R Owners, how much did you pay for yours?

Duck41 said:

The succinct response to this is that not all of the frustrations you admit to are universally shared by all Panigale owners. This may not be the best bike for you, but for many others this bike is above and beyond the competition. You're showing your hand in making biased statements like the Panigale does nothing better than any of the competition. A five minute back to back ride can pretty much render that false.

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again kool aid drinker not just me the pros say it too. it does nothing better than the comp at a higher price than all of them maybe watch and learn. oh yea professional review means nothing but if it said the R was the best bike you would be touting it all over. if you dont want to watch the whole thing just grab your tissues and skip to 14:20 the ducati does nothing better than the hp4 or the aprillia rsv4 and does it for thousands more. if vanity is a priority then pick the ducati if you want a well rounded superbike pick something else. NEXT EXCUSE PLEASE

Class of 2013 Shootout! Panigale R vs HP4 vs F4RR vs RSV4 vs ZX-10R vs RC8R - On Two Wheels Ep 35 - YouTube

I have the oddest feelings with regards to the 1199.... Its undoubtedly the most flawed bike I have ever owned...Not unreliable as such...But performance isn't stellar.. Clutch slave problem is infuriating...Dash issue was/is disappointing... resale is awful.. Etc Etc
But..I love this bike more than any bike I have ever owned... I cannot explain this but its true...

Stw said:

I have the oddest feelings with regards to the 1199.... Its undoubtedly the most flawed bike I have ever owned...Not unreliable as such...But performance isn't stellar.. Clutch slave problem is infuriating...Dash issue was/is disappointing... resale is awful.. Etc Etc
But..I love this bike more than any bike I have ever owned... I cannot explain this but its true...

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ahh steve this is the perfect answer. as you my friend are wise beyond your years even though i dont know how old you are. as this is exactly how i feel. i do love to ride the bike when it works or isnt in the shop. i love how it looks all i am saying and have been saying is its not worth the money nor is it the best bike out nor is it worth the money.

mark419ny said:

again kool aid drinker not just me the pros say it too. it does nothing better than the comp at a higher price than all of them maybe watch and learn. oh yea professional review means nothing but if it said the R was the best bike you would be touting it all over. if you dont want to watch the whole thing just grab your tissues and skip to 14:20 the ducati does nothing better than the hp4 or the aprillia rsv4 and does it for thousands more.

Class of 2013 Shootout! Panigale R vs HP4 vs F4RR vs RSV4 vs ZX-10R vs RC8R - On Two Wheels Ep 35 - YouTube

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I don't believe you're comprehending the underlying point here. Do you typically allow your opinions to be dictated by others? Reviews are great for entertainment purposes, but when it comes to the needs and wants of individual riders, it's best to independently assess how a bike satisfies your requirements. I've ridden every major manufacturer liter bike available and feel the Panigale's brakes, traction control, and handling are second to none.

mark419ny said:

i love how it looks all i am saying and have been saying is its not worth the money nor is it the best bike out nor is it worth the money.

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Clarification: it's not the best bike out there for your needs. Worth is entirely subjective; it seems, based on ownership numbers, many would disagree with your assessment.

mark419ny said:

please use the ignore button or shut up

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I will when you do....

mark419ny said:

backpedaling no. the design of the bike was thought out fully half way. do i think the majority of people are experiencing the problems. YES i do. will the majority say its not a big deal of course cause they are kool aide drinkers.

here is a nice short list of what i feel are problems.

2 hours to change coolant which you cant see the level cause the window is opaque

2 hours to change the oil.

2 hours to change the wind screen.

melting lower left fairing

horn and signals not working above 200 degrees F

bolts flying off and not loctite from factory

heat issues.

pay 25 k for a bike you instantly need a new seat

clear coat paint failure.

most stealerships dont know about the service bulletins

fogging dash board which leaves water spots on the dash then ducati says thats normal.

original gearing is terrible so unless you get the R the 41 sprocket is an immediate upgrade.

best looking yet most expensive bike that does nothing better than the competition.

read this thread if you want a true opinion of this bike and not a kool aide drinking ducatisti

http://ducati1199.com/ride-reports/15702-if-i-knew-then-what-i-know-now.html

almost forgot you still cant legally get a shop manual from ducati on this bike yet they are available online if you need one

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Not easy to change the plugs either, but what else do you have to do in the winter? Mark - 2 hours - WHO CARES?. As for the melting, fogging, loose bolts, VERY rare. My dealer has never seen them. Turn signal issues were fixed with a wire. The sprocket change is a matter of opinion, but Ducati covered it. Why do you care about a manual if you don't like spending 2 hours working on your bike? Lastly, Ducati offered 3 seats, no other manufacturer does, that's why it came with the stock so you could choose. You should list all the Pros if you are listing cons, only fair.

XIXCIX said:

When I will when you do....

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Lets keep this civil guys..Please!!... We all have the "Ignore " feature..so use it as you see fit..other wise unless someones posts constitute personal attacks/or just insulting/rude... then I feel members can posts their opinions freely here....

Everyone knows Marks opinions ..so if you see a post from him you have your choice to read it..or not...

So lets keep it bike related...

Stw said:

Lets keep this civil guys..Please!!... We all have the "Ignore " feature..so use it as you see fit..other wise unless someones posts constitute personal attacks/or just insulting/rude... then I feel members can posts their opinions freely here....

Everyone knows Marks opinions ..so if you see a post from him you have your choice to read it..or not...

So lets keep it bike related...

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It would be easier to rename this thread 'Another ranting by Mark"

Stw said:

Lets keep this civil guys..Please!!... We all have the "Ignore " feature..so use it as you see fit..other wise unless someones posts constitute personal attacks/or just insulting/rude... then I feel members can posts their opinions freely here....

Everyone knows Marks opinions ..so if you see a post from him you have your choice to read it..or not...

So lets keep it bike related...

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Did that a few days ago.

Is there any way to totally delete when people post ? It still shows up as a "Hidden" message when he posts. Any way to not even show that more than just clicking ignore ?

Thanks !

NOLA

NOLA said:

Did that a few days ago.

Is there any way to totally delete when people post ? It still shows up as a "Hidden" message when he posts. Any way to not even show that more than just clicking ignore ?

Thanks !

NOLA

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No sir...

Just to throw a little objectivity (and so mark is prepared when he comes to the "dark side"). I posted the issues I experienced with my 2013 HP4. It's not perfect but acceptable for me.

False neutrals will drive someone insane. I overcome them by telling my bike to do what I ....... want. But if a person isn't assertive with the shifting, they may have issues. Especially while new and / or on the track (g forces affecting shifting in corners).

On the 2014 the issue with the combo switches should be resolved. But I've had the rhs replaced under warranty and the lhs is waiting till scheduled maintenance in 2014. BMW believes they've solved it with the newest manufacturer since if one goes out, they replace both.

"Loctite" translates to German about as well as it does to Italian. I've got a rattle that's definitely loctite related but don't feel like searching for myself. The dealer is going to find it next service.

The grass isn't greener on any side. Just a different patch of grass. I, personally, like my patch of grass. I even love the headlights. Or rather I love when someone who knows nothing about the bike realizes the asymmetry continues down the sides. The look is unique and I love it. I love the bike, issues and all. If you don't love your bike, quit bullshitting and buy what you will love.

Trauma said:

Not easy to change the plugs either, but what else do you have to do in the winter? Mark - 2 hours - WHO CARES?. As for the melting, fogging, loose bolts, VERY rare. My dealer has never seen them. Turn signal issues were fixed with a wire. The sprocket change is a matter of opinion, but Ducati covered it. Why do you care about a manual if you don't like spending 2 hours working on your bike? Lastly, Ducati offered 3 seats, no other manufacturer does, that's why it came with the stock so you could choose. You should list all the Pros if you are listing cons, only fair.

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pros

looks fantastic

Kuroshio said:

Just to throw a little objectivity (and so mark is prepared when he comes to the "dark side"). I posted the issues I experienced with my 2013 HP4. It's not perfect but acceptable for me.

False neutrals will drive someone insane. I overcome them by telling my bike to do what I ....... want. But if a person isn't assertive with the shifting, they may have issues. Especially while new and / or on the track (g forces affecting shifting in corners).

On the 2014 the issue with the combo switches should be resolved. But I've had the rhs replaced under warranty and the lhs is waiting till scheduled maintenance in 2014. BMW believes they've solved it with the newest manufacturer since if one goes out, they replace both.

"Loctite" translates to German about as well as it does to Italian. I've got a rattle that's definitely loctite related but don't feel like searching for myself. The dealer is going to find it next service.

The grass isn't greener on any side. Just a different patch of grass. I, personally, like my patch of grass. I even love the headlights. Or rather I love when someone who knows nothing about the bike realizes the asymmetry continues down the sides. The look is unique and I love it. I love the bike, issues and all. If you don't love your bike, quit bullshitting and buy what you will love.

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soon my man i am 3rd on the list

2 hours working on your bike? Lastly, Ducati offered 3 seats, no other manufacturer does, that's why it came with the stock so you could choose. You should list all the Pros if you are listing cons, only fair. [/QUOTE]


ducati offered 1 seat the other 2 you could buy thats not an offer. 2 hours when you have only 2 days in the summer time is a big deal. contrary to popular belief i actually have to work for my toys.

mark419ny said:

2 hours working on your bike? Lastly, Ducati offered 3 seats, no other manufacturer does, that's why it came with the stock so you could choose. You should list all the Pros if you are listing cons, only fair.

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ducati offered 1 seat the other 2 you could buy thats not an offer. 2 hours when you have only 2 days in the summer time is a big deal. contrary to popular belief i actually have to work for my toys.[/QUOTE]

As do I. It took me 3 hours to install an RG tail tidy (one of the first ones 6/2012), and loved every minute of it. This was the wrong bike for you. Take a picture of it, hang it in your garage, and sell the bike. That way will will have your only "Pro", and get rid of the Cons.

Mark do a quick Google search and see if you can find a bike that has no issues .
The bad news is there isn't . Maybe motorcycles are not for you .

Your complaints are laughable . I loved the windscreen complaint that was my favourite .

This thread has degenerated into something utterly pathetic.

*** NEWS FLASH *** There is NO perfect bike.

I mean, we can pretend there is... we can aspire to build/own/ride one... but it's about as real as Santa Clause, Leprechauns, and Hobbits.

Every bike will have its pros and cons. The reviews out there try to distill them down for you. At the end of the day their editors pressure them to choose the "best", and they will do so. The most expensive bike is not always the "best". But the "best" is only the "best" in the eyes of the beholder (because now we are in subjective territory).

There is a nearly intangible aspect of character that I love about exotic bikes. As others here have said - it will drive you insane; it will take special care and feeding; etc - but when you are on it and twisting your wrist with both fear and joy in your heart, you will know why you go through it all.

For anyone bitching and moaning about price and durability here, all I can assume is that you have not owned many bikes, and certainly not exotic ones. Try owning an MV Agusta some time and then get back to us. MV owners are not shy about the things they have go through (melting radiator fans were always my favorite - oh and temperatures of 250F!) but we always took it in stride because the joy of an MV was unparalleled.

Every bike is different. Some are very tame and predictable (most Jap bikes fall into this category), neither quirky nor exceptional - but performant. Some are full of quirks, character and "flaws" but pay you back in major ways on the other side of the bell curve.

One final note: To compare things is human. Stack ranking is the next logical expression of comparison, but it doesn't mean there should only be a single stack. In other words trying to stack rank bikes in "best" descending order is a fallacy. Compare them each on objective terms, such as features, HP, weight, etc, and they will all sort different. How it all comes to together, and which facets dominate others, is a very personal choice.

Trying to view bikes via a single stack rank is trying to view the world through a very small keyhole.

I would be curious to learn about Mark's experience and expertise. Afterall, if we are to be graced by his persistent contributions, it is only natural to wish to better understand the untapped knowledge to which we now have seemingly perpetual access. To what extent does this experience reach? I unfortunately have a feeling that if he considers spending two hours working on his bike every 3,000 miles both an inconvenience and a design flaw, he most likely hasn't put much effort or time into testing various offerings - but perhaps I'm mistaken and he has infact conducted enough comparison assessments to make outlandish condensed statements such as that the Panigale is not the "best" bike.

Mark, you seem eager to interject your opinions no matter the relevance (or lack thereof) they hold to the topic at hand; would you care to enlighten us on the comparison tests you have conducted, your explanation of what it means to be the best bike, and a brief synopsis correlating your comparison assessments to the conclusion you have drawn on the Panigale?

No offense intended (much), but Mark, WHAT THE F*** are you on this forum for? You epitomize a TROLL. Every time I sign on, I get to read more of your continual, never-relenting diatribe about what a POS the Panigale is, and how wonderful the BMW is. Point taken, okay? Go away please. You are like a constant, wet, stinking diaper. We ALL know how you feel AD NAUSEUM, please just go the F away. You and your Beemer buddies can give each other a nice tongue bath if that's your thing, but for mercy sakes, just go away.