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29k to rebuild a motor?
I'd start looking for a salvage/wreck and take the block from it.
I'd start looking for a salvage/wreck and take the block from it.
R Engine Failure - Warranty Denied
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Well the repair bill came back at 29k because of the high cost of replacement parts. You all know the drill. If you built the R from the parts fiche it would be a 100k bike. For example, each rod bolt was ~250$, each rod was something like 1500$. The piston was pressed into the side of the sleeve, so everything there needed replacing. I think the dealer estimated 24 hours of labor to repair it all.
It's just sad that the people out there representing the company on the tracks/races are the ones having the problems, and Ducati turns their backs. I would think a one time replacement would be in order. "We will ship you a new engine this once, if it happens again you're on your own".
Even the pay to play argument doesn't work - he bought the most expensive Panigale they made at the time to try and avoid engine problems...
It's just sad that the people out there representing the company on the tracks/races are the ones having the problems, and Ducati turns their backs. I would think a one time replacement would be in order. "We will ship you a new engine this once, if it happens again you're on your own".
Even the pay to play argument doesn't work - he bought the most expensive Panigale they made at the time to try and avoid engine problems...
I understand that the internet is the place that you will overwhelmingly hear the bad news, but these continual issues over 2 years after the model launch are just ridiculous. My affinity for the brand has definitely taken a hit with this thread, because of EvoL's last statement - I agree completely.
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Yeah, build it better with aftermarket parts that are cheaper.
I had a friend pop an 848 motor on the track and the dealer handled it anyway, while telling him that anything else was on him. When getting into the gray area your relationship with the dealer is what is going to make the difference. But, I wouldn't expect them to do much. I would guess it comes down more to how they are going to get a warranty reimbursement from Ducati than anything.
I had a friend pop an 848 motor on the track and the dealer handled it anyway, while telling him that anything else was on him. When getting into the gray area your relationship with the dealer is what is going to make the difference. But, I wouldn't expect them to do much. I would guess it comes down more to how they are going to get a warranty reimbursement from Ducati than anything.
If it does go all bad I would suggest buying a base model engine on ebay and building an R motor. Ben Fox can balance a non R crank like an R, Pankl Ti rods are just as good and a third of the cost of the OE ones. Just saying you could build a nice blue printed SBK engine reasonably.
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Parking a bike and praying isn't insurance fraud....
Now, calling one of your boys to take it and dump it in the Hudson is another story.
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You're still out 8k easy on that build. At that point I would say .... it and just buy a new R engine and sell the thing.
On the BMW S1000RR thing, they will also void your warranty for racing as far as I know. Who knows if they will help you out though, that's still yet to be seen
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Dude I was being facetious, ( I know that's a big word for you). I didn't know rates could be retarded, I knew they could be high because people are retarded but that's a new take.
Your rates are high cause you live in Jersey
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But that's the nature of the business. I wouldn't expect Ducati, BMW, or anyone else to warrant a vehicle that is used for racing. Push any motor to its design limits and sooner or later something will break.
Akillya/Rod is right - for racing, you find a good engine builder and you go over the motor *before* you get on the track. When I raced my 750ss the motor was taken apart down to splitting the cases and had things like done like Falicon rebuild the crank, Carillo rods, aftermarket pistons, etc. by someone here in the southeast with a reputation for building strong, reliable motors (John Hoffman @ Cycle Specialties). Everything done with the idea that the motor was going to be pushed.
YRC wouldn't warrant anything at any point - even the first time you fired up before it ever hit the track (though to be fair you received extra cranks, pistons, cylinders etc. as part of the package).
Sympathies for your friend. But when you go racing, you need to depend on yourself rather than the factory to prevent a DNF.
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May be this is not the place, but how can Ducati stay in business with the amount of issues we read about?
I've been fortunate (knock on wood), but in the last 3 months I've had 6 buddies go over to BMW because of issues including Evol.
You are actually writing a reply on your question here. The Ducati issues you read about(and will in the future). The BMW issues you do not read about. But I can assure you, that BMW has had bigger issues and recals with the S1000RR, than the Panigale.
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That's debatable. Destroying motors because the bolts holding rods to the crank weren't torqued properly and can back out is a big deal but so is an improperly torqued swing arm pivot or the starter reduction shaft backing out and seizing/grenading the engine.
Both bikes have had some pretty bad recalls.
That said it's not really a pissing contest about who sucks less. At the end of the day all of the issues are unacceptable.
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point is, if ducati is aware of a bolt coming loose in the field, and they do a redesign on it, then have a customer with an engine that blew up, just because of that and end up denying a warranty claim (no matter the riding circumstances) it's poor business IMHO.
then i rather have a recall and parts / replacements taken care of instead of blowing up the engine...
then i rather have a recall and parts / replacements taken care of instead of blowing up the engine...
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speaking of: here's an explosion view of the SL engine:
Ducati 1199 Superleggera: Geile 3D Animation des Superquadro Motors
Ducati 1199 Superleggera: Geile 3D Animation des Superquadro Motors
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May be this is not the place, but how can Ducati stay in business with the amount of issues we read about?
I've been fortunate (knock on wood), but in the last 3 months I've had 6 buddies go over to BMW because of issues including Evol.
thats because your buddies want the better bike not just being vein for looks
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here we go dont address the problem by ducati just say bmw has problems too. this isnt a bmw thread. its an engine failure thread on the flagship production bike by ducati. yet you dont want to address it just say that bmw might have more problems also.
to the other guy guess what ducati is german too you know the volkswagan group audi Porsche.
This. The OP said the R blew its motor on a track day. Frankly, if you're an expert-level rider on a track day, you're stressing the motor as hard as you would on a race weekend, if not harder.
In my case, during a track-ride-only weekend I'll stress the motor harder than anything but an endurance race. I'll do 20-30 minute sessions 6 times a day for 2-3 days straight. Compare that with the typical 3-4 x 15-minute practice sessions and 4-5 x 6-lap sprint races at a race meet. Since I don't race any more, I'll usually back off the pace about 2 seconds, but during a few sessions, with my buddies on track and feeling feisty, we'll be at it hammer and tongs.
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My feelings also. Track days are really no different from racing, its all in the mindset. I would also bet that track day only bikes for the vast majority aren't maintained as well as race bikes because "its only a track day".
FWIW - This has nothing to do with BMW vs Panigale to me. I couldn't care less which one people think is better or worse. I am simply hoping someone from Ducati will see this thread and decide to do the right thing.
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Wow... My R is a dedicated track bike and the only reason for buying it was to get more engine reliability for track. Wow - this is very concerning and disenchanting to read.
I have had engine oil misting from the valve cover(s) and coolant leaking on the left after this long weekend's trackday and this kind of .... is really beginning to bug me.
For this kind of $$$ tag, we deserve better.
I have had engine oil misting from the valve cover(s) and coolant leaking on the left after this long weekend's trackday and this kind of .... is really beginning to bug me.
For this kind of $$$ tag, we deserve better.
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