R Owners, how much did you pay for yours?

Stw said:

Lets keep this civil guys..Please!!... We all have the "Ignore " feature..so use it as you see fit..other wise unless someones posts constitute personal attacks/or just insulting/rude... then I feel members can posts their opinions freely here....

Everyone knows Marks opinions ..so if you see a post from him you have your choice to read it..or not...

So lets keep it bike related...

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It would be easier to rename this thread 'Another ranting by Mark"

Stw said:

Lets keep this civil guys..Please!!... We all have the "Ignore " feature..so use it as you see fit..other wise unless someones posts constitute personal attacks/or just insulting/rude... then I feel members can posts their opinions freely here....

Everyone knows Marks opinions ..so if you see a post from him you have your choice to read it..or not...

So lets keep it bike related...

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Did that a few days ago.

Is there any way to totally delete when people post ? It still shows up as a "Hidden" message when he posts. Any way to not even show that more than just clicking ignore ?

Thanks !

NOLA

NOLA said:

Did that a few days ago.

Is there any way to totally delete when people post ? It still shows up as a "Hidden" message when he posts. Any way to not even show that more than just clicking ignore ?

Thanks !

NOLA

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No sir...

Just to throw a little objectivity (and so mark is prepared when he comes to the "dark side"). I posted the issues I experienced with my 2013 HP4. It's not perfect but acceptable for me.

False neutrals will drive someone insane. I overcome them by telling my bike to do what I ....... want. But if a person isn't assertive with the shifting, they may have issues. Especially while new and / or on the track (g forces affecting shifting in corners).

On the 2014 the issue with the combo switches should be resolved. But I've had the rhs replaced under warranty and the lhs is waiting till scheduled maintenance in 2014. BMW believes they've solved it with the newest manufacturer since if one goes out, they replace both.

"Loctite" translates to German about as well as it does to Italian. I've got a rattle that's definitely loctite related but don't feel like searching for myself. The dealer is going to find it next service.

The grass isn't greener on any side. Just a different patch of grass. I, personally, like my patch of grass. I even love the headlights. Or rather I love when someone who knows nothing about the bike realizes the asymmetry continues down the sides. The look is unique and I love it. I love the bike, issues and all. If you don't love your bike, quit bullshitting and buy what you will love.

Trauma said:

Not easy to change the plugs either, but what else do you have to do in the winter? Mark - 2 hours - WHO CARES?. As for the melting, fogging, loose bolts, VERY rare. My dealer has never seen them. Turn signal issues were fixed with a wire. The sprocket change is a matter of opinion, but Ducati covered it. Why do you care about a manual if you don't like spending 2 hours working on your bike? Lastly, Ducati offered 3 seats, no other manufacturer does, that's why it came with the stock so you could choose. You should list all the Pros if you are listing cons, only fair.

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pros

looks fantastic

Kuroshio said:

Just to throw a little objectivity (and so mark is prepared when he comes to the "dark side"). I posted the issues I experienced with my 2013 HP4. It's not perfect but acceptable for me.

False neutrals will drive someone insane. I overcome them by telling my bike to do what I ....... want. But if a person isn't assertive with the shifting, they may have issues. Especially while new and / or on the track (g forces affecting shifting in corners).

On the 2014 the issue with the combo switches should be resolved. But I've had the rhs replaced under warranty and the lhs is waiting till scheduled maintenance in 2014. BMW believes they've solved it with the newest manufacturer since if one goes out, they replace both.

"Loctite" translates to German about as well as it does to Italian. I've got a rattle that's definitely loctite related but don't feel like searching for myself. The dealer is going to find it next service.

The grass isn't greener on any side. Just a different patch of grass. I, personally, like my patch of grass. I even love the headlights. Or rather I love when someone who knows nothing about the bike realizes the asymmetry continues down the sides. The look is unique and I love it. I love the bike, issues and all. If you don't love your bike, quit bullshitting and buy what you will love.

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soon my man i am 3rd on the list

2 hours working on your bike? Lastly, Ducati offered 3 seats, no other manufacturer does, that's why it came with the stock so you could choose. You should list all the Pros if you are listing cons, only fair. [/QUOTE]


ducati offered 1 seat the other 2 you could buy thats not an offer. 2 hours when you have only 2 days in the summer time is a big deal. contrary to popular belief i actually have to work for my toys.

mark419ny said:

2 hours working on your bike? Lastly, Ducati offered 3 seats, no other manufacturer does, that's why it came with the stock so you could choose. You should list all the Pros if you are listing cons, only fair.

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ducati offered 1 seat the other 2 you could buy thats not an offer. 2 hours when you have only 2 days in the summer time is a big deal. contrary to popular belief i actually have to work for my toys.[/QUOTE]

As do I. It took me 3 hours to install an RG tail tidy (one of the first ones 6/2012), and loved every minute of it. This was the wrong bike for you. Take a picture of it, hang it in your garage, and sell the bike. That way will will have your only "Pro", and get rid of the Cons.

Mark do a quick Google search and see if you can find a bike that has no issues .
The bad news is there isn't . Maybe motorcycles are not for you .

Your complaints are laughable . I loved the windscreen complaint that was my favourite .

This thread has degenerated into something utterly pathetic.

*** NEWS FLASH *** There is NO perfect bike.

I mean, we can pretend there is... we can aspire to build/own/ride one... but it's about as real as Santa Clause, Leprechauns, and Hobbits.

Every bike will have its pros and cons. The reviews out there try to distill them down for you. At the end of the day their editors pressure them to choose the "best", and they will do so. The most expensive bike is not always the "best". But the "best" is only the "best" in the eyes of the beholder (because now we are in subjective territory).

There is a nearly intangible aspect of character that I love about exotic bikes. As others here have said - it will drive you insane; it will take special care and feeding; etc - but when you are on it and twisting your wrist with both fear and joy in your heart, you will know why you go through it all.

For anyone bitching and moaning about price and durability here, all I can assume is that you have not owned many bikes, and certainly not exotic ones. Try owning an MV Agusta some time and then get back to us. MV owners are not shy about the things they have go through (melting radiator fans were always my favorite - oh and temperatures of 250F!) but we always took it in stride because the joy of an MV was unparalleled.

Every bike is different. Some are very tame and predictable (most Jap bikes fall into this category), neither quirky nor exceptional - but performant. Some are full of quirks, character and "flaws" but pay you back in major ways on the other side of the bell curve.

One final note: To compare things is human. Stack ranking is the next logical expression of comparison, but it doesn't mean there should only be a single stack. In other words trying to stack rank bikes in "best" descending order is a fallacy. Compare them each on objective terms, such as features, HP, weight, etc, and they will all sort different. How it all comes to together, and which facets dominate others, is a very personal choice.

Trying to view bikes via a single stack rank is trying to view the world through a very small keyhole.

I would be curious to learn about Mark's experience and expertise. Afterall, if we are to be graced by his persistent contributions, it is only natural to wish to better understand the untapped knowledge to which we now have seemingly perpetual access. To what extent does this experience reach? I unfortunately have a feeling that if he considers spending two hours working on his bike every 3,000 miles both an inconvenience and a design flaw, he most likely hasn't put much effort or time into testing various offerings - but perhaps I'm mistaken and he has infact conducted enough comparison assessments to make outlandish condensed statements such as that the Panigale is not the "best" bike.

Mark, you seem eager to interject your opinions no matter the relevance (or lack thereof) they hold to the topic at hand; would you care to enlighten us on the comparison tests you have conducted, your explanation of what it means to be the best bike, and a brief synopsis correlating your comparison assessments to the conclusion you have drawn on the Panigale?

Trauma said:

Not easy to change the plugs either, but what else do you have to do in the winter? Mark - 2 hours - WHO CARES?. As for the melting, fogging, loose bolts, VERY rare. My dealer has never seen them. Turn signal issues were fixed with a wire. The sprocket change is a matter of opinion, but Ducati covered it. Why do you care about a manual if you don't like spending 2 hours working on your bike? Lastly, Ducati offered 3 seats, no other manufacturer does, that's why it came with the stock so you could choose. You should list all the Pros if you are listing cons, only fair.

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Posts like these is why your under friends on my profile !!!!

I agree with you 10000%

Mark,

You're not actually making the Panigale look bad... you're making yourself look bad with the type of posts you make. I think it's a good thing you speak up and post about the problems you experienced, but it's crazy you assume everyone else has the same issues. You're essentially telling everyone with a 1199 that even if their bike has been problem free, they shouldn't enjoy it and they should considered it flawed because of the problems YOU experienced.

Lol, hope your HP4 is problem-free or I guess you'll be forced to tell every HP4 owner their bike is crap, not worth the money, and they shouldn't get much enjoyment out of it.

I would like to think Ducati monitors this forum, so it's good for owners to provide feedback on things they like and don't like. Just look at the new Corvette Stingray... it's vastly improved over the C6 because GM listened to all the complaints on the Vette forums. But it's hard to say you're providing constructive criticism... it's reads more like you're trolling which lessens the impact of what you have to say.

mark419ny said:

surely you cant be serious. i know there are subtle differences which 99.9 % on this forum couldnt use or tell me how it makes a difference. all you r guys how many times have you adjusted the swing arm. better yet did you even know you could adjust the swing arm. I love this forum i really do i will have to post more than i do. get all your panties in a bunch cause the panigale is the 3rd best bike out. here have a tissue.

that being said i would have bought the R if it were out when i got the S because i love the tank

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Guess my R which is the "3rd best bike out" will just have to do.

So you are a part of the .1% that can use that special HP4 "competition" to its full extent?

I will be sure to use that ignore feature from now on for the guys who take the time to whine on a Ducati forum constantly about their Ducati even when it's been established that you will be going to the BMW...

My 5 year old daughter complains less...

I m not the only one that says it either

https://twitter.com/nickyhayden/status/392981673240842240

Agreed . It is now detrimental to the forum and to future new members seeking genuine advice .
The rest of us are just sick of it .

None of these latter posts are even remotely related to the topic and probably of even less interest than most thread drifts.

Remember that insulting each other is a no-no.

Mark, we're all aware of your love/hate for the 1199, I'm good with that. But all this is really not needed and apparently no one appreciates it. I think it's also pretty much established that the majority of members really don't care.

You really don't need posts ad nauseum about how big a piece of junk the 1199 is..............some may already know, the vast majority probably never will and will have problem free and happy ownership experiences.
Chris

I think this is a good time to post a link to the IGNORE option.

Anyone that frequents public internet forums knows that sometimes people rub each other the wrong way, it's easier because being on a forum is kind of detached from real contact.

I highly recommend using the IGNORE option (link below on how to do it). This way if you have a person that genuinely bothers or annoys you can choose to set them on ignore and voila, the problem is gone.

http://ducati1199.com/new-users/14954-ignore-option-your-friend.html

zvez said:

I think this is a good time to post a link to the IGNORE option.

Anyone that frequents public internet forums knows that sometimes people rub each other the wrong way, it's easier because being on a forum is kind of detached from real contact.

I highly recommend using the IGNORE option (link below on how to do it). This way if you have a person that genuinely bothers or annoys you can choose to set them on ignore and voila, the problem is gone.

http://ducati1199.com/new-users/14954-ignore-option-your-friend.html

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The diversion in this thread began in post #10 when Mark yet again interjected discussion of a BMW product into a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with BMW. This issue no longer gravitates around his love/hate relationship with the Panigale, but with his intentional efforts to agitate the community, as evidenced by the bolded statement above.

The ignore option is not an acceptable alternative and I simply refuse to implement it. Advising the good-standing members of this forum to adjust their reading preferences to cater to the limited few who are determined to devalue the forum is illogical and will eventually degrade the quality of the content within this forum. Do not expect members to do the job of a moderator; either take care of the problem for the community or give up your position to someone who cares enough to act.

The ignore option is certainly an acceptable alternative. Absolutely it's your right to refuse to use the ignore option. We're adults here and up to you, Mark and I have spoken about this. He is by no means the only person doing the name calling etc.

This forum has done rather well since moderators were instituted here. We're very light in use of moderation as the bulk of members agreed light moderation was the desired standard back when we started. If at some point it appears the consensus of the active members is for more aggressive moderation we will certainly cross that bridge as needed.

This forum has weathered far worse instances of abuse (cough* frosty cough*) and still seems to struggle on.

I'll let the other mods chime in as they fit as I speak only for me and my interpretation of moderation as it has been here.

Absolutely I will step aside as moderator anytime the board members feel I'm not doing an adequate job. I think I could still manage to live with myself.

Duck41 said:

The diversion in this thread began in post #10 when Mark yet again interjected discussion of a BMW product into a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with BMW. This issue no longer gravitates around his love/hate relationship with the Panigale, but with his intentional efforts to agitate the community, as evidenced by the bolded statement above.

The ignore option is not an acceptable alternative and I simply refuse to implement it. Advising the good-standing members of this forum to adjust their reading preferences to cater to the limited few who are determined to devalue the forum is illogical and will eventually degrade the quality of the content within this forum. Do not expect members to do the job of a moderator; either take care of the problem for the community or give up your position to someone who cares enough to act.

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