality we should just sell our Ducatis and buy GSXR. Not that there is anything wrong with GSXRs

but it will do the job at half the price .
 
Marmoot said:
28k for a panigale S with all those gears (even just nix30 and exhaust) is a very good price, assuming you wont want to ride it on the road to begin with.
Blueprinted engines should not be too bad. Compression increase, however, and you need to expect frequent engine rebuild. Best not to touch that unless your wallet is loaded, or you know how to DIY it.
Not sure about that electronics. Worst case scenario you can put stock one back on, but expect cost $$$ and drop in power to closer to stock. Not sure if you would fantasize about this.
But yeah, strictly speaking, i think in oz a panigale S at 28k ish is quite a decent price, no?
In here, expect a roadgoing stock panigale S with stock suspension and stock exhaust with 30k kms on the clock at $25k ish.
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I'm not sure if any of the road gear comes with it and what work would be required to put it that way with the electrical side of things from what the op says about the bike, if it can be registered at all. There's a run out S new here in Qld for 29.9k(might be sold now) and track only can be had for much less, mind you with less fruit. Second hand 25-28k would be about it I reckon (realistic). NIX30 forks are what the S forks are based off with electronics thrown in so no real change there....just maybe setup better.

The old think with bikes...it's not you first nor will it be your last, if you want it get it, if it doesn't work out flick it and get something else.

my 2 bob worth would be keep the 899 for a while, get back in the grove, figure out exactly how much track time v's road you actually want to do. There will be another 1199 down the track...no pun intended :D
 
wilkson said:
Exactly . People just assume going to track is just about cutting laps but part of the fun for me at least is what I'm riding .
Using that mentality we should just sell our Ducatis and buy GSXR. Not that there is anything wrong with GSXRs

but it will do the job at half the price .
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my respect to you for saying this more than others since I remember your misfortunes at the track.
 
ruley said:
I'm not sure if any of the road gear comes with it and what work would be required to put it that way with the electrical side of things from what the op says about the bike, if it can be registered at all. There's a run out S new here in Qld for 29.9k(might be sold now) and track only can be had for much less, mind you with less fruit. Second hand 25-28k would be about it I reckon (realistic). NIX30 forks are what the S forks are based off with electronics thrown in so no real change there....just maybe setup better.

The old think with bikes...it's not you first nor will it be your last, if you want it get it, if it doesn't work out flick it and get something else.

my 2 bob worth would be keep the 899 for a while, get back in the grove, figure out exactly how much track time v's road you actually want to do. There will be another 1199 down the track...no pun intended :D
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I think I will keep the 899 for the next 6 months at least and get some track time. There is nothing road going about that 1199, as it was never a road bike in the first place. No vin numbers, it was built for racing so might be hard to flick it, as pointed out here 29k for a track bike is a fair bit of money. Having said that, my 899 has cost 29k now the Bitubo gear has been purchased and currently being fitted and I bought that to mostly track. With the added bonus I could sell it as a road bike later, or trade in maybe on a 1299.
I could have bought GXR 1000 and a 600, but when I first traded my ZX12R for a 996, I was ''sold'' on the V Twin. I tracked both of those bikes by the way, and the ZX12R was more fun than most would think on the track.
Anyway, before I bought the 899 I tried the MV F3 and didn't like it (looks great) and then the moment I set off on the test ride on the 899 I knew I was buying it. And yes, there will be another 1199 or 1299 down the track as you say.

I started the thread because I could not make up my mind, and wanted to hear hopefully from people who have similar bikes to understand what the issues might be (worked motor etc) and some to talk sense to me either way as it was driving me crazy. I think I have got what I needed from the thread and for now, the 899 will stay.
 

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