Pirelli WSBK 200/65 Tires for Canyon riding ?

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baggerman said:
When you cut a slick you get a rain tire. The squirming tread generates heat. The same compound on a slick runs cooler.
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This is 100% not true.

If you cut a slick, you get a cut slick. This, does not even come close to a wet tyre.

Thankfully, Pirelli has finally changed their intermediate tyre. It is now closer to a wet tyre, with less tread.
It used to be, very close to a cut slick. Which is why they were lethal in damp conditions. Really, the old intermediate tyres were more suited to very cold conditions.

Yes, moving tread blocks create heat.
 
For years Dunlop cut slicks for rain tires. My point was typically a medium slick compound was used for soft dot tires. Compounds could be identical. I always ran dunlop slicks mainly because I like the behavior of the fronts and I had a relationship with the dunlop guys. At the end of the season I would buy the left over rear dot qualifiers and run them as street tires. Softer and lasted longer than what they were selling to the general public. Never used pirelli's other than street tires but do like them. Never liked michelin's too unpredictable at the edge of the fronts, suspect they fixed this (or maybe not given the COTA crash fest).
 
PerfectgradeSBK said:
So the DOT SC3 compound Pirelli Diablo would have a higher silica content thus making it retain and heat up quicker then it’s track only SC3 compound superbike variant? Also do you know why Pirelli doesn’t make a 200/65 sbk profile street tire?
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I’ve ran both and was told by several knowledgeable people that the DOT version is the same compound as the track slicks on the SC3, but purely anecdotally, I don’t believe it, because once you’ve scrubbed the top layer off they actually FEEL different to the touch, the slicks FEEL harder when cold than the dot approved version.

The only way I’d run the slicks on the street and push it even a tiny bit is if they were on warmers 1st and then only go for a short hard ride wherein they didn’t have a chance to cool down much. And even then it’s a gamble that will likely see you laying your bike down.

If you want to canyon carve and get maximum grip safely use the SC Dot approved version, and if you want to dial them up put them on warmers before you head out and check your tire pressures a lot….but please don’t run slicks on the road and go canyon carving, not because it’s illegal, but because I’d hate to think about your family getting a phone call that will change their lives forever.

You simply cannot maintain safe temps and pressure on slick out on public roads.
 
Hes a ....... who gives sports riders a bad name, unfortunately others see this and think its a good idea to ride 10/10ths on a public road and that slicks actually are an option.
 
Paul G said:
Hes a ....... who gives sports riders a bad name, unfortunately others see this and think its a good idea to ride 10/10ths on a public road and that slicks actually are an option.
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The .... that people are willing to do to make a few bucks off of Social Media is just ridiculous these days, forget about no pretty girls in waitress jobs anymore because of Only Fans….it’s the knummnuts like these guys that either do .... that’s gunna get themselves and other people killed or the guys that spew hate for clout that get me….too many people out there willing to throw out all personal honor and dignity to make a quick small amount of money.
 
Most people who ask these questions are not even coming close to outriding the DOT versions in the canyons anyway.

Ive only seen 1 guy in these canyons running a rear slick respectfully, and he is one of the faster northern Ca race/track guys, using a multistrada in the canyons, and he is always on one wheel. Canyon or track.
 
outhouse said:
Most people who ask these questions are not even coming close to outriding the DOT versions in the canyons anyway.

Ive only seen 1 guy in these canyons running a rear slick respectfully, and he is one of the faster northern Ca race/track guys, using a multistrada in the canyons, and he is always on one wheel. Canyon or track.
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The point is that the SC3 tires are the same shoulder compound as the tires that come stock on the Panigale V4S. It’s not a matter of “needing” the slicks because the Diablo supercorsa SP tires are being outridden, but a matter of is this possible and are they the same compound as the DOT versions. I believe it’s already been answered at this point.
 
PerfectgradeSBK said:
The point is that the SC3 tires are the same shoulder compound as the tires that come stock on the Panigale V4S. It’s not a matter of “needing” the slicks because the Diablo supercorsa SP tires are being outridden, but a matter of is this possible and are they the same compound as the DOT versions. I believe it’s already been answered at this point.
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So if they're the same compound what's the point in running a non treaded version on the street?
 
Alkhater said:
So if they're the same compound what's the point in running a non treaded version on the street?
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We were Interested in the 200/65 WSBK profile that’s exclusive to the Pirelli Diablo Superbike slick. This would provide a greater contact patch than your typical 200/60 profile tire.
 
PerfectgradeSBK said:
The point is that the SC3 tires are the same shoulder compound as the tires that come stock on the Panigale V4S. It’s not a matter of “needing” the slicks because the Diablo supercorsa SP tires are being outridden, but a matter of is this possible and are they the same compound as the DOT versions. I believe it’s already been answered at this point.
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It’s not the same compound, or if it is it’s layered different and heat cycles differently on the DOT versus the slick, because on the slick after I original scrub off they feel dramatically different to the touch. Which would make sense because if you had the slick retaining and building heat the same way at the track as you do on the street you’d burn through the slick in two track sessions, maybe one.

At the track you are expected to heat the tire on warmers, then with it already hot you are keeping the tire under CONSTANT load aggressive load/torque for 20 to 30 minutes straight with no ‘let up’ on the tire load. On the street no matter how much of a hooligan you are you are not keeping the tire loaded the way you do at the track for more than 2 minutes at a time, there’s just no space for it on canyons or public roads where you don’t have to slow down for a car etc.

So even if the actual compound is the same on the DOT SC3 and slick SC3 or any other tire the Construction of the tire will be different to allow the DOT tire to get up to temp and hold it there with less sustained load on the tire.
 
Alkhater said:
So if they're the same compound what's the point in running a non treaded version on the street?
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The point, is some don’t have 2 sets of wheels.

And need slicks for the track, but cant swap back to street tires every time.

This is my case, the slicks run better than the SP On the street, the only downside is that they last like 1,800 miles vs the SP last 2200,

They degrade on the center
 

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Steven31371 said:
It’s not the same compound, or if it is it’s layered different and heat cycles differently on the DOT versus the slick, because on the slick after I original scrub off they feel dramatically different to the touch. Which would make sense because if you had the slick retaining and building heat the same way at the track as you do on the street you’d burn through the slick in two track sessions, maybe one.

At the track you are expected to heat the tire on warmers, then with it already hot you are keeping the tire under CONSTANT load aggressive load/torque for 20 to 30 minutes straight with no ‘let up’ on the tire load. On the street no matter how much of a hooligan you are you are not keeping the tire loaded the way you do at the track for more than 2 minutes at a time, there’s just no space for it on canyons or public roads where you don’t have to slow down for a car etc.

So even if the actual compound is the same on the DOT SC3 and slick SC3 or any other tire the Construction of the tire will be different to allow the DOT tire to get up to temp and hold it there with less sustained load on the tire.
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Yeah makes perfect sense. The compound is the same but it’s layered in a way to be more advantageous to a track application which leads to decrease In performance if not loaded continuously at the track.
 
craig bush said:
One sure way to find out.
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Yeah there is and it’s by asking a group of like minded individuals about their experiences. A lot of people have insight and are extremely knowledgeable. Also I love the bike can you post some detailed pictures I would love to see more then just your profile pic.
 
This thread is asinine
PerfectgradeSBK said:
We were Interested in the 200/65 WSBK profile that’s exclusive to the Pirelli Diablo Superbike slick. This would provide a greater contact patch than your typical 200/60 profile tire.
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The gain in contact patch would be so marginal and the negatives are so profound that it’s asinine to continue to pursue this thought
 

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