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Stw said:
...and what do you see??
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I guess because my series is basically BMW S1000 's and Panigales and your racing guys at your level you can see where some bikes are going to dominate in some areas and lack in others .
On a long straight the BMW is hard to beat but time can be certainly made up in the corners on the Ducati if the bike is set up well .
Of course a lot depends on the rider but the Panigale is certainly better on a more technical track than a high speed track and we can see the difference from track to track .
 
wilkson said:
I guess because my series is basically BMW S1000 's and Panigales and your racing guys at your level you can see where some bikes are going to dominate in some areas and lack in others .
On a long straight the BMW is hard to beat but time can be certainly made up in the corners on the Ducati if the bike is set up well .
Of course a lot depends on the rider but the Panigale is certainly better on a more technical track than a high speed track and we can see the difference from track to track .
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Great info...Thx... Street "racing" I find the same...straights I have no hope..corners are better..
 
wilkson said:
You see in my form of racing it's more about the rider than the bike .
I race a Pani because I like to ride a Ducati . I get to see real world differences between the BMW and Ducati other than what is written or a dyno graph will show .
You got to get past what you see WSBK teams doing . Bikes are made for ordinary Joes like you and me and what you can do with it .
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i will tell you first hand and i will have an hp4 shortly thus having both bikes. i will give a fair review and comparison. Just remember don't misconstrue what i say on here people. I ACTUALLY OWN work on ride and love my ducati 1199 panigale S. the difference here is i CAN AND DO state all the faults with ducati as a brand and the 1199 as a bike. you have to be crazy in my opinion to say this bike isn't flawed or is the best bike out. lets be serious the 1198 is a better bike and the engine and design is old now. hell if i bought say an r8 and it was a piece of .... you bet i would feel bad to say its a piece of ..... thats what is happening with the ducati. nobody except a few on here will say that the bike is MAJORLY flawed except a few. most of you on here know deep down the bike doesn't live up to what you thought it would be, especially if you had a previous model of ducati. you know it isn't the best or most economical choice far from it as a matter of fact. However the drones will defend till death. nothing wrong with loving your bike. it looks fantastic second to none. but admit its flawed. it was from day one and still is. those few that do state the obvious flaws and probems get chastised like a conservative on MSNBC. which means the conservative is more than likely right (correct).
 
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kickarsmann said:
Thanks! thats the kind of answer I was looking for. Did you finance it through Ducati or personal credit union? If through Ducati, what rate did you get?
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I know this question was directed to another member, but I financed through my local credit union for 1.99% for both my S and R.
 
White13Pani said:
I know this question was directed to another member, but I financed through my local credit union for 1.99% for both my S and R.
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good answer white pani. i give you a thanks to that response to pad your thanks record as we are only giving thanks to each other now.
 
mark419ny said:
i will tell you first hand. i will have an hp4 shortly and the pani. don't misconstrue what i say on here people. I OWN and love my ducati 1199 panigale S. i love to ride it. the difference here is i CAN AND DO state all the faults with ducati as a brand and the 1199 as a bike. you have to be crazy in my opinion to say this bike isn't flawed or is the best bike out. lets be serious the 1198 is a better bike and the engine and design is old now. hell if i bought say an r8 and it was a piece of .... you bet i would feel bad to say its a piece of ..... thats what is happening with the ducati. nobody except a few on here will say that the bike is MAJORLY flawed except a few. most of you on here know deep down the bike doesn't live up to what you thought it would be, especially if you had a previous model of ducati. you know it isn't the best or most economical choice far from it as a matter of fact. However the drones will defend till death. nothing wrong with loving your bike. it looks fantastic second to none. but admit its flawed. it was from day one and still is. those few that do state the obvious flaws and probems get chastised like a conservative on MSNBC. which means the conservative is more than likely right (correct).
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I guess I have many bikes and all of them have been flawed I just don't get caught up in it like you .
You will calm down after owning a few bikes and realise there isn't a perfect one out there .
If the bike is majorly flawed why don't you just sell it that's what I would do this is the part I don't get .

What is the major flaw ?
 
wilkson said:
I guess I have many bikes and all of them have been flawed I just don't get caught up in it like you .
You will calm down after owning a few bikes and realise there isn't a perfect one out there .
If the bike is majorly flawed why don't you just sell it that's what I would do this is the part I don't get .

What is the major flaw ?
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oh that post will be very very long on the flaws of MY particular bike. as i said many times 22k for mine and i will sell it. ill give you 2 quick ones.

who designs a bike (race bike no less) where you can't view your oil and you can't see your coolant level? how on earth does that happen seriously. the rest that has personally happened to me is way to long and tiresome to repeat.
 
mark419ny said:
oh that post will be very very long on the flaws of MY particular bike. as i said many times 22k for mine and i will sell it. ill give you 2 quick ones.

who designs a bike (race bike no less) where you can't view your oil and you can't see your coolant level? how on earth does that happen seriously. the rest that has personally happened to me is way to long and tiresome to repeat.
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That's it . That's not a major flaw .
 
wilkson said:
That's it . That's not a major flaw .
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no thats just 2 quick design flaws. do you really want the list of mine. i don't feel like listing them all.

here is another how do you design the lower fairing where it melts from the stock exhaust . another problem is how i have to call ducati NA to get the proper service from my stealership. they say no i call ducati NA and then they say oh we didn't understand right or you were right or we didn't know. the list is long but distinguished.
 
mark419ny said:
i will tell you first hand and i will have an hp4 shortly thus having both bikes. i will give a fair review and comparison. Just remember don't misconstrue what i say on here people. I ACTUALLY OWN work on ride and love my ducati 1199 panigale S. the difference here is i CAN AND DO state all the faults with ducati as a brand and the 1199 as a bike. you have to be crazy in my opinion to say this bike isn't flawed or is the best bike out. lets be serious the 1198 is a better bike and the engine and design is old now. hell if i bought say an r8 and it was a piece of .... you bet i would feel bad to say its a piece of ..... thats what is happening with the ducati. nobody except a few on here will say that the bike is MAJORLY flawed except a few. most of you on here know deep down the bike doesn't live up to what you thought it would be, especially if you had a previous model of ducati. you know it isn't the best or most economical choice far from it as a matter of fact. However the drones will defend till death. nothing wrong with loving your bike. it looks fantastic second to none. but admit its flawed. it was from day one and still is. those few that do state the obvious flaws and probems get chastised like a conservative on MSNBC. which means the conservative is more than likely right (correct).
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No I won,t have that, there is a place down in London that is much worse. Quote from the Major in Fawlty Towers.

Brad the one eyed Ducati 1199 fan.:D
 
mark419ny said:
oh that post will be very very long on the flaws of MY particular bike. as i said many times 22k for mine and i will sell it. ill give you 2 quick ones.

who designs a bike (race bike no less) where you can't view your oil and you can't see your coolant level? how on earth does that happen seriously. the rest that has personally happened to me is way to long and tiresome to repeat.
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You initially stated the Panigale (as in the design of the bike) is flawed, but now it seems you backpedaled to your specific bike. Do you believe all or most Panigale owners are experiencing the same issues? I'm curious because I'm thinking about making a purchase so I just lurk here from time to time to read what owners are saying. I understand it's common for an owner to state a particular make/model of car or bike is junk because they're frustrated with issues they experienced when they purchased one.
 
Eleven 99 said:
You initially stated the Panigale (as in the design of the bike) is flawed, but now it seems you backpedaled to your specific bike. Do you believe all or most Panigale owners are experiencing the same issues? I'm curious because I'm thinking about making a purchase so I just lurk here from time to time to read what owners are saying. I understand it's common for an owner to state a particular make/model of car or bike is junk because they're frustrated with issues they experienced when they purchased one.
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backpedaling no. the design of the bike was thought out fully half way. do i think the majority of people are experiencing the problems. YES i do. will the majority say its not a big deal of course cause they are kool aide drinkers.

here is a nice short list of what i feel are problems.

2 hours to change coolant which you cant see the level cause the window is opaque

2 hours to change the oil.

2 hours to change the wind screen.

melting lower left fairing

horn and signals not working above 200 degrees F

bolts flying off and not loctite from factory

heat issues.

pay 25 k for a bike you instantly need a new seat

clear coat paint failure.

most stealerships dont know about the service bulletins

fogging dash board which leaves water spots on the dash then ducati says thats normal.

original gearing is terrible so unless you get the R the 41 sprocket is an immediate upgrade.

best looking yet most expensive bike that does nothing better than the competition.

read this thread if you want a true opinion of this bike and not a kool aide drinking ducatisti

http://ducati1199.com/ride-reports/15702-if-i-knew-then-what-i-know-now.html

almost forgot you still cant legally get a shop manual from ducati on this bike yet they are available online if you need one
 
mark419ny said:
backpedaling no. the design of the bike was thought out fully half way. do i think the majority of people are experiencing the problems. YES i do. will the majority say its not a big deal of course cause they are kool aide drinkers.

here is a nice short list of what i feel are problems.

2 hours to change coolant which you cant see the level cause the window is opaque

2 hours to change the oil.

2 hours to change the wind screen.

melting lower left fairing

horn and signals not working above 200 degrees F

bolts flying off and not loctite from factory

heat issues.

pay 25 k for a bike you instantly need a new seat

clear coat paint failure.

most stealerships dont know about the service bulletins

fogging dash board which leaves water spots on the dash then ducati says thats normal.

original gearing is terrible so unless you get the R the 41 sprocket is an immediate upgrade.

best looking yet most expensive bike that does nothing better than the competition.

read this thread if you want a true opinion of this bike and not a kool aide drinking ducatisti

http://ducati1199.com/ride-reports/15702-if-i-knew-then-what-i-know-now.html

almost forgot you still cant legally get a shop manual from ducati on this bike yet they are available online if you need one
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The succinct response to this is that not all of the frustrations you admit to are universally shared by all Panigale owners. This may not be the best bike for you, but for many others this bike is above and beyond the competition. You're showing your hand in making biased statements like the Panigale does nothing better than any of the competition. A five minute back to back ride can pretty much render that false.
 
Duck41 said:
The succinct response to this is that not all of the frustrations you admit to are universally shared by all Panigale owners. This may not be the best bike for you, but for many others this bike is above and beyond the competition. You're showing your hand in making biased statements like the Panigale does nothing better than any of the competition. A five minute back to back ride can pretty much render that false.
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again kool aid drinker not just me the pros say it too. it does nothing better than the comp at a higher price than all of them maybe watch and learn. oh yea professional review means nothing but if it said the R was the best bike you would be touting it all over. if you dont want to watch the whole thing just grab your tissues and skip to 14:20 the ducati does nothing better than the hp4 or the aprillia rsv4 and does it for thousands more. if vanity is a priority then pick the ducati if you want a well rounded superbike pick something else. NEXT EXCUSE PLEASE

Class of 2013 Shootout! Panigale R vs HP4 vs F4RR vs RSV4 vs ZX-10R vs RC8R - On Two Wheels Ep 35 - YouTube
 
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I have the oddest feelings with regards to the 1199.... Its undoubtedly the most flawed bike I have ever owned...Not unreliable as such...But performance isn't stellar.. Clutch slave problem is infuriating...Dash issue was/is disappointing... resale is awful.. Etc Etc
But..I love this bike more than any bike I have ever owned... I cannot explain this but its true...
 
Stw said:
I have the oddest feelings with regards to the 1199.... Its undoubtedly the most flawed bike I have ever owned...Not unreliable as such...But performance isn't stellar.. Clutch slave problem is infuriating...Dash issue was/is disappointing... resale is awful.. Etc Etc
But..I love this bike more than any bike I have ever owned... I cannot explain this but its true...
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ahh steve this is the perfect answer. as you my friend are wise beyond your years even though i dont know how old you are. as this is exactly how i feel. i do love to ride the bike when it works or isnt in the shop. i love how it looks all i am saying and have been saying is its not worth the money nor is it the best bike out nor is it worth the money.
 
mark419ny said:
again kool aid drinker not just me the pros say it too. it does nothing better than the comp at a higher price than all of them maybe watch and learn. oh yea professional review means nothing but if it said the R was the best bike you would be touting it all over. if you dont want to watch the whole thing just grab your tissues and skip to 14:20 the ducati does nothing better than the hp4 or the aprillia rsv4 and does it for thousands more.

Class of 2013 Shootout! Panigale R vs HP4 vs F4RR vs RSV4 vs ZX-10R vs RC8R - On Two Wheels Ep 35 - YouTube
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I don't believe you're comprehending the underlying point here. Do you typically allow your opinions to be dictated by others? Reviews are great for entertainment purposes, but when it comes to the needs and wants of individual riders, it's best to independently assess how a bike satisfies your requirements. I've ridden every major manufacturer liter bike available and feel the Panigale's brakes, traction control, and handling are second to none.
 
mark419ny said:
i love how it looks all i am saying and have been saying is its not worth the money nor is it the best bike out nor is it worth the money.
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Clarification: it's not the best bike out there for your needs. Worth is entirely subjective; it seems, based on ownership numbers, many would disagree with your assessment.
 
mark419ny said:
backpedaling no. the design of the bike was thought out fully half way. do i think the majority of people are experiencing the problems. YES i do. will the majority say its not a big deal of course cause they are kool aide drinkers.

here is a nice short list of what i feel are problems.

2 hours to change coolant which you cant see the level cause the window is opaque

2 hours to change the oil.

2 hours to change the wind screen.

melting lower left fairing

horn and signals not working above 200 degrees F

bolts flying off and not loctite from factory

heat issues.

pay 25 k for a bike you instantly need a new seat

clear coat paint failure.

most stealerships dont know about the service bulletins

fogging dash board which leaves water spots on the dash then ducati says thats normal.

original gearing is terrible so unless you get the R the 41 sprocket is an immediate upgrade.

best looking yet most expensive bike that does nothing better than the competition.

read this thread if you want a true opinion of this bike and not a kool aide drinking ducatisti

http://ducati1199.com/ride-reports/15702-if-i-knew-then-what-i-know-now.html

almost forgot you still cant legally get a shop manual from ducati on this bike yet they are available online if you need one
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Not easy to change the plugs either, but what else do you have to do in the winter? Mark - 2 hours - WHO CARES?. As for the melting, fogging, loose bolts, VERY rare. My dealer has never seen them. Turn signal issues were fixed with a wire. The sprocket change is a matter of opinion, but Ducati covered it. Why do you care about a manual if you don't like spending 2 hours working on your bike? Lastly, Ducati offered 3 seats, no other manufacturer does, that's why it came with the stock so you could choose. You should list all the Pros if you are listing cons, only fair. :)
 
XIXCIX said:
When I will when you do....
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Lets keep this civil guys..Please!!... We all have the "Ignore " feature..so use it as you see fit..other wise unless someones posts constitute personal attacks/or just insulting/rude... then I feel members can posts their opinions freely here....

Everyone knows Marks opinions ..so if you see a post from him you have your choice to read it..or not...

So lets keep it bike related... :)
 

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