Pirelli WSBK 200/65 Tires for Canyon riding ?

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This thread is asinine

The gain in contact patch would be so marginal and the negatives are so profound that it’s asinine to continue to pursue this thought

At the track the gain in contact patch would undeniably be beneficial. My argument was if the compounds are the same then it would be just fine to utilize on the street. After learning potential differences in the layering of the compound I now have my questioned answered.
It is not the same. Its why the DOT does not need tire warmers, and the slicks require them. Mote silica in the DOT compounds.

Most product descriptions I have seen listed the fact that the SC3 compound doesn’t require warmers.
 
Years ago my friend Steve (an old AMA guy) was loaned a 250 GP bike to race at one of the AFM races. Starting position at AFM was based on your last races finishing positions. Since he hadn't raced AFM (they recognized the AMA license) he started from the back. This was at the old sears which he was real familiar with. We take the warmers off, they grid. He's about 5th by turn 7. At the exit of 11 he crashes just as he was taking the lead. Why? Cold track and the slicks cooled off. The run down the back of sears from 8A to 11 was real fast and with the exception of 9 you weren't heeled in that much.
 
Years ago my friend Steve (an old AMA guy) was loaned a 250 GP bike to race at one of the AFM races. Starting position at AFM was based on your last races finishing positions. Since he hadn't raced AFM (they recognized the AMA license) he started from the back. This was at the old sears which he was real familiar with. We take the warmers off, they grid. He's about 5th by turn 7. At the exit of 11 he crashes just as he was taking the lead. Why? Cold track and the slicks cooled off. The run down the back of sears from 8A to 11 was real fast and with the exception of 9 you weren't heeled in that much.

Makes absolute sense. The reason I had asked initially is that I believed the compound on these slicks was the same as the normal dot Sc3 tire which does not require warmers. If they were the same compound then it would makes sense that they would work without warmers
 
At the track the gain in contact patch would undeniably be beneficial. My argument was if the compounds are the same then it would be just fine to utilize on the street. After learning potential differences in the layering of the compound I now have my questioned answered.


Most product descriptions I have seen listed the fact that the SC3 compound doesn’t require warmers.

I thought you were interested in this because of the aspect ratio? 🤔

We were Interested in the 200/65 WSBK profile that’s exclusive to the Pirelli Diablo Superbike slick. This would provide a greater contact patch than your typical 200/60 profile tire.

Either way, do you realize the knock on effects of the 200/65 tire?

I love how the a clear answer to this ridiculous question is a resounding No but there are people trying to warp reality to make this work
 
To starbucks then with the tire sizes painted white and the chicken strips sanded off

This is a ridiculous thread for sure, slicks on the street is ego driven ........ with minimal gains unless you are riding like a certified idiot.

Key word is if there “aren’t any negatives”. That’s the point, the question was can it be done safely and without compromise. The question was answered hours ago by someone significantly more insightful than you. No need to throw you insecurities out towards others. This should be a place where Ducati lovers can share their biased opinions on potentially controversial topics without ridicule.
 
Key word is if there “aren’t any negatives”. That’s the point, the question was can it be done safely and without compromise. The question was answered hours ago by someone significantly more insightful than you. No need to throw you insecurities out towards others. This should be a place where Ducati lovers can share their biased opinions on potentially controversial topics without ridicule.

Yeah Paul G, stop throwing your insecurities around, like some sort of giant insecurity tossing lunatic!

Although, I for one, come here to have my biased opinions ridiculed, and would become insecure if they weren't. Imagine, how I would feel!

We're not all the same, and if we were, then we'd be somewhere else, talking to others, who were like us, but not us, but being the same as us, they are us. Never look in the true mirror, without a latte, just to prove, who the real you is, or isn't.
 
Were you asking about the SC or SP?

Pirelli’s product segmentation and naming needs some work.

Omg yes. Trying to talk about Pirelli to friends is like - Rosso 4 super Diablo sc sp v38 corsas are great tires.......
 
Today at Mugello, we're getting cranky in the box because yesterday Spring showers on-off on - off all fking day. You couldn't set anything up right. We rode a single glorious hour yesterday. Mind you guys are coming from really far away. 6 hour drives. 13 hours drives from other countries. Spending I don't know what to be here.
So finally our group goes out. I'm 3rd in line, some buddies behind me.

We rip down the meter wide cone section out pit lane and down the straight trying to get a little heat build up and slow way down for the first turn San Donato.
The guy in front of me on a nice BMW decked out in the latest, cruising up to the turn at about 45mph. (That's really slow)

-BIFF- slide - parts everywhere.

He leaned like 30 degrees and washed out.
Red flags, track closed.
Oil is all over the track.

Back to pit lane.

Everyone loves this guy who went out without tire warmers. Everyone spent at least $1000 for this day and the track is now closed because one A-Hole thinks, I'll go out without tire warmers and scrub-in some heat braking hard and BIFF.

The info that "it's the same compound on the shoulder." I don't know. That sounds like crazy to me. Marketing .........
I ran Rosso Corsa III on the track and after one session they were done. Plenty of tread but they get cooked hard and in casual street riding after I was sliding all over the place. They're just done. They can't handle getting that hot more than a few times. Recycled.
I've got SC's I rode last half of 2022 on track hitting 300kph, they sat all winter and now 2 session at Mugello yesterday and today. Just fine.

I had diner with a Pirelli track guy last night and a bunch of racers and instructors. The Pirelli management were asking him how they can sell more tires. The conversation was about costs getting insane and the complexities of understanding what's going to work best. People are quitting the sport because of it. There are a lot of compromises made trying to provide the highest possible performance which is impossible in every situation with the same product. Some products have overlapping abilities but the very highest performing products have the narrowest band width of use and set up. When you go slightly outside the situation OR set up required for top performance products, you are pretty much guaranteed to throw your bike into the trees. Tire pressure, pavement temperature, pavement texture, humidity, heat soaking temp and time before use, kinetic input consistency, warm-up routine, & riding input. Am I forgetting anything? At the top level race products, if one of those is too out of scope, yard sale.

There is a lot to learn and you can never stop learning in this sport. The more performance you go the more you have to study and ask around and get instruction on from the most top people you can find. Not whomever. I would never trust a marketing blurb or even a single source of info on a piece of equipment that my life is sitting on.
Try stuff but know the risk and the situation; realize you will absolutely hit unknowns so you better have some plan B's. As in, wait for screaming hot summer, go up the canyon on you slicks, round a corner and find a puddle, or some car oil... what you got for that?
 
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Mugello looks fun. And pretty technical. All the european tracks look fun. I'm envious. Before the widespread use of tire warmers saturday morning first session always somebody. I struggle with the use of electronics. Good yes is the average rider safer yes. And kids in jeans chewing up the edges. Oil, antifreeze the electronics isn't going to save you. Slicks will only assure you're going faster when you crash. Muscle memory here is your best friend and if you ain't got none. Tire cost, good discussion for pirelli to have. When a pair of tires costs almost as much as four for the pick-up.
 
Out on track for three days at Portimao next week.....or real world as I believe its called?:cool:

if it helps, running Pirelli super bike slicks SC1 F and R ...although I do have a SC3 rear to try too. 3 days will probably get through 1 1/2 front and two rears........or circa 750 pounds!!
 
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Today at Mugello, we're getting cranky in the box because yesterday Spring showers on-off on - off all fking day. You couldn't set anything up right. We rode a single glorious hour yesterday. Mind you guys are coming from really far away. 6 hour drives. 13 hours drives from other countries. Spending I don't know what to be here.
So finally our group goes out. I'm 3rd in line, some buddies behind me.

We rip down the meter wide cone section out pit lane and down the straight trying to get a little heat build up and slow way down for the first turn San Donato.
The guy in front of me on a nice BMW decked out in the latest, cruising up to the turn at about 45mph. (That's really slow)

-BIFF- slide - parts everywhere.

He leaned like 30 degrees and washed out.
Red flags, track closed.
Oil is all over the track.

Back to pit lane.

Everyone loves this guy who went out without tire warmers. Everyone spent at least $1000 for this day and the track is now closed because one A-Hole thinks, I'll go out without tire warmers and scrub-in some heat braking hard and BIFF.

The info that "it's the same compound on the shoulder." I don't know. That sounds like crazy to me. Marketing .........
I ran Rosso Corsa III on the track and after one session they were done. Plenty of tread but they get cooked hard and in casual street riding after I was sliding all over the place. They're just done. They can't handle getting that hot more than a few times. Recycled.
I've got SC's I rode last half of 2022 on track hitting 300kph, they sat all winter and now 2 session at Mugello yesterday and today. Just fine.

I had diner with a Pirelli track guy last night and a bunch of racers and instructors. The Pirelli management were asking him how they can sell more tires. The conversation was about costs getting insane and the complexities of understanding what's going to work best. People are quitting the sport because of it. There are a lot of compromises made trying to provide the highest possible performance which is impossible in every situation with the same product. Some products have overlapping abilities but the very highest performing products have the narrowest band width of use and set up. When you go slightly outside the situation OR set up required for top performance products, you are pretty much guaranteed to throw your bike into the trees. Tire pressure, pavement temperature, pavement texture, humidity, heat soaking temp and time before use, kinetic input consistency, warm-up routine, & riding input. Am I forgetting anything? At the top level race products, if one of those is too out of scope, yard sale.

There is a lot to learn and you can never stop learning in this sport. The more performance you go the more you have to study and ask around and get instruction on from the most top people you can find. Not whomever. I would never trust a marketing blurb or even a single source of info on a piece of equipment that my life is sitting on.
Try stuff but know the risk and the situation; realize you will absolutely hit unknowns so you better have some plan B's. As in, wait for screaming hot summer, go up the canyon on you slicks, round a corner and find a puddle, or some car oil... what you got for that?

Well said. QFT.
 
Watching that makes me wonder what the GP's and WSBK are going to do about the ducati's. Looks like when the 2 strokes showed up. Don't bother to draft just motor by. More chicanes? Add weight? I think why ducati has had recent GP success, besides the 30 extra hp (and everyone said that desmo stuff had no advantage) is the engineering that's going into the carbon fiber fork tubes. Stiff during braking, then layered flexure down the length of the tube on the sides. Probably as a function of fork extension. Wonder how long until we start to see commercial use.
 

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